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iOS 12.x.x Speculation Thread [Merged]

Dwalls90 said:
Again, it's a beta. One should not expect complete functionality, nor using this software on your daily device. If GPS was broken in a public release, then I agree we'd surely see some media coverage on this.

Specifically regarding maps, I counter your argument with the fact that Apple Maps already gets you lost -- even with a perfectly functional GPS ;)
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LOL re Apple Maps (though I've really never had issues with it).

Re the public beta: we all know that people will not be using "secondary" devices for this beta. They're going all in to get the new features as fast as they can. If the stock app is broken, or Siri Shortcuts is not fully baked, no biggy. If a beta user has a house fire and no landline to call 911, much bigger deal. This problem seems to affect a fair number of AT&T users on Intel modems (T-mob, too?!?). I think that may be too much risk for Apple unless they get this fixed in a DP3 before releasing PB1.
 
Daremo said:
I agree. There's still some GPS issues. I would have to think that basic functionality like GPS needs to be fixed before a public beta is released. I'd be shocked if it comes out today as well.
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According to GPS issue thread, it seems most affected with this issue are iPhone models with Intel modem since we narrow it down maybe a fix soon
 
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MLVC said:
I think we'll see a DP3 before we see PB1.
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Daremo said:
I agree. There's still some GPS issues. I would have to think that basic functionality like GPS needs to be fixed before a public beta is released. I'd be shocked if it comes out today as well.
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JerTheGeek said:
With all the potentially major issues in beta 2, I actually think there's a decent chance Apple will release beta 3 on Monday and then the Public Beta next Wednesday or Thursday.
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Banglazed said:
According to GPS issue thread, it seems most affected with this issue are iPhone models with Intel modem since we narrow it down maybe a fix soon
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MLVC said:
That and the Siri issues in beta 2
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Apple has never released a beta 3 in less than 11 days from beta 2 since iOS 2 (for a major release), and that 11 day timeframe was an exception, not the rule, with most gaps between beta 2 and 3 being 14 - 21 days. Again, PB1 will not drop on same day as a DB, so that means we'd need to see DB3 by Wednesday of next week, or only 8 days after beta 2, to allow a PB release next Thursday. I highly doubt this will happen.

I still don't agree Apple owes any beta population a perfectly functioning version of iOS, but if they choose to make any quick fixes to the beta before the PB, I could see them releasing a revised DB2 (which they have historically done, even recently for WatchOS 5 Beta 1) and then PB a day or two after.

DP3 would then come the week of 7/9 (probably 7/10).
 
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Somehow I highly doubt Apple releases a public beta on "time" based on their announcement, when there are crippling bugs that they KNOW will inundate the genius bars with issues. I can easily see it being pushed to early July to make sure the show stoppers are fixed, or at the very least, and small "emergency" update for a beta 3 to fix the biggie first. GPS isn't just some app glitch, this is major functionality of the device, that can end in disastrous results. Beta or not, the lawyers will be very careful about clearing public software, even with warnings.
 
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Daremo said:
Somehow I highly doubt Apple releases a public beta on "time" based on their announcement, when there are crippling bugs that they KNOW will inundate the genius bars with issues. I can easily see it being pushed to early July to make sure the show stoppers are fixed, or at the very least, and small "emergency" update for a beta 3 to fix the biggie first. GPS isn't just some app glitch, this is major functionality of the device, that can end in disastrous results. Beta or not, the lawyers will be very careful about clearing public software, even with warnings.
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Hold on...Genius Bar with issues? Surely if your iOS device develops a significant problem on the Public Beta then you simply revert back to the latest iOS 11 software? Let’s not lose track of the fact that we are talking about beta software even if people are installing it on their main devices.
 
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jongriff said:
Hold on...Genius Bar with issues? Surely if your iOS device develops a significant problem on the Public Beta then you simply revert back to the latest iOS 11 software? Let’s not lose track of the fact that we are talking about beta software even if people are installing it on their main devices.
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Agreed. In fact, when booking a genius bar appointment, you are first advised to ensure you are on the latest software (which, would exclude betas of any sort).

If the mentality of the general public using the betas is they expect it to "just work", then I think they need to consider perhaps the beta cycle isn't for them.
 
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jongriff said:
Hold on...Genius Bar with issues? Surely if your iOS device develops a significant problem on the Public Beta then you simply revert back to the latest iOS 11 software? Let’s not lose track of the fact that we are talking about beta software even if people are installing it on their main devices.
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The Genius Bar will politely turn away anyone running a beta. That's their policy. But to your main point, many of the people installing the public beta will have zero idea on how to get back to 11.4 and, when they do, they will find that they have lost all their data because they did not do an encrypted, archived backup. That's a double disaster for Apple - the GPS issue on hundreds of thousands of devices and then lost data. My money says no way...
[doublepost=1529519947][/doublepost]Maybe we need to route this discussion to another thread. It is speculation about when the public beta will be released, but its kind of hijacking the general speculation.
 
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gwhizkids said:
The Genius Bar will politely turn away anyone running a beta. That's their policy. But to your main point, many of the people installing the public beta will have zero idea on how to get back to 11.4 and, when they do, they will find that they have lost all their data because they did not do an encrypted, archived backup. That's a double disaster for Apple - the GPS issue on hundreds of thousands of devices and then lost data. My money says no way...
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Although I entirely agree with your assertion that this scenario will play out countless times I’m afraid I can’t agree that Apple would be culpable. There are plenty of warnings and explanations about what beta software is (as well as reminders to back up to iTunes first) before you get your Public Beta profile.
 
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jongriff said:
Although I entirely agree with your assertion that this scenario will play out countless times I’m afraid I can’t agree that Apple would be culpable. There are plenty of warnings and explanations about what beta software is (as well as reminders to back up to iTunes first) before you get your Public Beta profile.
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I am an attorney and agree with you that they have qualified the h*ll out the betas. Don't think that that will help them in the court of public opinion, though, if GPS fails and someone drives off a cliff. Extreme example? Sure. But how many people did dumb things when Apple Maps first came out and had nonsense directions. Sheeple!
 
gwhizkids said:
The Genius Bar will politely turn away anyone running a beta. That's their policy. But to your main point, many of the people installing the public beta will have zero idea on how to get back to 11.4 and, when they do, they will find that they have lost all their data because they did not do an encrypted, archived backup. That's a double disaster for Apple - the GPS issue on hundreds of thousands of devices and then lost data. My money says no way...
[doublepost=1529519947][/doublepost]Maybe we need to route this discussion to another thread. It is speculation about when the public beta will be released, but its kind of hijacking the general speculation.
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I agree. My opinion is that the salient points (that have been mentioned by others already) are that the 1st Public Beta usually follows the 2nd Developer Beta, that it never gets released on a Friday and that Apple has said that it will come in June. I’m hoping this culminates in a release tomorrow but I’m expecting to be disappointed!
 
jongriff said:
I agree. My opinion is that the salient points (that have been mentioned by others already) are that the 1st Public Beta usually follows the 2nd Developer Beta, that it never gets released on a Friday and that Apple has said that it will come in June. I’m hoping this culminates in a release tomorrow but I’m expecting to be disappointed!
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I hope they get it fixed, too, or that its not as big a deal as it seems like it is. I'm sure Apple knows exactly how many phones this is affecting (at least, I hope they do!). If its not a lot, overall, perhaps they will go ahead.
 
ABSOLUTELY Genius Bar. I've seen it, first hand. We sometimes assume people who will install the public beta are tech smart. So many people want the latest and greatest and don't think or realize the consequences, and when the device isn't operating as expected, they make an appointment. It won't matter is they are turned away, or rolled back to 11.4, it WILL clog the system with clueless people, even if it adds 10 people a day to the list, most stores here in the Chicago area have several days wait to get in. Again, I'll be shocked if Apple releases a public beta with GPS issues. Let's see if they prove me wrong.
 
Daremo said:
ABSOLUTELY Genius Bar. I've seen it, first hand. We sometimes assume people who will install the public beta are tech smart. So many people want the latest and greatest and don't think or realize the consequences, and when the device isn't operating as expected, they make an appointment. It won't matter is they are turned away, or rolled back to 11.4, it WILL clog the system with clueless people, even if it adds 10 people a day to the list, most stores here in the Chicago area have several days wait to get in. Again, I'll be shocked if Apple releases a public beta with GPS issues. Let's see if they prove me wrong.
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I never knew they had this policy. I was running the iOS 11 beta and noticed a smell coming from the phone and it was overheating significantly. I made an appointment and was told that my battery was degrading at an extremely rapid pace. They replaced it on the spot.
 
tristianh said:
I never knew they had this policy. I was running the iOS 11 beta and noticed a smell coming from the phone and it was overheating significantly. I made an appointment and was told that my battery was degrading at an extremely rapid pace. They replaced it on the spot.
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I don't believe iOS is low-level enough to impact most hardware such as batteries. This is why battery problems on the 6 and 6S aren't remedied with a software update (throttling or shutdowns isn't a fix). Therefore, regardless of your iOS version, they'd have to replace the battery/device. Plus, with the media coverage on exploding batteries in Samsungs, and Apple's battery problems of their own, they'd rather quietly remedy the issue then have it explode (pun intended) into a bigger problem.

Grayburn said:
Surely that's a problem Twitter need to fix though?
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Agreed. I don't recall iOS ever being the culprit for apps not working, but rather developers needing to update their apps for changes in API's, etc.
 
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