iOS 12 and planned obsolescence

[Radon87000]

Also I don’t want this innovation forced on me by Apple. I really couldn’t care less about Memojis and the iMessage improvements on emojis they keep coming up with. I haven’t used a single AR app or a single Animoji for nearly a year now yet it’s there on the phone taking needless processing power.

I use my phone for basic social networking, transport apps, some emails and professional work and basic games to kill time at the docs. It would be nice if Apple can manage to not slow down basic tasks while bloating up iOS but that’s now what’s happening. I can’t recall a single time in the last few years where it has been this refreshing to not have performance reduced on a newer version. It’s sad it probably going to be short lived though.

 

[gaanee]

If Apple didn't add these new features then people will complain about Apple not innovating anymore and switch to Android or even Windows (if it was still there)... and iOS 12 would be called iOS 7.9 or something.
People like to explore new features and changes when it comes to user interface otherwise it soon gets boring over the years like what happened with Windows XP.

So Apple (or even any other software company) has 2 options - either don't provide software updates for older devices or provide updates which may not run perfectly smooth as the original one (without new features) on older devices.

 

[I7guy]

Not necessarily. In my experience, my computers don't slow with age. I do spend a lot on high end components though. This same computer in the hands of some people I know wont last 3-4 years without slowing down.

I prefer the Android approach where staying on an older version is better than a newer version with comprmises
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I don't think Android is in a terrible situation at all. There is all kinds of choices for people based on their requirements. If updates are a priority, there is a phone for that. If hardware is a priority there is a phone for that. If budget is a priority there is a phone for that.

The reason Android keeps getting called out for fragmentation is because the vast majority of it is running on budget phones although the amount of users on flagship phones is still very high. People get what they pay for and no one expects those budget devices to be updated more than once although Google is trying to sort it out as well. The vast majority of people on the other side of the globe cant afford an iPhone

Delayed updates are a double edged sword as although you get to enjoy it much later than Google intended, you get a stable version of the OS along with the manufacturer extras customised for it. The Pixel line has tons of issues on Android updates just like iOS except there the ability to downgrade to a stable version is a life saver.

iOS users feel updates are a big deal but on Android it just isn't the case as almost all stocks apps are decoupled from the system which reduces the importance of it. Google assistant rolled out to all phones dated back till 2014 almost silently in the background as an example, something which would require an OS update on iOS.

Google could come out with a Pixel phone with rapid updates at every budget price point as also the flagships yet it still wont top the sales charts like some here expect because people just don't care.

If I were offered a choice of 3 years of software updates with thee ability to downgrade and no slowdowns, I would take that over 6 years of forced updates with no downgrade option.

What's with the hypotheticals. You have that today. Samsung is your phone, android is your o/s. And bonus points it can automatically send your contact photos.

Also I don’t want this innovation forced on me by Apple. I really couldn’t care less about Memojis and the iMessage improvements on emojis they keep coming up with. I haven’t used a single AR app or a single Animoji for nearly a year now yet it’s there on the phone taking needless processing power.

I use my phone for basic social networking, transport apps, some emails and professional work and basic games to kill time at the docs. It would be nice if Apple can manage to not slow down basic tasks while bloating up iOS but that’s now what’s happening. I can’t recall a single time in the last few years where it has been this refreshing to not have performance reduced on a newer version. It’s sad it probably going to be short lived though.

You don't have a choice, your can grouse about it until the cows come home, but you get the full treatment of 'mojis on the iphone x. Doesn't matter if you use the app or not. Can you tell me exactly what basic tasks apple has slowed down on the iphone x?

My phones(5s,6s, 6s+) are basically lag free with things being as slow or fast as they should be.

 

[Radon87000]

What's with the hypotheticals. You have that today. Samsung is your phone, android is your o/s. And bonus points it can automatically send your contact photos.

I was merely pointing out why the Android way is not necessarily terrible. I bet that if Apple allowed version switching on the fly like Android, their chart wouldn't look any better than Android. As it is 20% of iOS users are staying on an older version of iOS and this number is increasing every year. iOS 11 adoption rate was also slower than iOS 10. All this suggests to me people are quickly catching on the disadvantages of a one size fits all policy.

1. If I had a Samsung phone, the first thing I would do would be to replace every Samsung app with a Google app as default like on my iPhone. Google is the best in software and imho is better than Apple nowadays. And since this bug doesn't affect Google app it wont affect me.

2. I am not on T-Mobile so this bug wouldn't affect me regardless

3. I would rather have my photos sent to my contacts which consist of family, friends and associates than have my iPhone be throttled without me knowing about it and not even showing up on Apple official battery diags, or being sold a phone when the company's internal testing already shows a grave manufacturing defect(Touch Disease).

Also as I have proven in my previous posts iOS apps have also leaked data and age of the news does not counter this point. For all we know, it could be happening right now

You don't have a choice, your can grouse about it until the cows come home, but you get the full treatment of 'mojis on the iphone x. Doesn't matter if you use the app or not. Can you tell me exactly what basic tasks apple has slowed down on the iphone x?

My phones(5s,6s, 6s+) are basically lag free with things being as slow or fast as they should be.

iOS 12 is an outlier but till iOS 11 all of my iPhones and iPads other than my X are slower. Load times have increased and there is input lag in Safari. iPhone 6 cant keep more than 4 apps in memory. Stuttering animations are norm rather than an exception. All I want is a phone which doesn't take more than a second to open a simple settings menu or more than 5-6 seconds to open Uber or WhatsApp. I cant find a single third party app which doesn't lag on these devices.

Your point about benchmaks is also easily refuted as not only can they be manipulated some of the benchmarks don't even show an improvement and according to your logic since 3/15 items in the video were the same speed there is no slowdown, following a similar line of thinking, since all benchmarks haven't improved the phone isn't faster.

 

[FFR]

3. I would rather have my photos sent to my contacts which consist of family, friends and associates than have my iPhone be throttled without me knowing about it and not even showing up on Apple official battery diags, or being sold a phone when the company's internal testing already shows a grave manufacturing defect

Talk about bias.

 

[mrochester]

3. I would rather have my photos sent to my contacts which consist of family, friends and associates than have my iPhone be throttled without me knowing about it and not even showing up on Apple official battery diags, or being sold a phone when the company's internal testing already shows a grave manufacturing defect(Touch Disease).

I wouldn’t.

 

[Radon87000]

I wouldn’t.

We will just agree to disagree. I don't view that bug as anything sinister. Happened with Alexa and will happen with any electronic. iOS apps have also leaked data. But the important part is it can be avoided. I have an issue with problems which cannot be avoided. If the iPhone had a downgrade solution, this thread wouldn't exist and I wouldn't be here now.

 

[mrochester]

We will just agree to disagree. I don't view that bug as anything sinister. Happened with Alexa and will happen with any electronic. iOS apps have also leaked data. But the important part is it can be avoided. I have an issue with problems which cannot be avoided. If the iPhone had a downgrade solution, this thread wouldn't exist and I wouldn't be here now.

Being Android rather than iOS can’t be avoided though.

 

[Radon87000]

Being Android rather than iOS can’t be avoided though.

I do not find Android in any way inferior to iOS

 

[mrochester]

Except that's not an Android flaw. Its a flaw with a Samsung app.

No what I meant is Android is a poor substitute for iOS.

 

[Radon87000]

No what I meant is Android is a poor substitute for iOS.

Yeah I had edited my post above. I do not find that to be the case. I find it on par with iOS, superior in some things and inferior in others. The only problem with Android is the lack of a proper ecosystem of tablets and watches. As an OS its solid. Most of the prominent issues iOS users find with it are a double edged sword just like the issues Android users have with iOS.

 

[FFR]

I wouldn’t.

Who would?

 

[I7guy]

I was merely pointing out why the Android way is not necessarily terrible. I bet that if Apple allowed version switching on the fly like Android, their chart wouldn't look any better than Android. As it is 20% of iOS users are staying on an older version of iOS and this number is increasing every year. iOS 11 adoption rate was also slower than iOS 10. All this suggests to me people are quickly catching on the disadvantages of a one size fits all policy.

1. If I had a Samsung phone, the first thing I would do would be to replace every Samsung app with a Google app as default like on my iPhone. Google is the best in software and imho is better than Apple nowadays. And since this bug doesn't affect Google app it wont affect me.

2. I am not on T-Mobile so this bug wouldn't affect me regardless

3. I would rather have my photos sent to my contacts which consist of family, friends and associates than have my iPhone be throttled without me knowing about it and not even showing up on Apple official battery diags, or being sold a phone when the company's internal testing already shows a grave manufacturing defect(Touch Disease).

The Ford Pinto had a grave manufacturing defect. The Note 7 had a grave manfacturing defect. Samsung washers that explode have a grave manufacturing defect. The iphone 6 had no such manufacturing defect, other than to be placed in the rear pocket of jeans.

As far as IOS adoption rates, I'll listen to apple on that one. As far as everything else. There are choices galore out there. Find one that suits you. Apple and IOS may not be your best fit. But watch out for Samsung mobile devices.

Also as I have proven in my previous posts iOS apps have also leaked data and age of the news does not counter this point. For all we know, it could be happening right now

iOS 12 is an outlier but till iOS 11 all of my iPhones and iPads other than my X are slower. Load times have increased and there is input lag in Safari. iPhone 6 cant keep more than 4 apps in memory. Stuttering animations are norm rather than an exception. All I want is a phone which doesn't take more than a second to open a simple settings menu or more than 5-6 seconds to open Uber or WhatsApp. I cant find a single third party app which doesn't lag on these devices.

Your point about benchmaks is also easily refuted as not only can they be manipulated some of the benchmarks don't even show an improvement and according to your logic since 3/15 items in the video were the same speed there is no slowdown, following a similar line of thinking, since all benchmarks haven't improved the phone isn't faster.

Actually you have not proven anything except thrown up some hypothesis and substituted for a low bar of proof. The only proof of the "planned" part of obsolescence would come from apple.

Your point about benchmarks being manipulated, applies to youtube videos as well. So if we discount both of those, then I believe apple when it says they don't engage in the "planned" part of obsolescence. Slower or faster is up to interpretation as you noted. I agree with that.

 

[FeliApple]

The Ford Pinto had a grave manufacturing defect. The Note 7 had a grave manfacturing defect. Samsung washers that explode have a grave manufacturing defect. The iphone 6 had no such manufacturing defect, other than to be placed in the rear pocket of jeans.

As far as IOS adoption rates, I'll listen to apple on that one. As far as everything else. There are choices galore out there. Find one that suits you. Apple and IOS may not be your best fit. But watch out for Samsung mobile devices.


Actually you have not proven anything except thrown up some hypothesis and substituted for a low bar of proof. The only proof of the "planned" part of obsolescence would come from apple.

Your point about benchmarks being manipulated, applies to youtube videos as well. So if we discount both of those, then I believe apple when it says they don't engage in the "planned" part of obsolescence. Slower or faster is up to interpretation as you noted. I agree with that.

What do you mean "I'll listen to Apple on adoption rates"? Apple literally nags everyone to update, doesn't allow downgrading, and forces people to update if a restore has to be done, or repairs have to be done.
Apple has no saying on that.

 

[I7guy]

What do you mean "I'll listen to Apple on adoption rates"? Apple literally nags everyone to update, doesn't allow downgrading, and forces people to update if a restore has to be done, or repairs have to be done.
Apple has no saying on that.

Apple has more of a say as to whether adoption rates are successful than a poster on a tech site.

 

[Radon87000]

Apple has more of a say as to whether adoption rates are successful than a poster on a tech site.

Apple reported the stats. They were worse than iOS 10.20% is a significant number considering the amount of nagging Apple does to update.

 

[I7guy]

Apple reported the stats. They were worse than iOS 10.20% is a significant number considering the amount of nagging Apple does to update.

But there could be more of an absolute number. Percentages don’t tell the entire story.

 

[Radon87000]

But there could be more of an absolute number. Percentages don’t tell the entire story.

Percentages help to show a trend. Its decreasing every year. That wasn't the case till a few years ago. I bet iOS 12 adoption will be higher than iOS 11.

 

[I7guy]

Percentages help to show a trend. Its decreasing every year. That wasn't the case till a few years ago. I bet iOS 12 adoption will be higher than iOS 11.

So do absolute numbers, which we will never now. So unless you know exactly how apple calculated the number the percentage could be lower but the base could be bigger and these numbers may not mean what you think they mean. However, this still has nothing to do with the "planned" part of obsolescence.

 

[Mascots]

Apple reported the stats. They were worse than iOS 10.20% is a significant number considering the amount of nagging Apple does to update.

There is a much larger pool of iOS devices than ever - even with the drop in percentages, iOS 11 is still more widespread than any other version of iOS.

Or at least, this is how the statistics for my apps play out. On top of it, while people aren't updating as immediately as before, they're also not sticking to old versions as long: supporting iOS 10, iOS 11 is around 95% of my audience which is very surprising given iOS 12 isn't diluting those stats immensely yet.

Percentages show a trend, but that trend can mean things as bad as less people updating or good as more devices in circulation available to be updated (especially given iOS support is spanning to devices back so far).

 

[FeliApple]

Apple has more of a say as to whether adoption rates are successful than a poster on a tech site.

I sustain Radon's argument. Adoption percentages are dropping.
[doublepost=1531015319][/doublepost]What's rare, though, is that how don't people realize (even more so the ones who have older devices) that iOS updates decrease performance, and why don't they stop updating? That is something I will never understand. One or two updates might be tolerable, but if you update as far as it can go, it is unbearable. Why don't people learn, and why are adoption rates still high? That's something that baffles me.

 

[I7guy]

I sustain Radon's argument. Adoption percentages are dropping.
[doublepost=1531015319][/doublepost]What's rare, though, is that how don't people realize (even more so the ones who have older devices) that iOS updates decrease performance, and why don't they stop updating? That is something I will never understand. One or two updates might be tolerable, but if you update as far as it can go, it is unbearable. Why don't people learn, and why are adoption rates still high? That's something that baffles me.

Because people do what they do, isnthe best answer I can come up. Maybe some people have not seen their devices get slower?

As far as adoption rates, one can take away what they want from the numbers.

 

[FeliApple]

Because people do what they do, isnthe best answer I can come up. Maybe some people have not seen their devices get slower?

As far as adoption rates, one can take away what they want from the numbers.

Disagree on adoption numbers, but agree on the 'people do what they do' part. As a funny thing, a family member who discussed with me and disagreed on my approach on not updating, finally said I was right after seeing his iPhone 5s being destroyed by iOS 11. Maybe they will eventually realize.

 

[I7guy]

Disagree on adoption numbers, but agree on the 'people do what they do' part. As a funny thing, a family member who discussed with me and disagreed on my approach on not updating, finally said I was right after seeing his iPhone 5s being destroyed by iOS 11. Maybe they will eventually realize.

Can you elaborate on the “destroy” part on the 5s. My 5s was running the iOS 11.4.1 just fine until I went to the iOS 12 beta.

 

[FeliApple]

Can you elaborate on the “destroy” part on the 5s. My 5s was running the iOS 11.4.1 just fine until I went to the iOS 12 beta.

His words: battery life was massively decreased, crashes and lag everywhere. (I have seen something like this on an iPod Touch 5G running iOS 9). I have one on iOS 6, so I know what it is to have it work properly, and, I have a 5s on iOS 8.