People keep updating either for the security improvements the newer iOS’ offer, because they are compulsive updaters, or insert whatever other random reason here. Some people only use their iPhones for their original purpose...phone calls and texts (crazy, I know). That’s the beauty of free choice. I often just agree with some of my more annoying family members who think their opinion is fact, makes them shut up and annoy someone else faster.
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iOS 12 and planned obsolescence
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People keep updating either for the security improvements the newer iOS’ offer, because they are compulsive updaters, or insert whatever other random reason here. Some people only use their iPhones for their original purpose...phone calls and texts (crazy, I know). That’s the beauty of free choice. I often just agree with some of my more annoying family members who think their opinion is fact, makes them shut up and annoy someone else faster.
The iPhone 6 running iOS 8 and iPhone 6 on iOS 11 are 2 completely different beasts. My 6 on iOS 8 was performing like my X on iOS 12. That’s the extent of performance decline. The battery life is horrible.I can confidently say that apart from the 8 series and X no iPhone is getting good battery life on 11. Just not worth updating iOS nowadays unless it’s an outlier like iOS 12.
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So many review of iOS 12 with a common theme and yet people will deny the slowdown.
https://mashable.com/2018/06/25/ios-12-public-beta-preview-hands-on
“Historically, the worst thing about updating your iPhone or iPad to the latest version of iOS is that it almost invariably operates slower. Whether it's an older processor that can't keep up or an insufficient amount of RAM, new updates often slow old hardware to the point where you're worse off, no matter how many new features there may be.”
“After watching virtually ever iOS 11 update run straight into a wall, over and over and over again, it's great to see Apple tightening the nuts and bolts of its largest platform instead of resting on its laurels while its main competitor, Android, leaps ahead.”
https://mashable.com/2018/06/25/ios-12-public-beta-preview-hands-on
“Historically, the worst thing about updating your iPhone or iPad to the latest version of iOS is that it almost invariably operates slower. Whether it's an older processor that can't keep up or an insufficient amount of RAM, new updates often slow old hardware to the point where you're worse off, no matter how many new features there may be.”
“After watching virtually ever iOS 11 update run straight into a wall, over and over and over again, it's great to see Apple tightening the nuts and bolts of its largest platform instead of resting on its laurels while its main competitor, Android, leaps ahead.”
In my opinion and experience, people update because Apple nags them, almost invariably (when we are talking about the ones who aren't tech savvy, which is the majority). Many later regret it upon seeing performance and battery life issues.
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That's acceptable. I know exactly how much my devices last in every single situation (what to expect, on average, with my iPhone, iPad and iPod Touch). I know when I take a battery hit. I can't tolerate slowdowns. I notice them and they bother me, so I don't update.
So? I can find plenty more reviews with this common theme. All videos and reviews mirror my personal experience.
Rule of thumb- iOS updates with a few outliers always slow down the phone.
This is absolutely not the case. I’ve been using iPhones since the 3G model and the slow down you’re talking about is noticeable only with some OS releases after 3-4 years in the product lifecycle, which is way after most people have already upgraded their devices as per a typical 2 years contract.
Rule of thumb it’s always bS articles designed to catch pageviews from the enormous market of Apple haters that just want something “authoritative” to “prove” their friends iPhones suck.
There are no updates on Android for the most part.
Android doesn’t have any security with practically everybody using outdated versions with known security problems, and nobody talks about it...
When there are android updates, it’s almost universially bad and causes grave problems in large amounts of users, nobody reports.
“Tech” reporting these days is a travestie and it’s dead. They are liars and write whatever Samsung/Microsoft/Google pays them to write.
Here's a 2 minute Twitter search
Why don't they report on this?
Are these people fake?
One answer: MONEY
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Not even true since a long time, just now from Reddit:
Funny thing is that Android fanboys are already there, at the r/Apple subreddit DOWNVOTING this, yet if there is someone reporting a problem, they will be downvoting and having an Apple hate party in the comment section.
It's no surprise that Anti-Apple news SELLS, doesn't matter the veracity and honesty of the news.
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Funny, my pops is running iOS 11.4.whatever on his 5s and he's totally happy with it.
And don't say it's "because Apple forced it", because it had to be me to steal his phone and update it, because he just presses "home".
Meanwhile, there's absolutely no Android from 2013 running the latest version, they are all out there running versions of Android with KNOWN security vulnerabilities from the Android OS and the Linux kernel (and other various subsystems) and no one barks (because no one that even knows what's at stake would be using them).
Can you compare the best Android from 2013 with Android Marshmallow to the 5s with iOS 11.4?
No, you can't.
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Oh you screwed up his phoneRule of thumb it’s always bS articles designed to catch pageviews from the enormous market of Apple haters that just want something “authoritative” to “prove” their friends iPhones suck.
There are no updates on Android for the most part.
Android doesn’t have any security with practically everybody using outdated versions with known security problems, and nobody talks about it...
When there are android updates, it’s almost universially bad and causes grave problems in large amounts of users, nobody reports.
“Tech” reporting these days is a travestie and it’s dead. They are liars and write whatever Samsung/Microsoft/Google pays them to write.
Here's a 2 minute Twitter search
Why don't they report on this?
Are these people fake?
One answer: MONEY
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Not even true since a long time, just now from Reddit:
Funny thing is that Android fanboys are already there, at the r/Apple subreddit DOWNVOTING this, yet if there is someone reporting a problem, they will be downvoting and having an Apple hate party in the comment section.
It's no surprise that Anti-Apple news SELLS, doesn't matter the veracity and honesty of the news.
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Funny, my pops is running iOS 11.4.whatever on his 5s and he's totally happy with it.
And don't say it's "because Apple forced it", because it had to be me to steal his phone and update it, because he just presses "home".
Meanwhile, there's absolutely no Android from 2013 running the latest version, they are all out there running versions of Android with KNOWN security vulnerabilities from the Android OS and the Linux kernel (and other various subsystems) and no one barks (because no one that even knows what's at stake would be using them).
Can you compare the best Android from 2013 with Android Marshmallow to the 5s with iOS 11.4?
No, you can't.
(Jk).As I said, if he doesn't care, he will not notice. And as I said, I notice. I know exactly how much should my iPhone or iPad last (I use the iPad far more than the iPhone) and I know how should it perform. Any variations and I notice.
That's why I don't update. I also recommend family members not to update, too, and they agree, because they have seen how updated devices work. Every single device in my household is not updated, and several versions behind. But, everything works flawlessly.
Rule of thumb it’s always bS articles designed to catch pageviews from the enormous market of Apple haters that just want something “authoritative” to “prove” their friends iPhones suck.
There are no updates on Android for the most part.
Android doesn’t have any security with practically everybody using outdated versions with known security problems, and nobody talks about it...
When there are android updates, it’s almost universially bad and causes grave problems in large amounts of users, nobody reports.
“Tech” reporting these days is a travestie and it’s dead. They are liars and write whatever Samsung/Microsoft/Google pays them to write.
Here's a 2 minute Twitter search
Why don't they report on this?
Are these people fake?
One answer: MONEY
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Not even true since a long time, just now from Reddit:
Those complaints are irrelevant because you can downgrade Android versions. Android Lollipop was running like crap on my Nexus 7. Battery life halved and stutters in the widget screen increased. It would give iOS 11 a run for its money. I downgraded back to KitKat and everything became fine.
On the other hand you have iOS 11. 2 day old news
https://9to5mac.com/2018/07/08/ios-11-4-battery-drain-iphone/
"My iPhone 6 was working perfectly fine until I updated to iOS 11.4 and ever since I did that my battery is draining rapidly even without me using it at all. I used to go a full day without charging it now it may last half a day.
I am just wondering if something got turned on with this new update that I have to turn off to save battery life. It is just weird I have not done anything other than update the iOS and now this happening."
"When I look at my battery performance, it shows that the personal hotspot on my phone is being used, though I have never turned it on. I have to keep charging my iPhone every 2-3 hours now."
"My iPhone 6s has the same issue after updated to iOS 11.4. I charged it up to 100%, rebooted it then let it stand by for 4 hours, the battery indicator dropped to 40%. It has been 3 days since I updated to iOS 11.4 and this issue happened every day."
We have a 33 page discussion on Apple's support forums which has got to be embarrassing for one of the final versions of iOS 11. A close review of this thread shows almost everyone affected by the issue has an iPhone 7 or lower. Coincidence? I don't think so. Whats worse is that unlike those Android tweets you posted, these users have no way to downgrade back to a stable version
"Just got off the phone with a senior advisor. Absolutely no help. He told me it was the battery and I need to replace it.
I had an advisor check out my phone and he determined it was not the battery. I have reset my phone to a new phone. The same issue. I asked this senior advisor to check out this support group and he wouldn't. I also asked him to check with the engineers to find out when they were going to come up with a fix and he told me, all I had to do was change that battery and if I wouldn't do that or reset my phone to a new phone then he couldn't help me. I guess it's time for a new brand of phone. Sick of paying outrages prices for something that doesn't work."
Well DUH iOS 12 made his phone much better because iOS 11 literally brought my iPhone 6 to a grinding halt. There was no way to go but up.
iOS auto downloads the update in the background after a few weeks unless your phone is completely out of storage and when you are least expecting it, that dialog of iOS update installation in 10 seconds pops up and if you weren't paying attention and tap "Install" its curtains. I had to download a tvOS beta profile to force the device to stop auto downloading it on WiFi. If Apple wasn't forcing users to update, why is the beta profile even needed?
Apple Support refuses to provide any support if they find out you are on an older iOS version. The latest apps like GRID are not compatible with iOS 10. There isn't even a RED warning sign in the release notes that performance may vary on updating.
Yes I have Nexus 5 from 2013 which is absolutely comparable to my iPhone 6. Not only is it comparable it runs faster outside the world of benchmarks. It runs an outdated Android version but is lightning fast, lasts decent for a worne out battery and still gets access to all the latest apps from Google which would have needed a system update on iOS.
You see, you keep moaning about vulnerabilities which mean jack squat to me if the device performance is compromised. I have been running on outdated iOS 10 with vulnerabilities for over a year. Have yet to be infected. I am running Android Marshmallow on the Nexus 5. Have yet to be infected. I am running a several year old Windows installation and am yet to be infected.
OTOH whats more noticeable is the blazing fast performance and 1 week battery life which is simply impossible to get on iOS 11. I think the tradeoff for security vs performance is not worth it in my experience.
Its like the PC games from 2018 nowadays. Ultra vs High graphics settings, you barely see a difference, whats more noticeable is the FPS counter which halves. Lower settings make sense.
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You can't devine a problem from the number of google search hits or discussion pages. With hundreds of millions of idevices, people have always reported various experiences across various releases and devices. 33 pages of discussion items out of hundreds of millions of iphones is insignificant to say every person has every problem reported in those threads.
And if you want to downgrade your android phone to an even older android release with more security holes than the current version. Feel free to do so. That to me is not bettering your digital life. But YMMV.
The person I was quoting was extrapolating the same thing out of Android tweets. I merely did the same for iOS. As I posted earlier I don’t find it a coincidence that no one on an 8 or X was affected. Even more proof Apple doesn’t give a damn about older phones.
And in my opinion, security is meaningless if the phone just isn’t up to speed. So many reviews of iOS 12 mention their devices being rescued from the dead, what’s the point of security if that was what they were reduced to.
I remember back in 2005 or so people used to install Norton on Windows for maximum security and in those days, it used to slow the PC to a crawl. Jokes were made on how Norton itself is a bigger virus than the one it’s protecting from. It’s the same thing here.
See with common sense I can avoid getting hacked but I can’t solve the slowdown issue. So of course downgrades are a better solution.
It’s been over a year now and my iPad has zero slowdown and zero battery drain issue. 1 week battery life which is more than what I get for an Air 2 on iOS 11 which sputters our in 2-3 days. I don’t even want to know what would happen if I upgraded my Pro to 11.
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Two people extrapolating data from the number of hits on a web search reminds me of an expression from my coding and testing days: garbage in, garbage out.
Security may be meaningless to you, but because there is a lot of activity and much r&d devoted to it, your digital life is much safer. It is not a theoretical goal. I personally don't care if you leave your doors unlocked, car key in the car, social security number is your password, etc, that's all on you. But I like getting updates that help secure my digital life and not regress it. But having said that, I have not had any issues with any final release of the yearly ios cycle. ios 11.4.1. Looks to be a winner.
Not surprising, all sorts of experiences across hardware and ios releases.
Good luck if your phone is stolen and a graybox-like device is used to hack into your phone because you didn't really care about security.
And yet the news about battery drain has made headlines on Apple news sites. Not every issue makes it into the news.
Security updates are pointless if they slow a device down. In fact the main reason, antiviruses were getting a bad name a decade ago was because they were slowing down the computers (without affecting the benchmarks I might add). You visit AV-Test and now you will find a complete section for performance impact of each AV product which is taken into account before awarding a rating.All the security in the world is useless if you cant use the damn phone. I do not find trading 1 week battery life for 3 days battery life a worthy tradeoff for security.
More to the title of this thread I find it interesting the negligible amount of complaints regarding ios 11 from those using a X or an 8.
Which Apple news sites?
Those s___ sites that are ALWAYS s___ on Apple for the pleasure of Apple haters?
Nobody takes those sites seriously, unless people that want to read that even if it's fake.
If they slow a device down.
On iOS, they don't, this is not Android.
You are basically saying that security updates are pointless on Android, okay.
There's no Anti-Virus on iOS.
That's why the companies that make those BS tests, like the one you posted, Zymperium or something, make up security problems on iOS to fool people that are misinformed.
New about Bigfoot and Loch Ness make headlines occasionally as well.
I want to clarify “if” I had to pick between a slow secure or fast insecure phone, a slow secure phone 24x7. That is if I had to pick.
@TimmyCook Clearly Apple can do no wrong. Anyone who disagrees with Apple is an Apple hater/liar and an Android fanboy and should switch to Android ASAP.
Also Android does not slow down. It cant slow down because you choose whether you want to update or downgrade and there are no meaningful disadvantages to downgrade.
@I7guy
True but one is vsible on my phone and millions of others. The other isn't.
I would pick speed over security. Because I buy devices to enjoy them. Not to fantasize about what if scenarios which would occur if I tried to play with fire. On the off chance I would lose my phone, I have to tolerate a painful loading screen everyday and have my battery life halved so that Apple can get even more money via battery replacement. No thank you. Apple can keep their iOS 11 and "performance enhancements" and "power management".
Also Android does not slow down. It cant slow down because you choose whether you want to update or downgrade and there are no meaningful disadvantages to downgrade.
@I7guy
True but one is vsible on my phone and millions of others. The other isn't.
I would pick speed over security. Because I buy devices to enjoy them. Not to fantasize about what if scenarios which would occur if I tried to play with fire. On the off chance I would lose my phone, I have to tolerate a painful loading screen everyday and have my battery life halved so that Apple can get even more money via battery replacement. No thank you. Apple can keep their iOS 11 and "performance enhancements" and "power management".
Also those sites need to make up a fight between systems.
If they just went out and wrote "iOS is better, there's nothing to see here, want to find out which phone is the best for you? Go to an Apple store and ask the sales clerk". What would happen?
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They do.
They'll be using a phone with security vulnerabilities that are known and admitted by the manufacturer, and even fixed.
So you would rather have malware to steal money from your bank account than a 0.1 seconds slow down?
Interesting!
No hyperbole in here at all. Nothing is black or white; there are shades of grey.
That people have their own preferences and enough products should exist in the market place to satisfy ones requirements should be no surprise.
Justin pick the product that suits you:
- one with no lag
- is downgrade-able
- has the best camera
- longest support
- incremental security updates, etc
You can make up the categories.
It isn't black or white (the device is fast if not updated and absolute garbage if updated). I agree. But, the device has huge chances of being slower (the degree to which that bothers you or me differs, but it does slow down), and the actual security implications are non-existent. There never was a widespread infection on iOS.
Give me a potentially insecure but blazingly fast (because, slowdowns bother me - as I said, your mileage may
vary - and risk of infection is minimal) rather than a device that is theoretically secure, but with bugs and slowdowns, and decreased battery life.
There is a choice within Apple. Get a device and keep it in its original version. There you go. Perfect solution. Or almost perfect. You will have to tolerate app incompatibility. That sucks, I have always said it. But I'll tolerate it.
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I am a serial updater and have really not been burned. It always is the same thoe of cycle. The release in September matures over time and by June the release is the golden release.
Of course staying on the same release is an option in the arsenal of different options.
I can't tell you if final releases of newer devices match performance in newer devices (I can't tell you if iOS 11.4 equals, say, 8.4 in an Air 2) but I can tell you an iPod Touch 5G is horrible on iOS 9.3.5 compared to iOS 6.0 (or any iOS 6 version, mine is in 6.0) and I can tell you an iPod Touch 4G on iOS 6.1.6 (latest) is horrible compared to mine on iOS 5.1.1. It can't even stream a radio because it crashes. After a reboot and with no apps open. Yes, it is THAT bad.
A 6s on iOS 11 is slower than mine on iOS 9. Yes, not unbearable; yes, it worked "fine" but it was slower and I can see it. I don't know whether battery life is the same or not because I didn't test it.
This correlates with my experience: