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We will be “forced” to sideload apps we’re already using. Any company with something to gain by pulling their apps from the store will pull them. Have you seen the Mac App Store? Sure the intertia of the iOS App Store will keep some major apps in there for a while, but it won’t last

I can’t wait to have to go to amazon.com to download the kindle app and updates, and netflix.com for their app and updates, and discord.com for their app and updates…
uhh
what would amazon, netflix, and discord get from pulling their apps, there all already free (at least on first download) so it wouldn't give them any extra benefits
only companies that charge like 3.99 for a app would probably move to sideloading, but i doubt apps used by people who can barely use their phone anyway will move to sideloading
 
The reality once this happens everyone will have to. I am not the one who pointed this out - someone else here. But eventually some organization, school, etc is going to require you use their crappy app they didn’t want to put on the App Store. This is going to hit everyone and it’s disingenuous to pretend those who want to avoid it will be able to. This is basically breaking everyone’s phones and ecosystem by govt fiat. I am happy for those who see an advantage but for the huge majority who don’t we are getting screwed and it cannot be escaped.

Funny, because Android has sideloading yet 97% of all Android users don't sideload.
 
Apple will lock the sandbox for sideloaded apps super tight.

Tighter than a fist.

Those apps shouldn’t have any access to Apple Pay, the file system, the media libraries or the Contacts app.

There will still be the risk of side channel attacks and memory exploits.

Sideloading on a phone today is like getting an STD in the 80s.

The 1880s.
 
Apple will lock the sandbox for sideloaded apps super tight.

Tighter than a fist.

Those apps shouldn’t have any access to Apple Pay, the file system, the media libraries or the Contacts app.

There will still be the risk of side channel attacks and memory exploits.

Sideloading on a phone today is like getting an STD in the 80s.

The 1880s.

My god it's just installing software from an alternative app store or from an apk. It's not as scary as you all think it is. On a desktop we call this just "installing software"

Apple really gaslit y'all hard
 
You still get to download, install and use their app.

So what’s the problem?
It’s not vetted by the App Store guidelines (not perfect of course, but a great track record overall). Also refunds could become a huge pain since it won’t be centralized within Apple. Not to mention all the hidden things that could be buried in the code and not discovered until it’s too late. Developers being bound by APIs and sandboxes.
 
uhh
what would amazon, netflix, and discord get from pulling their apps, there all already free (at least on first download) so it wouldn't give them any extra benefits
only companies that charge like 3.99 for a app would probably move to sideloading, but i doubt apps used by people who can barely use their phone anyway will move to sideloading
Currently you can’t buy books on the Kindle app, only read them, because they don’t want to pay the cut to Apple.

Netflix you can’t subscribe in the app, so it would probably go for that reason.

Discord likely pays Apple a cut of their Nitro subs bought through the app, it would go eventually.

Etc…
 
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The irony of users downloading whatever they like on their macs for decades but being against it on the iPhone seems lost on many users.

Seriously it's not an issue on Android. In fact iOS finally getting emulators might actually kill Android as a choice for many users.
 
The irony of users downloading whatever they like on their macs for decades but being against it on the iPhone seems lost on many users.

Seriously it's not an issue on Android. In fact iOS finally getting emulators might actually kill Android as a choice for many users.

It's the same reason why most Mac users think Macs don't get viruses: They're both computer illiterate and Apple gaslit them.

This is why I keep saying the iPhone ruined a generation of computer users.
 
We might see some app leaving the store and going the side load way… not good for the @regular joe”
You might. Apps that have to pay Apple that 30% tax for in-app services or purchases may have a cheaper version you can get direct from their site and pay for via a CC. Why not? But surely they will continue to do business-as-usual on the App Store for those who don't mind paying more.
 


Apple in iOS 17 will for the first time allow iPhone users to download apps hosted outside of its official App Store, according to Bloomberg's Mark Gurman.

iOS-17-Icon-Mock-Feature-Feature.jpg

Otherwise known as sideloading, the change would allow customers to download apps without needing to use the App Store, which would mean developers wouldn't need to pay Apple's 15 to 30 percent fees.

The European Union's Digital Markets Act (DMA), which went into effect on November 1, 2022, requires "gatekeeper" companies to open up their services and platforms to other companies and developers.

The DMA will have a big impact on Apple's platforms, and it could result in Apple making major changes to the ‌App Store‌, Messages, FaceTime, Siri, and more. Apple is planning to implement sideloading support to comply with the new European regulations by next year, according to Gurman.

Apple has claimed that sideloading will "undermine the privacy and security protections" that iPhone users rely on, leaving people vulnerable to malware, scams, data tracking, and other issues. However, Apple must comply with the DMA or it risks fines of as much as 20 percent of its global revenue if the EU laws are violated.

In a December 2022 report Gurman said Apple was considering implementing security requirements such as verification, a process that it could charge a fee for in lieu of collecting money from app sales. Apple has a verification system on Mac that allows users to be safe while giving them access to apps outside of the Mac App Store.

If other countries introduce similar legislation, alternate app stores could expand beyond the European Union. The United States, for example, is considering legislation that would require Apple to allow sideloading.

Article Link: iOS 17 to Support App Sideloading to Comply With European Regulations
 
We might see some app leaving the store and going the side load way… not good for the @regular joe”

Just like how the majority of apps left the Google Play Store to be downloadable APKs? Oh wait...

Y'all are gonna be fine. Most if any aren't gonna leave the app store due to having an established userbase. If they left the App Store at that point they'd be committing corporate suicide
 
Take a gander at the Mac App Store. Then tell me how many “insane” developers there are out there.
The Mac App Store is a different beast because it was never a primary, let alone the sole, source of third-party software for macOS, unlike on iOS.

Plus, Apple’s App Store terms are simply not competitive in many cases for the platform. macOS is a platform where for decades now developers have been happy to deliver/serve their own software and users have been content downloading/buying it directly from them. iOS is, well, not that. A thriving Mac App Store would’ve required reconditioning users, and a thriving non-App Store iOS app business will too.

I’d also be a bit surprised if Apple doesn’t allow IT organizations to block the installation of non-App Store apps altogether on their managed devices, making such an approach a non-starter for many cases.
 
Currently you can’t buy books on the Kindle app, only read them, because they don’t want to pay the cut to Apple.

Netflix you can’t subscribe in the app, so it would probably go for that reason.

Discord likely pays Apple a cut of their Nitro subs bought through the app, it would go eventually.

Etc…
netfilx maybe, so yeah that would be annoying but they would also lose users that didn't know how to sideload because of that tho
also you said amazon, and now its the kindle app!?!?
also if you don't want to side load, theres this great thing called safari or google, just use the web versions
edit: looking at my iphone, apple doesn't get a cut out of most subs like that as long as you don't use apple pay. (maybe im wrong, lol but i just compared to some mobile subs i pay for, and i didn't use apple pay or a gift card, just a debt card lol)
 
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I've always found the idea of Tim Cook dictating which apps I can and cannot use ridiculous; it's so, so good to hear the news on this.

Finally, the iPhone is going to become a real computing device, not a pointless calculator as it is nowadays.

Finally, I can maybe ditch the Android, which I use mostly because it has the apps that are not available on the App Store at all. (because Russia and sanctions. long story. still a good reason to avoid 'walled gardens' like plague.)

Finally.
 
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Right to repair enforcement NEXT. Make the batteries relatively easily replacement by consumers. Or at the very least, accessible.

So happy to see Apple get bitch slapped finally by a governing body to do THE RIGHT THING.

That, and Apple should just stop breaking features like True Tone and Face ID in case of mismatched serial numbers (like after replacing a display or a camera).

Whoever lobbies against that is a 100% evil person; just as bad as those employed by Big Tobacco or Nestle.
 


Apple in iOS 17 will for the first time allow iPhone users to download apps hosted outside of its official App Store, according to Bloomberg's Mark Gurman.

iOS-17-Icon-Mock-Feature-Feature.jpg

Otherwise known as sideloading, the change would allow customers to download apps without needing to use the App Store, which would mean developers wouldn't need to pay Apple's 15 to 30 percent fees.

The European Union's Digital Markets Act (DMA), which went into effect on November 1, 2022, requires "gatekeeper" companies to open up their services and platforms to other companies and developers.

The DMA will have a big impact on Apple's platforms, and it could result in Apple making major changes to the ‌App Store‌, Messages, FaceTime, Siri, and more. Apple is planning to implement sideloading support to comply with the new European regulations by next year, according to Gurman.

Apple has claimed that sideloading will "undermine the privacy and security protections" that iPhone users rely on, leaving people vulnerable to malware, scams, data tracking, and other issues. However, Apple must comply with the DMA or it risks fines of as much as 20 percent of its global revenue if the EU laws are violated.

In a December 2022 report Gurman said Apple was considering implementing security requirements such as verification, a process that it could charge a fee for in lieu of collecting money from app sales. Apple has a verification system on Mac that allows users to be safe while giving them access to apps outside of the Mac App Store.

If other countries introduce similar legislation, alternate app stores could expand beyond the European Union. The United States, for example, is considering legislation that would require Apple to allow sideloading.

Article Link: iOS 17 to Support App Sideloading to Comply With European Regulations
From my point of view, I don't use apps for the benefit of the developer, I certainly won't download apps without the App Store safety net, anyone that does, is not too bright 😏 Each to their own, but I suspect most Apple users will be similar to me!
 
Right to repair enforcement NEXT. Make the batteries relatively easily replacement by consumers. Or at the very least, accessible.

So happy to see Apple get bitch slapped finally by a governing body to do THE RIGHT THING.
sometimes i feel like this stuff is just so the goverment can say look at us! were doing something!!
honestly the right to repair should have came first
 
This is great right up until companies refuse to offer App Store version of their software and force users to sideload. I can see Meta doing this and bringing along spyware and user tracking that they were forced to eliminate due to apple’s tracking bans

Then this would rampant on Android.
It isn't.

There will be growing pains (likely).
 
From my point of view, I don't use apps for the benefit of the developer, I certainly won't download apps without the App Store safety net, anyone that does, is not too bright 😏 Each to their own, but I suspect most Apple users will be similar to me!
enjoy reading this, lol
also, if you would rather pay more on the app store, be my guest! but i know many games the cost 1-3 dollars cheaper on the devs website or other app stores.
also i guess me, a person who repairs laptops, tablets, and phones for a living is NoT tOO BrIghT
 
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