iOS 12 and planned obsolescence

[Feenician]

In WWDC, when Craig introduced how they peak CPU usage "instantly" peaks in iOS12, to give you better scrolling (faster performance), does that also mean it does not time slice between apps anymore and instead slows down all other running apps just to draw performance attention to the front-most only while its open?

Basically having the total reverse of how Apple previously did it.

Having better performance is always good, but it looks like it now no longer if across all running apps..

Only the front most app, get all the performance increase. So, its no longer balanced.. Compare that to IOS 11, where CPU was time slicing.

It doesn’t just apply to scrolling, though that was the example given. The idea is that the kernel scheduler knows what requires CPU resource in user space as it occurs. For the iPhone that’s the GUI of the foremost app, plus any of the types of background threads. For the iPad that’s up to three GUIs, plus any background threads. Each and all of them will be serviced more quickly by a kernel that’s now more responsive to demand, rather than responding to demand some time after the fact.

 

[Radon87000]

Ok. That's valid. As we have agreed earlier, acceptable is subjective. I personally can't understand Apple considering some performances acceptable, but that's a different thing.
I tried a 6+. The user told me that it was too slow. It was on iOS 11.3.1. I tried it, and for me, it was unbearable. Then again, keep in mind one thing: I am used to a 6s on iOS 9 and a 7+ on iOS 10. My expectations are possibly higher. But that's the entire point of this thread.

Anyone who used the iPhone 6 Plus on iOS 8 will never say it's okay on iOS 11. Probably the user who says so got the phone when it was running iOS 9 or later so he never got to know what iOS 8 performed like. The iPhone 6 on iOS 8 was as fast as my iPhone X on iOS 12. It just got wrecked by Apple's feature overload and stronger CPU generations. You know people blame Intel for stagnating the PC CPU industry with incremental updates but this also resulted in a 2600K from years ago still performing admirably today. That's incredible value. If this innovation comes at a cost of wrecking older CPUs every 2 years I don't want it. Hopefully Apple runs into a wall as that insane pace of increase with the A series chips won't continue forever. I think it will by the time it reaches 7700K performance as the A12 is rumoured to be just 10% faster than A11. This CPU innovation is one massive planned obsolescence strategy for older hardware.

 

[I7guy]

Anyone who used the iPhone 6 Plus on iOS 8 will never say it's okay on iOS 11. Probably the user who says so got the phone when it was running iOS 9 or later so he never got to know what iOS 8 performed like. The iPhone 6 on iOS 8 was as fast as my iPhone X on iOS 12. It just got wrecked by Apple's feature overload and stronger CPU generations. You know people blame Intel for stagnating the PC CPU industry with incremental updates but this also resulted in a 2600K from years ago still performing admirably today. That's incredible value. If this innovation comes at a cost of wrecking older CPUs every 2 years I don't want it. Hopefully Apple runs into a wall as that insane pace of increase with the A series chips won't continue forever. I think it will by the time it reaches 7700K performance as the A12 is rumoured to be just 10% faster than A11. This CPU innovation is one massive planned obsolescence strategy for older hardware.

I was around for ios 8 and I’m sorry to say it was a disaster. That some found it to be the greatest things since sliced bread and others found it to be a disaster is nothing new under the sun. All I know is my 5s, 6s, 6s+ and 7 are all great in 11.4.1.

 

[Radon87000]

I was around for ios 8 and I’m sorry to say it was a disaster. That some found it to be the greatest things since sliced bread and others found it to be a disaster is nothing new under the sun. All I know is my 5s, 6s, 6s+ and 7 are all great in 11.4.1.

iPhone 6 was the fastest on ios 8. It never recovered its original performance. There has never been an increase in speed if you compare an iPhone X running ios 12, an iPhone 6 running ios 8, an iPhone 5 running ios 6. The moment the phone is updated its one slowdown after another. I am never going to get over how Apple completely ruined the home button on ios 11 either.

 

[I7guy]

iPhone 6 was the fastest on ios 8. It never recovered its original performance. There has never been an increase in speed if you compare an iPhone X running ios 12, an iPhone 6 running ios 8, an iPhone 5 running ios 6. The moment the phone is updated its one slowdown after another. I am never going to get over how Apple completely ruined the home button on ios 11 either.

We don’t agree and that’s okay. Different strokes for different folks.

As far as the home button, there was a bug in iOS 10’that was corrected in iOS 11. It’s akin to saying Apple ruined the iPhone after the fixed the no animation bug.

 

[Radon87000]

We don’t agree and that’s okay. Different strokes for different folks.

Unless Apple allows downgrades and fixes the slowdown on older devices we will never agree. The 6 is absolutely unusable on iOS 11. I could open the YouTube app twice over on my X by the time it loads once on an iPhone 6. That's how bad things are. Its even slower than a Moto G 2016. And before people yell security its on the July security patch.

s far as the home button, there was a bug in iOS 10’that was corrected in iOS 11. It’s akin to saying Apple ruined the iPhone after the fixed the no animation bug.

I don't believe it was a bug considering the fact it conveniently got fixed right after iPhone X released. 15 months of beta testing iOS 10 which in comparison to 11 ran like a dream and we had like 6 betas of iOS 10.3.3 and Apple didn't fix a glaring bug like this? I am not buying it

 

[I7guy]

Unless Apple allows downgrades and fixes the slowdown on older devices we will never agree...

We dont have to agree. Apple does what it does and whether we agree or disagree, Apple is not going to change their policies.

I don't believe it was a bug considering the fact it conveniently got fixed right after iPhone X released. 15 months of beta testing iOS 10 which in comparison to 11 ran like a dream and we had like 6 betas of iOS 10.3.3 and Apple didn't fix a glaring bug like this? I am not buying it

I do believe it was a bug. People sometimes collectively scratch their heads in why stuff is not fixed for years. This is another example. And it was fixed a year later.

 

[d5aqoëp]

Here is an example of Google trying their hands at Planned Obsolescence with Pixel 1
https://www.neowin.net/news/google-...-the-first-generation-pixel#comment-598328808

Current trend is purposely break a feature on older gen device and keep fingers crossed that it is not noticed by mainstream media. This may get people to upgrade thinking something is wrong with their phone.

If things go South, just call it a simple bug.

So Google were absolutely not aware that Android P breaks Fast Charging on Pixel 1 devices? What was the 4 month beta cycle for?

The point is.. every company does it in some form or the other. Performance on older devices is adjusted so as to make newer devices feel more responsive. This is because the current CPU+GPU hardware is plenty fast for current level of UI demands.

 

[Radon87000]

Here is an example of Google trying their hands at Planned Obsolescence with Pixel 1
https://www.neowin.net/news/google-...-the-first-generation-pixel#comment-598328808

Current trend is purposely break a feature on older gen device and keep fingers crossed that it is not noticed by mainstream media. This may get people to upgrade thinking something is wrong with their phone.

If things go South, just call it a simple bug.

So Google were absolutely not aware that Android P breaks Fast Charging on Pixel 1 devices? What was the 4 month beta cycle for?

The point is.. every company does it in some form or the other. Performance on older devices is adjusted so as to make newer devices feel more responsive. This is because the current CPU+GPU hardware is plenty fast for current level of UI demands.

You can still downgrade from Android Pie if you want to unlike on iOS. Pixel users always beta test Android’s latest version and their users love beta testing. It’s the reason why Samsung waits a year to release Android Pie.