After all these years of both OSes constantly taking good ideas from each other, people still make topics about it?
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iOS 14 is literally Android
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It’s simple - I don’t care about these features on Android because I don’t care about Android. I care about them on iOS/iPadOS. They are new on my favorite platform which I consider to be better even without these features. And I always like Apple’s presentation and consistency better anyway.
Anyone who has used Mac before knows that Apple is no stranger to widgets. Android also have had them since like ...forever , but even to this day, they are poorly implemented.
I disagree. They are way more flexible than apple’s version and you can actually put them damn near wherever you want.
Apple hasn’t even launched an iOS with widgets yet. Maybe just hold off the critique until it ships (and by all means, file feedback).
Well, let's agree to disagree then. To start with, the iOS widget can be placed anywhere on the screen also (except on the top of the apps obviously) so it pushes apps out of the to way make a space. One thing Android does let you do that iOS doesn't is allowing you to completely remove the apps and widgets and leave the screen empty. Not sure I would want that but it is an option regardless, and some people use it. iOS widgets are implemented in a typical Apple fashion. Simple and classy rather than confusing and mediocre.
EDIT: You were right about not being able to place iOS widgets anywhere you like. You can for the most part, but it appears you can not place them in the middle (meaning between apps) but that may change on future betas.
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Exactly, you cannot place them anywhere you want. So like I said android has a better implementation. Theres different shape and sizes too and you can customize your home screen to your liking without being held back by the OS unlike IOS. That’s just facts. Throwing the word confusing and mediocre without explaining how doesn’t do much. Also I’m not sure if you’re basing your Android opinion from a 2020 perspective or a 2013 perspective....things have changed. Grab a galaxy S20/ Oneplus 8 pro with the 120hz refresh rate (which iPhone users are hoping will come to the 12 pro by the way) and see how things work. You don’t have to discredit Android in order to highlight IOS strengths.
I use several phones as a phone junky myself. I have a galaxy S10, an iPhone XS, 8 plus and a 6S. If I had to keep one it would be the galaxy S10 no doubt but that’s cause I’m more of an Android guy. My opinion doesn’t make Android better than iOS, it’s just my preference. But the good thing is I don’t have to just keep one. I love iOS too and out of all 3 iPhones that I have the 8 plus is my favorite. To me Touch ID is just better than Face ID but I digress.
I think there’s always going to be reasons to go for one OS over the other. We know that Android has mote choices and will probably always have more features but we also know that generally speaking, iOS has a better implementation of the same features (not when it comes to widgets though) and it’s ecosystem is second to none. Obviously this is a an Apple forum so it’s pro iOS.
If iOS becomes more like android in certain aspects, while keeping out the junky elements (prone to malware, amateur hour apps, janky update strategy etc), it will just be another reason to never leave the iOS ecosystem.
iOS 14 sounds fantastic so far, provided that it’s not another iOS 13 debacle in terms of release readiness.
iOS 14 sounds fantastic so far, provided that it’s not another iOS 13 debacle in terms of release readiness.
Couldn’t agree more. I have samsung tablet, compared to iPad the features are similar. But when it come to polished and experience, iOS wins clearly.
I hope people on the betas use it to file actual bugs that need to be fixed not feature requests.
If "better" implementation is measured by 'where you can place the widgets" or how much you can resize them, then yes, you got it. But the importance of these is a personal preference. For some (me included) better execution includes a lot of things, the way you add them to the home screen, the way they look, (not like they are slapped from a web browser) fluidity, being consistent with the user interface, and so on and on. It is only the first beta and IMO, it beats the heck out of Androids implementation. Apple may do things late, but they do things right. So no, I do not agree with you at all. Your "better" is not my "better" or everyone's "better". And vise versa.
Yeah we totally disagree. And being sore to put your widget wherever you want is actually part of the implementation. I’m sure if it was the other way around you would make that argument for iOS so you should be consistent. “ the way they look” you say, well that is subjective. I think they look better on Android. Not sure how much you have used Android but I have extensively alongside iOS so believe me I know first hand, I use them on my S10 and they work great. It doesn’t beat the heck out of anything and that’s ok, it’s just new they still have ways to go like being able to add them wherever you want, have more sizes like in android, you can damn near fit a widget anywhere. That’s what I call a better implementation and they are more fluid. iOS is off to a good start but they have ways to go to catch up.
Except it's Android that can be installed on devices at the same time and can be used for YEARS before becoming so buggy that you can have to get a new phone.
Ok, honestly, yeah it takes features that have been on Android for a while and built that in but is that not a good thing? That is really one of the main/only things that I like about the Android OS. Widgets will be very nice to have and I welcome them. I am ok with not always being the first to implement something. It's ok at times but there is only so much that can be done.
At this point people won't be happy unless Apple makes features that no other device has and only that and that's just not going to happen.
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I'll comment about being more fluid. By saying that you are comparing something that's been out of beta (android widgets) for years to something that just got to beta so not sure that the fluidity of them is a fair statement. That said, the S10 is a great device and definitely has some things it does better than iOS does for sure. Goes both ways though.
I have used Android, perhaps 20% of all my smartphone usage, usually Galaxy phones (every couple of years, probably best Android Phones) but I always end up using it for few months, half a year at most and then throwing it on eBay once all the typical Android issues start (like sluggishness) and the lack of regular updates like iOS has made me lose interest on them. Widgets on Android have always looked badly and cheap work to me. I like simplicity and elegance and I do not like clutter and inconsistency. That is one of the main differentiators between iOS and Android (without even touching on other stuff like privacy, security, updates, etc)
Well the good thing is you’re entitled to you’re opinion and you like what you like. But you should be happy apple has decided to jump on the widget band wagon otherwise we wouldn’t have this discussion right now. It took long enough though. But I’m glad it’s here.
Are those really how widgets look on android? Why do they look so generic and unpolished. Yea ill take apples any day. Im all about user experience and details go a LONGGG way. Its the main reason I use Apple Music on appletv. There isn't any other app for music on my shield or any 3rd party music app with the user experience of Apple Music on the appletv.
Its all about polished detailed apps and interface!
Those android ones remind me of a worse version of jailbreaking tweaks I was installing back in 2010.
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I do agree, however I look at things on a bigger picture and how people use their phones. Most of us on these platforms are tech oriented and we do get excited about this stuff. But I believe we make a very small percentage of general smartphone users. From what I have seen people’s smartphone user behaviour they don”t seem to dive anywhere as deep as tech enthusiasts do on their smartphone. There are these who never even change the default wallpaper. Of course they use a lot of apps, and that’s where their focus is. Stuff they seem to care about are battery life, app stability, good cameras etc. I do not know exactly why widgets now and not earlier, but I do know that Apple is not focused that much on jampacking their OS,s with features they think users wont find very useful , as much as they are focused on optimisation of OS, efficiency and security and personally I am fine with that. New features are always welcome, as long as they are not at the expense of user experience.
I agree and disagree here. It’s true that a lot of mainstream users will not use the upcoming features. One of my friend didn’t even know about Face ID on his XR and to this day he doesn’t use it so that goes to show you. My girlfriend didn’t know about the iOS 13 update until I told her and even then she was like “it’s the same thing”. iPhone users tend to be like that though, not so much on Android. Android users are fully aware of the features the OS offers (for the most part) and they take advantage of it. Split screen multitasking, picture In picture etc... I stuff I use in my S10 on the daily but miss when I use my iPhone.
Now I am genuinely shocked, personally don’t know any of post iPhone X users that doesn’t use Face ID. It is one of things you go through when you set up a new iPhone, hard to miss and simple to set up even for a 5 year old child. If you set up the phone yourself, it’s just hard to miss it, unless you just don’t want to use it.
I know bro. I swear to God he never used it. Some ppl out there don’t care or don’t understand what’s going on and most of those people are iPhone users. He doesn’t even swipe up and hold to switch apps, he didn’t know you can do that. He is a smart guy in case you wonder, he just doesn’t care so he never bother checking stuff out. Shoot my girlfriend didn’t know u could hold on icons to move them around until a couple years ago, No bs. I showed it to her and she was like “ wait what is happening”
