If no revised version of DP2 or DB3 before PB1, then I would say we either expect PB1 today or Monday.
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If no revised version of DP2 or DB3 before PB1, then I would say we either expect PB1 today or Monday.
I agree with your assessment.
I don’t see them going for a public beta with a known issue of that magnitude, and I don’t consider a Friday release likely either.
The problem with that statement is that Apple said PB1 before end of June. Lots of posts here laying out the timeline that don't provide enough time for both a DP3 and PB1, meaning that either PB1 will be delayed (very unlikely) or we will receive PB1, which is the same build as DP2 or perhaps a slightly revised version of DP2 for these "groundbreaking" bugs people are citing.
Agree no Friday release.
I think with Apple's re-focus on quality, they will push back a public beta if its just not good enough to ship. I think they'd rather take the minor PR hit for missing that deadline than a more major PR headache for shipping a PB with significant GPS problems.
Yep, I agree. I know a lot of non-developers have iOS 12 on their phone, but I'm sure a lot more are waiting on the public beta. So far, iOS 12 has been a blessing in comparison to iOS 11. First impression is everything. I'm going to act like iOS 11 never existed.
The focus on quality would be to the public and not beta testers necessarily.
Apple can't be faulted from a PR perspective. It is a beta. I feel like the Public Beta program has clouded the public's mentality of a software development process. It's not meant to be "early" or "exclusive" access to a software version. It's a version of software that is not guaranteed nor intended to be completely functional, but rather available for developers to test their apps on and also provide feedback on any system level functionality.
I'd almost wish they'd stop offering Public Beta's early on in the cycle, or not for major releases altogether.
You are absolutely right. But we all know that's how its treated (as early adopters program). Apple knows this too. It doesn't matter that its called a beta; what will matter is that its generally available to the public. All the disclaimers in the world won't change that.
They could still release DP3 on Monday or Tuesday then PB1 on Wed or Thursday. Its the same build not two separate ones. And so its said,Apple is ahead in builds from what is released to Devs anyway so potentially the GPS issue is already fixed.
This has been discussed in previous posts, but the summary is "Don't hold your breath".
There has never been a DP3 for a major iOS version released within 7 or 8 days of DP2. In fact, most DP3's were minimally 14 days from DP2, but usually closer to 21 days. In instances where the gap between DP2 and DP3 was closer to 14 days, DP1 to DP2 was closer to 21 days.
I'm aware the builds are the same, but Apple will not release PB1 the same day as DP2 or DP3 (if they choose to wait, which I disagree with).
Correct but I didn't say PB and DP on same day. That doesn't happen until later in the beta process. But given they stated end of June for a public beta is what I am going by. That will be next week. And of course they can backtrack on that as well and push it to July but my guess is we will see it next week. And I don't think it will be the DP2 build.
I also think it will be next week and a different build. I think the fact that they scheduled the public beta for late June and also have some potential “showstopping” (for the public) bugs, in my opinion this creates a unique circumstance, which is why I think we’ll see DB3 on Monday and the public beta on Wednesday or Thursday. Again, just my opinion
PB1 will come next week. It will not be a DP3 because there will not be a DP3 until early-mid July. Could it be a revised version of DP2? Perhaps. That means we'll need to see a revised version of DP2 on Monday or Tuesday, with a PB1 using the same revised DP2 build on Wednesday or Thursday. I still think this is unlikely. This forum's mentality of "they won't release a PB unless it's completely functional" needs to be changed. It's a beta of a major software update. Apple can release it without every piece of functionality 100% working. If you download it and something doesn't work, then you'll have to live with it or restore.
I’m sure you’re correct about everything not having to be working 100% for a release. But to equate every functionality on a phone is not correct. I’ll live if Siri Shortcuts is not functional. I may not live if e911 can’t tell the fire department where I live when my house is on fire. That’s the critical difference here. Knowing large swaths of the public will use this, and the GPS is not performing for a large subset of those users, if I’m Apple Legal, I say “no go” beta label or not. This is even more critical when you think that many users will not be able to restore back to iOS 11.
Usually someone who intends to install the public beta SHOULD know what he is doing and which precautions need to be taken in advance for being able to revert back to IOS 11.4.
If not...no whining accepted afterwards - not apples fault but the user’s who installed the PB without knowing what he is doing and how to revert back to IOS 11.4 .
Before installing the PB, release notes can be read by anyone to learn what's not working yet.
This whole discussion somehow reminds me on Marlboro and cancer....sueing Marlboro for being deadsick after 40 years of smoking....
If not...no whining accepted afterwards - not apples fault but the user’s who installed the PB without knowing what he is doing and how to revert back to IOS 11.4
.Before installing the PB, release notes can be read by anyone to learn what's not working yet.
This whole discussion somehow reminds me on Marlboro and cancer....sueing Marlboro for being deadsick after 40 years of smoking....
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Usually someone who intends to install the public beta SHOULD know what he is doing and which precautions need to be taken in advance for being able to revert back to IOS 11.4.
If not...no whining accepted afterwards - not apples fault but the users who installed the PB without knowing what he is doing and how to revert back to IOS 11.4
Before installing the PB, release notes can be read by anyone to learn what's not working yet.
This whole discussion somehow reminds me on Marlboro and cancer....sueing Marlboro for being deadsick after 40 years of smoking....
All absolutely true...and besides the point. If you’re Apple, why would you take the chance? This is not cigarettes, for which no amount of tinkering is going to change their essential properties. This is presumably a software issue, which is likely fixable in a week or 2 (and may already be fixed internally, thereby making this whole discuss moot).
The difference between public beta and dev beta is also that the public beta from what I remember gives no warning about not using it on your primary device so I can't see Apple shipping out the public beta with a major bug if they can help it.
Though I'm still not 100% sure what the problem with GPS is, people say it's an Intel modem issues but I'm not having any GPS problems with my UK bought iPhone X, I was using Apple Maps just yesterday to navigate on foot a completely new to me area without any issues, it locked onto my location perfectly and I was able to use my Apple Watch to prompt me when to change direction, how far to walk etc.
Though I'm still not 100% sure what the problem with GPS is, people say it's an Intel modem issues but I'm not having any GPS problems with my UK bought iPhone X, I was using Apple Maps just yesterday to navigate on foot a completely new to me area without any issues, it locked onto my location perfectly and I was able to use my Apple Watch to prompt me when to change direction, how far to walk etc.
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Nope. There will be beta 3 for developers before Apple releases PB at all for beta 3....
Far to many bugs for a PB release. So let’s hope beta 3 shows up sometime this week.