iOS 17 to Support App Sideloading to Comply With European Regulations

[Omega Mac]

This has nothing to do with users freedom, this is teh EU being used to crack Apple devices. A virtual backdoor, these devices become way more hackable surely?!!?

As usual the argument is a subterfuge.

 

[sirozha]

It’s time for Apple to get the hell out of Europe. Pull out the iPhone. Let them use Android only. That will teach them a lesson.

It’s the Apple’s platform: hardware and software. Apple doesn’t have to allow a third-party App Store on their platform. If the European courts have ruled against Apple, then Apple should leave.

 

[4odomi]

We have been able to "side load" on the Mac system since forever, and it has been a blessing as I have been able to download apps that q) more complete than their App Store versions, b) download apps that compete directly with Apple's apps, and c) down load apps whose cost 100% goes to the developers. One has to be a little more careful, but then Apple hasn't been that good at protecting us from bad players in the iOS App Store. (It's always been more about protecting Apple's profits than protecting the consumer)

It's about choice, folks. If you want the walled garden you are free to stick with the App Store. But I for one look forward to the expanded choices soon to become available.

I suspect people similar to yourselve, complain the loudest about Mac OS bugs 😏
I don't side load anything on my Mac and I don't have any issues, certainly not about to start now on the iPhone 😊

 

[sirozha]

Don't worry! There is enough Apple's spyware as it is now.

If Meta refuses to issue the Facebook app for the iPhone, the humankind will get a chance to improve for a change.

 

[T.j.p.]

Perfect, then we can sideload apps that don’t comply with EU:s total surveillance system, “Chat control.”

Then in a oxymoronic twist they will require Apple block illicit chat apps…

 

[T.j.p.]

Apple could, could, run the verification process as they sideloaded an app, and warn those presenting a security threat. Further create a sandbox environment and run all sideloaded apps there. If packaged as a project with only binaries you can sideloaded apps already. Just takes xCode. If Apple wanted to be predatory they’d require a Apple computer to sideload an app…

 

[bobthebuilderissus]

It’s time for Apple to get the hell out of Europe. Pull out the iPhone. Let them use Android only. That will teach them a lesson.

It’s the Apple’s platform: hardware and software. Apple doesn’t have to allow a third-party App Store on their platform. If the European courts have ruled against Apple, then Apple should leave.

ah, yes that'll teach them!
they definitely won't care, because apple will lose money and the EU will have less work to do.
also do you even know how sideloading works? it litterally is just like installing apps on a pc without using a app store.

 

[Spaceboi Scaphandre]

Well, and this is just me, but I game at home where I do not need a cloud gaming app. It's called Turn on TV, turn on Playstation/Xbox/Switch.

While some won't use it (like I hate streaming would rather run a game natively) it is an option and an option a lot of people on Xbox take, attaching a Backbone One to their phone and playing their Game Pass library on their phone wherever they go.

You can have third party browser technologies without side loading. Apple just needs to add the binaries. But, IMHO, Safari is superior to Firefox, and Firefox smokes Chrome. Chrome sucks. So, not a problem for me. Mozilla, I hope, takes Chrome down a peg or two. I love Mozilla, but I love Safari more.

Okay I'm gonna have to be honest...Safari blows. It's so behind the competition that Orion Browser is what Safari is supposed to be. A lot of websites just don't work on Safari, and plugin support is nonexistent.

Do you honestly think most people would be using Safari if they weren't forced to?

Safari is the new Internet Explorer

A short rant about poor DX/UX

medium.com

Virtual Machines and Emulators....okay, God Damn it. I would love Parallels on my iPad. UTM works well, but it's crippled. And Dolphin/RetroArch/etc at this point I do not understand why emulation is even remotely a legal issue anymore given not even Sony or Microsoft has been able to ever seriously beat them back.

Simple: Apple is out of touch with the game industry. They don't support anything, don't listen to game developers at all, look down on game developers (despite the game industry being bigger than movies now), Tim Cook on court record said he doesn't know who Valve is or what Steam is (DESPITE INVITING THEM AS GUEST SPEAKERS DURING WWDC 2016'S KEYNOTE), divested OpenGL and refused to adopt Vulkan, I can go on.

Fun fact: There was a DOS emulator on the App Store at one point called iDOS (essentially DOSBox but optimized for a touch screen and the A series chips.) But once Apple realized it was a game emulator they pulled it from the App Store.

Apple hits another low note with the App Store

Apple should reconsider its ban on the iDOS app, a fun nod to the past.

www.macworld.com

This is why we need sideloading and alternative app stores. I would've killed for DOSBox on my iPhone and iPad.

 

[sirozha]

ah, yes that'll teach them!
they definitely won't care, because apple will lose money and the EU will have less work to do.
also do you even know how sideloading works? it litterally is just like installing apps on a pc without using a app store.

Yes, I know how sideloading works.

 

[Spaceboi Scaphandre]

It’s time for Apple to get the hell out of Europe. Pull out the iPhone. Let them use Android only. That will teach them a lesson.

It’s the Apple’s platform: hardware and software. Apple doesn’t have to allow a third-party App Store on their platform. If the European courts have ruled against Apple, then Apple should leave.

Man haven't seen a "Apple should pull out of Europe" comment in a while. Thanks for that I needed a good laugh

 

[bobthebuilderissus]

as a person who uses a chromebook as my main computer, being able to use google play would be a dream!
i would actually kill to have google play so i could use it on my chromebook ._.

 

[sirozha]

While some won't use it (like I hate streaming would rather run a game natively) it is an option and an option a lot of people on Xbox take, attaching a Backbone One to their phone and playing their Game Pass library on their phone wherever they go.



Okay I'm gonna have to be honest...Safari blows. It's so behind the competition that Orion Browser is what Safari is supposed to be. A lot of websites just don't work on Safari, and plugin support is nonexistent.

Do you honestly think most people would be using Safari if they weren't forced to?

Safari is the new Internet Explorer

A short rant about poor DX/UX

medium.com

Simple: Apple is out of touch with the game industry. They don't support anything, don't listen to game developers at all, look down on game developers (despite the game industry being bigger than movies now), Tim Cook on court record said he doesn't know who Valve is or what Steam is (DESPITE INVITING THEM AS GUEST SPEAKERS DURING WWDC 2016'S KEYNOTE), divested OpenGL and refused to adopt Vulkan, I can go on.

Fun fact: There was a DOS emulator on the App Store at one point called iDOS (essentially DOSBox but optimized for a touch screen and the A series chips.) But once Apple realized it was a game emulator they pulled it from the App Store.

Apple hits another low note with the App Store

Apple should reconsider its ban on the iDOS app, a fun nod to the past.

www.macworld.com

This is why we need sideloading and alternative app stores. I would've killed for DOSBox on my iPhone and iPad.

Do you not have a choice to go with an Android phone? Why do you think Apple owes you anything? Leave Apple and go to Android and enjoy an open platform with sideloading and alternative app stores. What gives you the right to dictate to Apple how Apple wants to conduct business on their own platform that belongs to them fair and square?

 

[seek3r]

This has nothing to do with users freedom, this is teh EU being used to crack Apple devices. A virtual backdoor, these devices become way more hackable surely?!!?

As usual the argument is a subterfuge.

Ah yes, because currently the only thing holding the tide of the EU hacking your phone back is a $100 charge to Apple to have a dev account and use xcode to sideload. Without that insurmountable $100 hurdle the poor, destitute, union will be let loose to ravage your phone

Hint: the EU member state intel agencies dont need side-loading to not require a dev account to create cracking tools

 

[Spaceboi Scaphandre]

Do you not have a choice to go with an Android phone?

No I don't I have an Apple Card and Apple Watch, and I'd rather not rebuy all my apps I've had since the iPhone 3GS.

Why do you think Apple owes you anything? Leave Apple and go to Android and enjoy an open platform with sideloading and alternative app stores. What gives you the right to dictate to Apple how Apple wants to conduct business on their own platform that belongs to them fair and square?

"Just buy the other duopoly, stop criticizing Fruit Computer company" is not an argument.

God damn you're really upset over the CHOICE to install software outside of the App Store.

 

[sirozha]

No I don't I have an Apple Card and Apple Watch, and I'd rather not rebuy all my apps I've had since the iPhone 3GS.



"Just buy the other duopoly, stop criticizing Fruit Computer company" is not an argument.

God damn you're really upset over the CHOICE to install software outside of the App Store.

No, what I’m upset about is the European governments dictating to an American company how to conduct their business on their platform. By the same token, I was upset when the Chinese and the Russian governments were dictating to Apple. By the way, Apple has left Russia, but there are iPhones 14 sold on every corner. Do you know who lost? The Russian government. Apple doesn’t have to comply with the Russian government nonsense, but the number of iPhones sold in Russia is barely down compare to when Apple was in Russia and had to comply with all the nonsense.

The resellers buy iPhones in Kazakhstan and bring them into Russia. Apple is selling 10 times as many iPhones in Kazakhstan now than they did two years ago.

 

[bobthebuilderissus]

Do you not have a choice to go with an Android phone? Why do you think Apple owes you anything? Leave Apple and go to Android and enjoy an open platform with sideloading and alternative app stores. What gives you the right to dictate to Apple how Apple wants to conduct business on their own platform that belongs to them fair and square?

uh, the fact that theres this thing called personal data that you can't be willy nilly with, so of course the EU can regulate it or apple can just enjoy never being able to sell a iphone in their jurisdiction ever again.
i have data i can't switch over to a android phone, trust me if i could i would
also I SHOULD BE ABLE TO REPAIR SOMETHING I FRICKING OWN WHY IS THAT SO HARD TO UNDERSTAND DVKJKJFJHFGLSDFGHDFLKJH

 

[bobthebuilderissus]

Just like how the majority of apps left the Google Play Store to be downloadable APKs? Oh wait...

Y'all are gonna be fine. Most if any aren't gonna leave the app store due to having an established userbase. If they left the App Store at that point they'd be committing corporate suicide

litterally thats what ive been trying to say

 

[dk001]

This is the issue I have with mandating side loading. The 15 to 30% that is paid to have apps on the App Store is a bargain. Developer good apps, let someone else worry about infrastructure.

Try selling something to Walmart, they charge 50% plus. Yeah, you can open your own store, but at what cost.

Mandatory side loading is bad news for consumers.

Where is it mandatory that users have to use it?
Apple just has to offer it. Nothing says you are required to use it.

 

[Spaceboi Scaphandre]

No, what I’m upset about is the European governments dictating to an American company how to conduct their business on their platform. By the same token, I was upset when the Chinese and the Russian governments were dictating to Apple.

Well if Apple didn't want government dictating what to do, they should've enabled sideloading ages ago. They brought this on themselves.

Also they're a multibillion dollar company lmao. Corporations aren't gonna do things out of the goodness of their heart. You think Microsoft wanted to allow other web browsers besides IE on Windows? If United States of America vs Microsoft didn't happen, we would all be stuck on IE.

By the way, Apple has left Russia, but there are iPhones 14 sold on every corner. Do you know who lost? The Russian government. Apple doesn’t have to comply with the Russian government nonsense, but the number of iPhones sold in Russia is barely down compare to when Apple was in Russia and had to comply with all the nonsense.

Firstly, whataboutism. Secondly, completely separate situation. Apple left Russia because PUTIN INVADED UKRAINE and every G20 member sanctioned them, so since Apple is an American company they gotta comply with sanctions on Russia. Plus, Russia's on the verge of economic collapse because of Putin's dumb war. Of course Apple's not gonna do business in a country who's currency is about to become worthless.

 

[B4U]

But, how do you know I didn't wash my hands and you shake my hand anyways?

You need to self-identify so that you can be avoided.
Thank you. 😆
(So glad to see someone understand the sarcasm!)

 

[CTHarrryH]

I wonder if the EU will require the ability to load different software on the vehicles they produce etc.

I won't use anything but the Apple App store. It isn't perfect but I trust Apple more than other companies

 

[kuwxman]

Look at all those thumbsdowns on the first page, ha. The Apple apologists are out in force on this one...probably because they said it would never happen originally and can't face eating that crow.

 

[bobthebuilderissus]

I wonder if the EU will require the ability to load different software on the vehicles they produce etc.

I won't use anything but the Apple App store. It isn't perfect but I trust Apple more than other companies

go look at my post when someone else said the exact same thing
in fact ill give u the same link!

Apple’s tightly controlled App Store is teeming with scams

Apple claims its App Store is carefully curated so that only the best apps get through. The truth is, the App Store is littered with scams and "fleeceware," which uses fake user ratings to trick customers into paying for something they don't want.

www.washingtonpost.com

 

[Joe The Dragon]

Right now, if an app attempts to circumvent those technical restrictions by doing dodgy/hacky stuff, the App Store review usually filters them out (yes, sometimes things get through, but given the number of app rejections versus the number of malware on iOS vs android, rarely). When there's sideloading, that barrier disappears.

but apples rules are to much vs others and there is content censorship as well.

 

[EvilEngineer]

This feels like Apple just doing the bare minimum to avoid something far worse from their point of view.

They know in reality that almost no one will side load, particularly if you have to go hunting through the settings to turn it on and get a scary end-of-the-world type click through warning when you do.

But mandatory alternative app stores with easy one press install?

That's what they really want to avoid. Remember the browser choice screen imposed on Microsoft back in the day and imagine that with app stores from Epic, Steam, Amazon (maybe) and others.

Welcome to Real competition, people, not just on price but also on app innovation/features. The whole heavy handed Xbox Games Pass saga wasn't a good look and was just one pretty clear cut example of Apple's monopolist behaviour.