I hope they peak. Soon. As you said, that would mean devices are faster - and supported - for more iOS updates than they currently are.
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iOS 12 and planned obsolescence
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You proved planned obsolescence to your satisfaction, not to mine. It bears repeating, the low bar of proof is now hypothesis. This is not a court of law and various benchmarks have proved apple doesn't slow down IOS.
That last report was over a year ago, probably ios 10 and early. Apple can't stop every malicious app just like android, but having one app store gives apple control to remove these apps expeditiously. Nor does this have anything to do with misconfigured MDM back-ends, man in the middle attacks. It does have something to do with unpatched vulnerabilities, of which apple of late has been on a tear to eliminate. And if you followed the article, it was suggesting these leaks are coming from the business sector, using wifi vulnerabilities, that has since been patched in ios 10.3.3. Which means the article is really a red-herring. But this still has little to do with a phone just sending photos randomly to your contacts.
There is no way all malicious apps out of tens of millions will ever be caught. But apple has been locking down the permissions in ios and if you give an app unneeded permissions, it's on you, not apple.
Let us know when IOS sends out photos randomly to contacts.
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Its likely to happen as they are approaching Intel and AMD in performance which is where they hit a wall
Benchmarks have been manipulated before and are not trustworthy. I used the court as a basis to show that not everyone is convinced by proof yet thee judgement still stands.
You also avoid a clear factor regarding the benchmarks. If Windows XP is upgraded to Windows 10 there is a definite slowdown according to the PC World article but why are benchmarks unchanged?
In 2030 my computer likely wont handle Windows without a slowdown. This is not hyperbole as you claimed earlier but its inevitable. The benchmarks will show no change indicating the computer always runs at full speed throughout its life.
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Benchmarks only reflect hardware performance and the benchmark software tests aspects of it and tells us the hardware has not slowed down. It cant tell us whether the software has slowed down.
Just like Apple cant eliminate vulnerabilities permanently its impossible to eliminate all bugs permanently from any software. Also those who were using Samsung messages specifically agreed to file manager access so according to your logic its on them for using Samsung's app and giving it access instead of using the stock Android messages app
You give Apple a free pass for that man in the middle and MDM attacks yet you hold Samsung responsible for T Mobile's RCS update which created that bug
"Some users are speculating that this issue has to do with the push of RCS messaging updates, including T-Mobile, which is the carrier for at least one of the affected phones. T-Mobile just issued its RCS update this week, starting with the Galaxy S7 and S7 Edge. "
""However, there were no hardware or software issues found to be relevant to this particular case. While there have been no known similar customer reports globally, we will continue to investigate this issue further," Samsung said."
If Apple is not responsible for data leaks on iOS using Firebase database, Samsung is not responsible for any bug caused due to RCS updates.
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Nothing is trustworthy then. If nothing is trustworthy, you still haven't proved the "planned" part of obsolescence, since there is no proof either way.
As far as the vulnerabilities part, Samsung send out photos, is in no way related to the configuration of third party software. Bad on Samsung. Apple gets a pass on MITM as it is an issue endemic to the internet; not Apple. This is one case where control of the software has it's advantages and it's shown the android model can produce some results that are less than optimal. Samsung should have some type of firewall or software safeguard to ensure things happen as they should. Doesn't bode well for android security.
Depends on what proof you desire. An explicit admission from Apple is never coming. Throttleegate and Touch Disease was as close as they came to admitting they intentionally slowed down older devices and the fact they hide defects from the public when it works to their advantage. When something slows down, people buy a new device.
Samsung has no control over what T Mobile does in its updates. Samsung is also not responsible for ensuring their messages app works with every possible app update with every app in the store. If Apple cant prevent data leaks with their walled garden, its doubly so for Samsung. People were using the Samsung app out of choice when the Android default app was available as an option. We have companies like Uber fingerprinting iPhones right under Apple's nose and Chinese malware on the storee and its "OH HORROR" for text messages being sent to contacts who are people you know already. Its happened with Alexa too. Bugs happen.
As I said iOS and Android are equally prone to data leaks and bugs. I would even go so far as to say the Pixel running the latest Android is as secure as an iPhone. So if security and bugs are a priority, Android customers know which phone to get.
The proof I desire is a smoking gun coming from apple management, given: a) the benchmarks didn't show a slow-down and b) apple management categorically denied this. I trust apple management than I do more than some random internet poster.
Samsung, shouldn't allow those updates then. This looks bad on Samsung and android. This is not a discussion about what happened in the past, we are talking June/July 2018. Deflecting that there were incidents in the past with IOS, for various reasons, doesn't make this issue with Samsung look any better in the publics' eyes.
The proof would be the internal documents that explicitly say 'make sure you write some code that slows down the older devices so we can encourage people to upgrade'. Without the evidence to show what Apple's intentions are, they are innocent of planned obsolescence until proven guilty.
A) That’s not saying much as Apple can manipulate benchmarks and even if they didn’t it’s still useless as by your own admission Windows 10 is slower than Windows XP but the benchmarks show they run the same.
I will continue to post this again and again. Benchmarks tell us whether the underlying hardware has slowed down. This happened in throttlegate where Geekbench scores were halved due to underclocking. They do not reflect the responsiveness of an OS.
If you run a particular benchmark on Linux and Windows results will come out the same but there is a vast difference in performance.
B) Asking Apple’s management on planned obsolescence is like asking a crook if he has swindled. With Touch Disease and Throttlegate, Apple has shown they have no issues hiding their actions behind obscure wordings instead of showing transparency.
C) As I said before if I were in charge of planned obsolescence I will ensure no traces are left behind so it’s unlikely you will find something at Apple although we did see something of the sort with Touch Disease.
Why does this look bad on Samsung and Android? Is everyone on T-Mobile? Did everyone on the planet receive an RCS update? Did something malicious happen? Will it look bad on iPhone if some cellular update in a small country somewhere messed up some apps?
Also Samsung cannot control T-Mobile updates.
Cellular updates cannot be denied.
Agree with your last point. Android isn’t perfect, nor is iOS. Both are equally buggy and secure. I have a problem with those who say Andorid is less secure and buggier than iOS. That may be true for skinned Android but definitely not for stock Android.
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That’s not what was claimed. Apple forces the newer versions of iOS to run on older devices despite knowing they will slow down and offers no solution to recover the performance.
The evidence you desire will never be found. We can only check Apple’s actions and put two and two together. Where is a smoke there is fire imo and I am not fooled by Apple one but.
It's very useful as it proves there is not "planned" in obsolescence. I believe apple, until they are guilty of manipulating benchmarks.
Benchmarks, like the javascript test, show a sub-system and gives a hint of real world performance. It's my opinion, most people wouldn't have even known about power management. And if benchmarks can be manipulated, here they are true. So either they are manipulated or not in all cases. Take your pick.
Not if you run browser benchmarks, database benchmarks, power benchmarks etc.
I trust apple in this regard that they could have handled things with power management better, weren't out to deceive the customer. I don't know what touch disease or throttlegate is.
I don't know what touch disease is, but the "planned" part of obsolescence has never been proved.
The samsung phone was directly responsible for this security breach. As to your second question, let's not deal in hyptheticals, provide a real example.
It looks bad on Samsung. You can post to the contrary till the cows come home, but in the public eye, this is being blamed squarely on Samsung.
The last I look at CVE, android had more severe red flags than IOS. So my conclusion by counting severe red flags, android was more vulnerable. It is also less secure as the ability to have a malicious app spread through side loading is high.
What do you think about Apple forcing newer versions of iOS if an issue arises and I have to restore, if I want to get service - in some cases - and Apple badgering to update through prompts?
I think it’s good otherwise you end up with many people not installing the latest software. And the latest version is nearly always better than the older one.
But that is a forced update. And I disagree. It's not better for the user. Reasons endlessly stated.
I disagree, it’s pretty much always better for the user. I think it being “forced” is much much better than the terrible situation Google has left Android in.
Performance and battery life issues everywhere aren't better for the user. Does it have benefits? Of course. For me, App compatibility being the largest. In my opinion, it's harmful, hence why I don't update, and hence why I'm disappointed at Apple's updating approach (doesn't allow downgrading, doesn't allow restoring to the version I'm in, prompts to update endlessly, support tells you to update all the time).
Hardly anyone gets performance or battery issues so it’s a net benefit for the vast majority of people.
I beg to differ. Update it enough times, and you'll get them. At least in every single case I have seen. Generally, my device is the one not updated, and someone I know provides his device for comparison. Every single time, my device (not updated) was faster.
Do you want to know - in my experience - the only improvement? Safari speeds. It's almost always faster in the updated device.
Not necessarily. In my experience, my computers don't slow with age. I do spend a lot on high end components though. This same computer in the hands of some people I know wont last 3-4 years without slowing down.
I prefer the Android approach where staying on an older version is better than a newer version with comprmises
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I don't think Android is in a terrible situation at all. There is all kinds of choices for people based on their requirements. If updates are a priority, there is a phone for that. If hardware is a priority there is a phone for that. If budget is a priority there is a phone for that.
The reason Android keeps getting called out for fragmentation is because the vast majority of it is running on budget phones although the amount of users on flagship phones is still very high. People get what they pay for and no one expects those budget devices to be updated more than once although Google is trying to sort it out as well. The vast majority of people on the other side of the globe cant afford an iPhone
Delayed updates are a double edged sword as although you get to enjoy it much later than Google intended, you get a stable version of the OS along with the manufacturer extras customised for it. The Pixel line has tons of issues on Android updates just like iOS except there the ability to downgrade to a stable version is a life saver.
iOS users feel updates are a big deal but on Android it just isn't the case as almost all stocks apps are decoupled from the system which reduces the importance of it. Google assistant rolled out to all phones dated back till 2014 almost silently in the background as an example, something which would require an OS update on iOS.
Google could come out with a Pixel phone with rapid updates at every budget price point as also the flagships yet it still wont top the sales charts like some here expect because people just don't care.
If I were offered a choice of 3 years of software updates with thee ability to downgrade and no slowdowns, I would take that over 6 years of forced updates with no downgrade option.
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