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Dishonest post is dishonest, these times are Ars Technica times with the lowest common denominator (iPhone 5s).

Later versions of iOS 11 made it better.



No, it doesn’t take 2 seconds with iOS 11, considering the iPhone 6 is faster in the CPU and much faster in the SSD, in fact, it might be even faster than most Android today.
First of all 2 vs 1.3 seconds is within a margin of error which is always there in these tests. Also 1.3 seconds to open a basic control panel is pathetic. It should take 0.5 seconds or lesser.
Secondly the iPhone 6 SOC is barely more powerful than the on inside a 5s but has to push more pixels and a bigger screen. This is even more evident in the iPhone 6 Plus .

Thirdly it seems then that iOS 11.4.1 actually may have made the problem worse because this is a video of my iPhone 6 on iOS 11.4.1 opening settings and taking 2 seconds. I timed it with a stopwatch considering the technicalities people engage in here and it took 1.6 seconds and this does not include the slight inevitable delay before I start the stopwatch. This is also after opening the settings menu once before initiating the test. If I let the phone sit idle for 8-9 hours and launch it, it takes even more time.

https://www.videosprout.com/video?id=453d4a21-d4b3-4838-ac04-b3948abeedcd

Disclaimer- On Microsoft Edge the video skips from 2 seconds to 7 seconds for some reason and its working fine on Chrome on my iPhone and on laptop so check the video times to be certain.

Lastly, the iPhone 5s running ios 11 still cant beat the Galaxy S5 on an outdated insecure KitKat so no chance of beating Androids of today. The same 5S on iOS 7 was demolishing the Galaxy S5 in this test. Now it just rubs shoulders with it

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He’s right.

If you don’t like iOS, get Android.

You’ll love it, Android P is much better than iOS 12, here’s the list of what’s EVEN better on Android:
For one Android P can be downgraded to Android O at any time. That automatically makes it superior to anything iOS 12 offers
 
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Well I don’t like being accused of being a liar.

I think more than accusations people here have only been asking you to let it slide and just use your devices the way you deem fit. You (seem to) want some sort of validation in the way you use your devices.

Again, just let it go, man. That's Apple. If someday we aren't too happy, we will switch. Till then, we are fine with what we have.
 
First of all 2 vs 1.3 seconds is within a margin of error which is always there in these tests. Also 1.3 seconds to open a basic control panel is pathetic. It should take 0.5 seconds or lesser.
Secondly the iPhone 6 SOC is barely more powerful than the on inside a 5s but has to push more pixels and a bigger screen. This is even more evident in the iPhone 6 Plus .

Thirdly it seems then that iOS 11.4.1 actually may have made the problem worse because this is a video of my iPhone 6 on iOS 11.4.1 opening settings and taking 2 seconds. I timed it with a stopwatch considering the technicalities people engage in here and it took 1.6 seconds and this does not include the slight inevitable delay before I start the stopwatch. This is also after opening the settings menu once before initiating the test. If I let the phone sit idle for 8-9 hours and launch it, it takes even more time.

https://www.videosprout.com/video?id=453d4a21-d4b3-4838-ac04-b3948abeedcd

Disclaimer- On Microsoft Edge the video skips from 2 seconds to 7 seconds for some reason and its working fine on Chrome on my iPhone and on laptop so check the video times to be certain.

Lastly, the iPhone 5s running ios 11 still cant beat the Galaxy S5 on an outdated insecure KitKat so no chance of beating Androids of today. The same 5S on iOS 7 was demolishing the Galaxy S5 in this test. Now it just rubs shoulders with
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For one Android P can be downgraded to Android O at any time. That automatically makes it superior to anything iOS 12 offers
Your iPhone 6 has issues, sorry to say
 
Your iPhone 6 has issues, sorry to say

I already got it checked out at an Apple Store and some other iPhone 6 at work perform the same albeit 2 are on 11.3 and 1 is on 11.4. I will see if I can grab one of them tomorrow to post another video as proof here. This is what I mean by planned obsolescence.
 
For one Android P can be downgraded to Android O at any time. That automatically makes it superior to anything iOS 12 offers

Yeah, call me when Android has decent file management, universal clipboard, decent security and updates, and it's cheaper than iPhones and better hardware.

Just for starts...

And BTW, if you like Android so much, why aren't you in Android Rumors?

Yeah... I know... you need dat validation from iOS users like a few of us...

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You just don't seem to let it go.

Check his post history...
 
Yeah, call me when Android has decent file management, universal clipboard, decent security and updates, and it's cheaper than iPhones and better hardware.

Just for starts...

And BTW, if you like Android so much, why aren't you in Android Rumors?

Yeah... I know... you need dat validation from iOS users like a few of us...

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Check his post history...
That was more of a tongue in cheek post as you were saying Android P does nothing better than iOS 12 which is false. Both iOS 12 and Android each have unique features the other does not. File management is better on Android as the file system is similar to that of a computer. I can sort my files in folders based on projects. A form Universal Clipboard is being implemented on Android by Microsoft.

https://www.theverge.com/2017/5/11/15616480/microsoft-windows-10-cloud-clipboard-feature

I find iPhone advantages to be- better quality apps, is smoother on launch day version of the OS, integration with various devices, iMessage and top of the line hardware when Apple is not screwing with the customer. Previously Samsung had the best displays and Apple had the best CPU but now that Apple is using Samsung displays, that niggle is ironed out. There is stuff on my 2013 Android my iPhone still can't do and also vice versa.

However if I were stuck in the middle of a desert I would want my OS to be Android rather than iOS because of flexibility. You still can't set apps as default in iOS a feature Android has had for a decade. There is no PiP. There is no Instant Apps to load apps without installing them. You can't try out innovative apps which won't meet the requirements of a store. Android does not compel you to be on the latest version of Android to get the newest features. Google Assistant is better than Siri and you can change the default voice Assistant. Android is more like a real computer than iOS.

Also I am already on Android forums as well. I read iPhone reviews on Android websites and Android reviews on Apple news sites for the most unbiased perspective. I am planning on getting a flagship Android and an iPhone X Plus this year
 
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Do us a favour, do not buy an iOS device. :p

But seriously, part of any Apple experience is understanding that Apple wants users to have a certain experience. They are not about just cramming up devices with features and options that users want. PiP on a phone? On the iPad it would make sense. But on an already small phone screen? Please explain why?

Mostly, consumers just somehow want feature parity. That feature disparity is part of the experience between different devices is something they refuse to acknowledge and understand.
 
That was more of a tongue in cheek post as you were saying Android P does nothing better than iOS 12 which is false. Both iOS 12 and Android each have unique features the other does not.

I don't think that.

Android is worse than iOS in any way.

If Android has something better, it's just a couple of weeks of code from Apple to catch up and do it better.

For Android? They just can't because the way they made Android was unorganized from people who were unexperienced.

File management is better on Android as the file system is similar to that of a computer.

File management "simulator to that of a computer" as you call it, is currently the most rudimentary file management we have today.

I can sort my files in folders based on projects.

And you can do that on iOS too.

What's the difficulty?

A form Universal Clipboard is being implemented on Android by Microsoft.

https://www.theverge.com/2017/5/11/15616480/microsoft-windows-10-cloud-clipboard-feature

1. It needs to be open to work.

2. It's not interoperable with Google devices (e.g. if you have an Android and a Chromebook)

3. Most complex data fails to "clip".

Previously Samsung had the best displays and Apple had the best CPU but now that Apple is using Samsung displays, that niggle is ironed out.

Yes, because Samsung uses it's own parts no matter what, and Apple just buys the best they can, or if it doesn't exist, they make it themselves.

There is stuff on my 2013 Android my iPhone still can't do and also vice versa.

For iOS, it's pretty much one App away, and the things that aren't, are serious security risks that the added functionality isn't worth it.

You still can't set apps as default in iOS a feature Android has had for a decade.

So what? Google has to do that that way. Apple doesn't.

There is no PiP.

LOL? There is PIP on iOS, for a long time... way before Android.

As expected, you don't have an iOS device, or a clue about the OS.

There is no Instant Apps to load apps without installing them.

Yes, and it doesn't work really that way, and nobody is using that anyway.

You can't try out innovative apps which won't meet the requirements of a store.

Like piracy?

There's Safari for that.

Android does not compel you to be on the latest version of Android to get the newest features.

But you need to get it to get the latest features, the difference is that most OEM's don't update, and when they update, it's an huge mess.

Google Assistant is better than Siri and you can change the default voice Assistant.

Google Assistant is an huge POS, you don't have SiriKit functionality, it's not expansible, and certainly you don't have Siri Shortcuts there.

Android is more like a real computer than iOS.

In what way? Malware and crypto-lockers.
 
Android is more like a real computer than iOS.

That’s not a good thing. It’s a big part of why I find Android a bad OS, it tries too hard to be an old-fashioned computer OS rather than a modern smartphone OS the way iOS is.
 
I don't think that.

Android is worse than iOS in any way.

If Android has something better, it's just a couple of weeks of code from Apple to catch up and do it better.

For Android? They just can't because the way they made Android was unorganized from people who were unexperienced.

But Apple doesn't do it which is the more important part. I want Google Assistant as he default voice Assistant. I want to set Google apps as default. I want all Reddit links to open directly in Apollo and not the default Reddit app. No way to do that. You cannot take advantage of Microsoft's Timeline on iOS or recieve SMS messages or phone call notifications on Windows.

Apple needs an operating system update to update simple apps like iBooks, Safari and iMessage. The equivalents on Google need a simple app update. Chrome is updated almost every week or so.

You clearly know nothing about Android. The beauty of Android is the variety. No 2 phones are the same. Samsung's Experience skin has features which stock Android would take years to implement. People do not care about updates on Android otherwise the Pixel would have broken sales charts by now.


File management "simulator to that of a computer" as you call it, is currently the most rudimentary file management we have today.

I need that to get real work done. I have an iPad Pro and aside from emails and basic office stuff the file management is worst because I cannot organise my files or put custom file formats not supported by iOS in it. Android allows me to transfer proprietary custom file formats my work needs.


And you can do that on iOS too.

What's the difficulty?
No you can't. It doesn't support proprietary file formats. On Android I can connect to my PC, open the file system in Windows. Put the files by creating folders wherever I want and I can access them on my mobile later.


1. It needs to be open to work.

2. It's not interoperable with Google devices (e.g. if you have an Android and a Chromebook)

3. Most complex data fails to "clip".
Well iPad needs Bluetooth enabled for universal clipboard to work. No one uses chrome books anyway. It's all about Windows. I give Google 10 years max before they dump chromebooks like they did Android on tablets and Microsoft did to Windows RT.



For iOS, it's pretty much one App away, and the things that aren't, are serious security risks that the added functionality isn't worth it.
No it's not. You can't use apps as a substitute for system features. Google Pixel is a secure phone and does stuff iPhones cannot. I can recieve SMS messages and phone call notifications on Windows. No way to do that on iOS. You cannot use Split View on phones on iOS. There is no way to try out apps which break the App Store rules. You can only use what Apple wants you to use.

The keyboard on the Plus phone doesn't even have number key above the letters and there is no way to enable it or set another keyboard as default. This should all be basic stuff by now.

So what? Google has to do that that way. Apple doesn't.

Some of the countries I have visited, Apple Maps lacked basic navigation and Siri was complete crap compared to a Google Assistant yet there is no way to set the functional apps as default. Google does it that way because they recognise they are not the best at everything


LOL? There is PIP on iOS, for a long time... way before Android.

As expected, you don't have an iOS device, or a clue about the OS.

I am talking about the phones, not tablets. The Plus phone is 5.5 inches. The newer iPhone to be released this year is 6.5 inches even bigger than the Note 8. It definitely needs PiP.

Also Samsung skins have supported PiP since 2013 iirc.


Yes, and it doesn't work really that way, and nobody is using that anyway.
How do you know no one uses it?



Like piracy?

There's Safari for that.
I do not use it for piracy. It's either a blanket ban on innovation or innovation which comes with its fair share of disadvantages.



But you need to get it to get the latest features, the difference is that most OEM's don't update, and when they update, it's an huge mess.

All flagship Androids get updates for 2 years minimum and with Google increasing it to 3, this will only improve as time passes. With Project Treble being mandatory on Android P, OS updates will be even more irrelevant on Android an before.

Also have you checked the situation of iOS updates? We needs to reach the X.3 or X.4 update to get a functional operating system without battery drain or lag. Google also faces issues like this on Android. Samsung and he others simply wait till all bugs are ironed out which usually takes a year before updating. We do have carriers messing up the situation but I only ever buy my phones outright at full price.

I don't know about you but I would rather wait for a year and get a fully stable version of the OS than updates which break more than they fix. I am hearing reports of iPad Pro battery drain on iOS 11.4. Makes me even happier I have stayed on outdated iOS 10 till Apple comes out with a release which is faster and more stable. I am enjoying the stutter free experience and 1 week battery life.



Google Assistant is an huge POS, you don't have SiriKit functionality, it's not expansible, and certainly you don't have Siri Shortcuts there.
Siri does not even recognise my voice nowadays, it's that bad. Google Assistant is bang on all the time. And it's not even my accent. Alexa and Cortana also recognise my voice flawlessly.

Have you watched the demo of Assistant's conversation with a real life human? Lol Siri is demolished by Assistant. Siri doesn't even work in all Countries outside he US.



In what way? Malware and crypto-lockers.

You only get malware on Android if you were doing something you shouldn't be doing or trying shady apps. I keep hearing Windows is a malware infested mess and MacOS is beacon of perfection yet ironically my Windows installation on my MacBook which is 5 years old boots faster than High Sierra does. I can actually post a recording of this. Zero malware on any of my Androids or Windows and I have dabbled with custom ROMs and visual skins on both.

In my opinion if you are playing with fire, you deserve to get burnt.
 
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That’s not a good thing. It’s a big part of why I find Android a bad OS, it tries too hard to be an old-fashioned computer OS rather than a modern smartphone OS the way iOS is.

Android devs have realized that and have been backtracking every decision they have made in the past for a long time.

For example, for files, they have two APIs, one is like a traditional computer, the other one is like iOS. Overall, it’s a mess.

For background Apps, Google has been trying everything to go to iOS place.
 
That’s not a good thing. It’s a big part of why I find Android a bad OS, it tries too hard to be an old-fashioned computer OS rather than a modern smartphone OS the way iOS is.
Well I am an old fashioned guy. You won’t believe this but I still install an external/internal DVD drive on my PCs.
 
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Anyway I am not going to risk an infraction and suspension from the mods for going off topic so Timmey unless you have a counter for the iPhone 6 video I posted above don’t bother replying.
 
But Apple doesn't do it which is the more important part. I want Google Assistant as he default voice Assistant.

Again, Google HAS TO do it that way, because they don't sell their own devices.

I want to set Google apps as default. I want all Reddit links to open directly in Apollo and not the default Reddit app. No way to do that.

You can't do that on Android either!

You cannot take advantage of Microsoft's Timeline on iOS or recieve SMS messages or phone call notifications on Windows.

And I don't want my SMS and phone calls to go to a third party I don't trust.

Apple does that on iOS/macOS for a long time.

Apple needs an operating system update to update simple apps like iBooks, Safari and iMessage. The equivalents on Google need a simple app update. Chrome is updated almost every week or so.

Because they chose to be that way.

Or do you think they can't update their Apps through the AppStore?

Apple's iMovie, GaragaBand, that photos App thing, all update through the AppStore.

You clearly know nothing about Android. The beauty of Android is the variety. No 2 phones are the same. Samsung's Experience skin has features which stock Android would take years to implement. People do not care about updates on Android otherwise the Pixel would have broken sales charts by now.

That's fragmentation and it's the worst thing about Android.

I need that to get real work done. I have an iPad Pro and aside from emails and basic office stuff the file management is worst because I cannot organise my files or put custom file formats not supported by iOS in it. Android allows me to transfer proprietary custom file formats my work needs.

You CAN!

Just give me an example that you can do on Android, to allow me to prove you are wrong.

No you can't. It doesn't support proprietary file formats. On Android I can connect to my PC, open the file system in Windows. Put the files by creating folders wherever I want and I can access them on my mobile later.

Again, you are wrong, it's just BS, I'm going to prove you are wrong, as long as you give me a concrete example.

Well iPad needs Bluetooth enabled for universal clipboard to work. No one uses chrome books anyway. It's all about Windows. I give Google 10 years max before they dump chromebooks like they did Android on tablets and Microsoft did to Windows RT.

No, it just needs a network connection, can be through USB, Wifi, Bluetooth, any connection.

No it's not. You can't use apps as a substitute for system features. Google Pixel is a secure phone and does stuff iPhones cannot. I can recieve SMS messages and phone call notifications on Windows. No way to do that on iOS. You cannot use Split View on phones on iOS. There is no way to try out apps which break the App Store rules. You can only use what Apple wants you to use.

No, it's not a secure phone, with Apps on the Play Store, like every other Android phone, that steal your bank account money, it's not.

And there are ways to try out Apps which break the AppStore rules for a long time, you can upload them through Xcode, or you can use an Enterprise license for enterprise Apps.

It doesn't have a recent security mechanism, like FaceID. It has iPhone 6-era fingerprint reader, and on the worst place to put it...

But everyone knows what you are after.

The keyboard on the Plus phone doesn't even have number key above the letters and there is no way to enable it or set another keyboard as default. This should all be basic stuff by now.

It's called OPTIONS, it's not something that Apple can't do.

On iPad, there is a number key row.

Some of the countries I have visited, Apple Maps lacked basic navigation and Siri was complete crap compared to a Google Assistant yet there is no way to set the functional apps as default. Google does it that way because they recognise they are not the best at everything

We have Google Maps on iOS, then what?

In most countries, Google Assistant doesn't even exist!

I am talking about the phones, not tablets. The Plus phone is 5.5 inches. The newer iPhone to be released this year is 6.5 inches even bigger than the Note 8. It definitely needs PiP.

Also Samsung skins have supported PiP since 2013 iirc.

Yeah sure, I'm sure lots of people are using it...

The fact is that iOS has PIP, and Apple only needs to change

if iPad {
pip.enable()
}

to

if iPad || iPhone {
pip.enable()
}

Simple.

How do you know no one uses it?

Because there are practically no Instant Apps there.

Name one from a Forbes 100 company.

I do not use it for piracy. It's either a blanket ban on innovation or innovation which comes with its fair share of disadvantages.

Yeah, sure, I'm sure people don't use that for piracy.

All flagship Androids get updates for 2 years minimum and with Google increasing it to 3, this will only improve as time passes. With Project Treble being mandatory on Android P, OS updates will be even more irrelevant on Android an before.

Not true.

No Android OEM gives timely software updates, it's always with months or half years of delay. And they have been promissing "project treble" for 10 years now.

Google only gives you 2 years, that's a joke compared to Apple's 6.

Also have you checked the situation of iOS updates? We needs to reach the X.3 or X.4 update to get a functional operating system without battery drain or lag. Google also faces issues like this on Android. Samsung and he others simply wait till all bugs are ironed out which usually takes a year before updating. We do have carriers messing up the situation but I only ever buy my phones outright at full price.

That's not true, and Android software updates are always more problematic, just you don't see YouTubers suiciding their carrer to report that.

I don't know about you but I would rather wait for a year and get a fully stable version of the OS than updates which break more than they fix. I am hearing reports of iPad Pro battery drain on iOS 11.4. Makes me even happier I have stayed on outdated iOS 10 till Apple comes out with a release which is faster and more stable. I am enjoying the stutter free experience and 1 week battery life.

No.

Because the problems are even worse on Android.

There's a lot of people complaining everytime that Samsung and others update their OS's. And lots of problems.

Siri does not even recognise my voice nowadays, it's that bad. Google Assistant is bang on all the time. And it's not even my accent. Alexa and Cortana also recognise my voice flawlessly.

Then it's your voice's problem, because it recognizes mine, and English is not even my first language.

In fact, there's not even Google Assistant in my country, and there's Siri.

Have you watched the demo of Assistant's conversation with a real life human? Lol Siri is demolished by Assistant. Siri doesn't even work in all Countries outside he US.

Yes, and it's BS.

Can you do that with your phone? Of course you can't, because it was faked.

And Apple would never do that, no matter if they can or can't, it's inconsiderate for the person on the other side.

You only get malware on Android if you were doing something you shouldn't be doing or trying shady apps. I keep hearing Windows is a malware infested mess and MacOS is beacon of perfection yet ironically my Windows installation on my MacBook which is 5 years old boots faster than High Sierra does. I can actually post a recording of this. Zero malware on any of my Androids or Windows and I have dabbled with custom ROMs and visual skins on both.

No, there's malware on the PlayStore, and phones that come with malware pre-installed.

Imagine if this happened with iOS...

IMG_0592.jpg


Do you see your beloved YouTubers reporting about this?

No!

Not a single one!

Because they are all paid by Samsung.

In my opinion if you are playing with fire, you deserve to get burnt.

Are you feeling the heat?

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THe reason I said there is no point arguing Off topic is everything you see as a disadvantage, I see as an advantage and that's why people buy Samsung flagships. I will make a couple of points though.

I can setup third party apps as default on Androie including for Reddit. Android asks you specifically which app you would like to open with when you first run it

Google Assistant has a wider coverage than Siri. You should read up on what's happening on the other side of the globe.

Google does sell their own devices and if I want to I can set every non Google app as default on their phone.

Project Treble only came last year iirc. Problems are there on every update but do you want to deal with Google+Samsung skin issues or just Samsung's issues. I am hearing about 6 hour battery life on iPad Pro on iOS 12. I will stay outdated tHank you very much.

Apple's 6 years of updates are a disadvantage to me because in my personal experience, devices start to become unusable beyond 3 and if you do not update, device will be insecure and lack compatibility with latest apps.

Rogue apps have found their way in the App Store as well

The other stuff you posted, can do, should do, people can, no one uses,people won't . All I am seeing is can and should. What I am not seeing is "has done" and "will do". Your point about pre installed malware lacks proof unless you are talking about some third world Chinese phone.
 
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The "planned" part of obsolescence hasn't been proved in the last 769 posts and the last x years across the various threads. All the last few pages proved, are different people have different experiences across the spectrum of idevices. Apple and Android handle software updates differently. If either software systems is a sticking point for you, move on and don't make it so difficult for yourself. Aspects of a devices performance is measurable and can change over time even without updating the base software.

Some believe how fast an app opens is a measure of performance, others believe how a benchmark performs is a measure. There is no right answer. However, my opinion is if you find yourself complaining about a devices more than being content with its' use. Time to move on.
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Rogue apps have found their way in the App Store as well...
AT least my iphone has never sent out my photo library without my permission.

https://www.cnbc.com/2018/07/03/sam...ctures-to-contacts-without-users-knowing.html
 
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The "planned" part of obsolescence hasn't been proved in the last 769 posts and the last x years across the various threads. All the last few pages proved, are different people have different experiences across the spectrum of idevices. Apple and Android handle software updates differently. If either software systems is a sticking point for you, move on and don't make it so difficult for yourself. Aspects of a devices performance is measurable and can change over time even without updating the base software.

The evidence of planned obsolescence has already been posted in these pages. Phones don't magically slow down with no way to restore original performance and lack of transparency from Apple due to Throttlegate and Touch Disease isn't doing them any favours.

Evidence in cases like this is never conclusive without a shred of a doubt which is why we have difference verdicts for the same case using the same evidence in difference courts and the jury differs as well.



Some believe how fast an app opens is a measure of performance, others believe how a benchmark performs is a measure. There is no right answer. However, my opinion is if you find yourself complaining about a devices more than being content with its' use. Time to move on.
The benchmark does not reflect performance because by some of these metrics Apple's performance remains absolutely the same without any increase or decrease whatsoever. You mean to tell me that performance in iOS 9 in all builds was absolutely the same throughout as reflected by the scores


AT least my iphone has never sent out my photo library without my permission.



https://www.cnbc.com/2018/07/03/sam...ctures-to-contacts-without-users-knowing.html

Happens on both Android and iOS. At least that one was Samsung exclusive . Here is the latest news just 5 days old

https://appleinsider.com/articles/1...o-misconfigured-firebase-backends-report-says

And this
https://bgr.com/2017/02/07/iphone-security-vulnerable-apps/

And this

https://news.softpedia.com/news/ios-apps-leak-more-user-data-than-android-apps-509543.shtml

And this

SHOCKING! Malware on Apple's App Store.

https://us.norton.com/internetsecur...nfects-millions-of-apple-store-customers.html
 
The evidence of planned obsolescence has already been posted in these pages. Phones don't magically slow down with no way to restore original performance and lack of transparency from Apple due to Throttlegate and Touch Disease isn't doing them any favours.

Evidence in cases like this is never conclusive without a shred of a doubt which is why we have difference verdicts for the same case using the same evidence in difference courts and the jury differs as well.




The benchmark does not reflect performance because by some of these metrics Apple's performance remains absolutely the same without any increase or decrease whatsoever. You mean to tell me that performance in iOS 9 in all builds was absolutely the same throughout as reflected by the scores




Happens on both Android and iOS. At least that one was Samsung exclusive . Here is the latest news just 5 days old

https://appleinsider.com/articles/1...o-misconfigured-firebase-backends-report-says

And this
https://bgr.com/2017/02/07/iphone-security-vulnerable-apps/

And this

https://news.softpedia.com/news/ios-apps-leak-more-user-data-than-android-apps-509543.shtml

And this

SHOCKING! Malware on Apple's App Store.

https://us.norton.com/internetsecur...nfects-millions-of-apple-store-customers.html
The evidence of the "planned" part of obsolescence hasn't been proved. It's only been hypothesized. There is quite the difference. That hypothesis has morphed into a low bar proof.

And you quoted three links:
1. Link one has nothing to with the iphone or apple. It has to do with a misconfigured third party MDM. Nothing to do with Android.
2. The second link is two years old to start, which is three ios releases ago. So if you are on ios 9, your phone may be leaking more than ios 11 and ios 12. It's also nor remotely similar to Samsung, leaking photos, seemingly at will.
3. The third link addresses an issue across software development. Infected development platforms. This again is not iphone or apple. Apple cannot trap 100% of malicious apps out of the tens of millions in the app store. To apple's credit, it takes care of the issue as promptly as they can. One reason I hope the lawsuit(https://www.theverge.com/2018/6/20/...s-pepper-antitrust-lawsuit-standing-explainer) falls on it's face.

All in all, the "planned" part of obsolescence is not proved. The links you posted have nothing to do with ios randomly sending pictures to your contacts. Call me when IOS is in the news for that.
 
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The evidence of the "planned" part of obsolescence hasn't been proved. It's only been hypothesized. There is quite the difference. That hypothesis has morphed into a low bar proof.
That's what I am pointing out above. You don't see it as proof. I do and I am convinced by it because whats there in those videos is replicated on my phones. This happens in court as well. Appeals happen because evidence is never 100% conclusivee. So if someone loses a case that doesn't make it a hypothesis. If one wins the, appeal it still doesn't disprove the evidence isn't conclusive as if it wasn't there would be no 2 opinions on this.

And you quoted three links:
1. Link one has nothing to with the iphone or apple. It has to do with a misconfigured third party MDM. Nothing to do with Android.
2. The second link is two years old to start, which is three ios releases ago. So if you are on ios 9, your phone may be leaking more than ios 11 and ios 12. It's also nor remotely similar to Samsung, leaking photos, seemingly at will.
3. The third link addresses an issue across software development. Infected development platforms. This again is not iphone or apple. Apple cannot trap 100% of malicious apps out of the tens of millions in the app store. To apple's credit, it takes care of the issue as promptly as they can. One reason I hope the lawsuit(https://www.theverge.com/2018/6/20/...s-pepper-antitrust-lawsuit-standing-explainer) falls on it's face.

All in all, the "planned" part of obsolescence is not proved. The links you posted have nothing to do with android randomly sending pictures to your contacts. Call me when IOS is in the news for that.

The point of those links was that despite people claiming iOS is superior to Android in data protection and security, breaches have occurred. At least Samsung( note this is not Android's fault for Samsung's buggy app) was sending pictures to contacts. Who knows what kind of mischief those compromised Chinese apps were indulging in?

What do you mean second link is two years old? You didn't even open the link. Article was written a year ago in May.

"A security researcher discovered a flaw in some 76 App Store apps with more than 18 million downloads between them that would allow a malicious individual to capture certain data from the iPhone. "

The third link is from 2016 when iOS 10 was released and this is what it states.

"iOS apps leaked user data in over 130,000 operations

The biggest offender were iOS apps. Zscaler says it tracked 26 million transactions originating from iOS devices and their apps, of which 0.5 percent leaked user data, for a total of 130,000 operations."

I am not denying Android doesn't leak data or that the Play Store doesn't have rogue apps. But iOS is just as guilty. Its even worse with iOS because Apple vets every app which goes into the Store and is supposedly more stringent than Google yet their approval process was hoodwinked by malware
[doublepost=1530728626][/doublepost]https://wccftech.com/ios-apps-leak-data/

“1 in 50 iOS Apps Is Leaking Data to Third Parties,” Security Report Reveals

^^ Casee in point
 
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Beta 3 runs great on my iPhone 5s and iPhone 6....they feel fantastic on iOS 12 b3, more responsive and quicker than iOS 11 (especially the 5s)

Most apps open identically and the speed is more or less comparable to my iPhone 8 on iOS 12 b3, obviously not every 10th of a millisecond is there but its completely useable and functional on 5s and 6
 
If the rumours are correct and Apple's A Series chips are hitting a peak considering the 10% performance improvement, this should mean the slowdown should get less pronounced and disappear altogether like on computers if planned obsolescence isn't real and Apple has turned over a new leaf. Won't know until a few years pass by. So far my iPhone 7 on iOS 11 is slower so the effects haven't been visible yet.
 
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