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iOS 12.x.x Speculation Thread [Merged]

My bet is on July 9 even though I wish they would release something this week. Apple never had less than 30 days between DB1 and DB3 for major releases (I am talking about X.0 release not incremental X.1.X release). And next week is likely off in Apple so it is more likely that they release DB3 on the Monday after (July 9).

Also if they do so, it would be 35 days between DB1 and DB3, exactly the same number of days for iOS10 and 11 beta schedule in the past.
 
For what it’s worth, iOS 10.3.3 beta 6 was released on July 5th last year.

That could’ve been a beta that was prepared weeks in advance though. I won’t get my hopes up too much for next week.
 
dannyyankou said:
For what it’s worth, iOS 10.3.3 beta 6 was released on July 5th last year.

That could’ve been a beta that was prepared weeks in advance though. I won’t get my hopes up too much for next week.
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A beta 6 of an X.x.x version of iOS is quite different than beta 3 of X.0.

So I agree, next week is unlikely.
 
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I'd say there's a slim chance yet this week (today or tomorrow, not Friday). If not, then Thursday, July 5th or Monday/Tuesday July 9/10th.
 
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My guess is next week. But it might be any day of the week (I think after 4th of July). If it is not next week, there will be 37 days between beta 1 and beta 3 which is I think unlikely considering there were never more that 35 days between beta 1 and beta 3.
 
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dreadlord said:
My guess is next week. But it might be any day of the week (I think after 4th of July). If it is not next week, there will be 37 days between beta 1 and beta 3 which is I think unlikely considering there were never more that 35 days between beta 1 and beta 3.
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If it’s Monday the 9th, that’s 20 days. Not 35. Beta 2 was released on June 19th.

Edit: Nevermind, I thought you said between beta 2 and beta 3
 
dreadlord said:
My guess is next week. But it might be any day of the week (I think after 4th of July). If it is not next week, there will be 37 days between beta 1 and beta 3 which is I think unlikely considering there were never more that 35 days between beta 1 and beta 3.
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That’s not entirely true. There was 50 days between beta 1 release date and beta 3 of iOS 7.1. 42 days for iOS 5.1.
 
Mlrollin91 said:
That’s not entirely true. There was 50 days between beta 1 release date and beta 3 of iOS 7.1. 42 days for iOS 5.1.
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But they are in the very past. I think the process is very different since iOS 8 or iOS 9. iOS 7 only has 1 maintenance release iOS 7.1. Since iOS 8, Apple have more than 3 major maintenance releases.
 
dreadlord said:
My guess is next week. But it might be any day of the week (I think after 4th of July). If it is not next week, there will be 37 days between beta 1 and beta 3 which is I think unlikely considering there were never more that 35 days between beta 1 and beta 3.
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DP2 came out on 6/19, so if DP3 came out on 7/9, then that's only 20 days. 2-3 weeks is the norm for early cycle intervals, and this falls within that period. I think it's difficult to draw patterns between multiple betas release dates (e.g. DP1 to DP3) to come to a reasonable basis for future predictions, and overall a 2 day difference over the course of 2 beta differentials isn't material.

I can't see the beta coming out on or before 7/4 due to it being a holiday, and most companies are shutting down entirely either before and/or after 7/4 as it falls on a Wednesday this year. We also know they won't release a beta immediately before a time period that people are trying to be out of office on holiday or on a weekend, so if we see it next week, it would only be 7/5 I'd guess (I'm still guessing 7/9).
 
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But they are in the very past. I think the process is very different since iOS 8 or iOS 9. iOS 7 only has 1 maintenance release iOS 7.1. Since iOS 8, Apple have more than 3 major maintenance releases.
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iOS 4 had 3. You have to take the totality of the past. You can’t merely take only from the past couple of years.

There is past precedent for it to go above 35 days. I think it’s a very thin argument.
 
Mlrollin91 said:
iOS 4 had 3. You have to take the totality of the past. You can’t merely take only from the past couple of years.

There is past precedent for it to go above 35 days. I think it’s a very thin argument.
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Gonna have to differ from you on this one. These are not hoary old common law cases. The precedential value of anything before iOS 7 is likely close to zero. Think hypotenuse!
 
gwhizkids said:
Gonna have to differ from you on this one. These are not hoary old common law cases. The precedential value of anything before iOS 7 is likely close to zero. Think hypotenuse!
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I disagree. Apple has returned to the old beta schedule of iOS 1-4. In iOS 5-6, releases could come out on a Friday night at 5pm. With iOS 7, that returned to 10am and sometimes 1pm releases. Apple is a creature of habit, all past history should be weighted the same. Even in prior years with the "surprises" it still follows similar patterns. But the poster is trying to infer a beta will come based on the time from the first to the time of the third. That is a very peculiar argument. The better argument is the a average time between 2 and 3. Not 1 and 3.

Because I'm a stickler, all case law, whether from 100 years ago or being decided tomorrow is called "common law".
 
Mlrollin91 said:
I disagree. Apple has returned to the old beta schedule of iOS 1-4. In iOS 5-6, releases could come out on a Friday night at 5pm. With iOS 7, that returned to 10am and sometimes 1pm releases. Apple is a creature of habit, all past history should be weighted the same. Even in prior years with the "surprises" it still follows similar patterns. But the poster is trying to infer a beta will come based on the time from the first to the time of the third. That is a very peculiar argument. The better argument is the a average time between 2 and 3. Not 1 and 3.

Because I'm a stickler, all case law, whether from 100 years ago or being decided tomorrow is called "common law".
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To be fair, we saw that in the past couple of years especially it was down to essentially "expecting the unexpected" in enough cases to make a lot of patterns questionable at best basically.
 
I think that if we see a DB3 before the 2 weeks, it’ll be tomorrow with a PB2 a week from the first PB. But I doubt it, I think it’s much more likely to see a DB3 next monday the 2nd
 
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