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Perhaps they would, but I don’t think we can really afford that at this point. As is, if they release a beta today, they would only have time for like 4 to 5 at best betas, including the RC version. I don’t think we can afford to delay any further at this point. If they do end up pushing things back to next week, we would just be wasting valuable beta testing time. I think at this rate even a Friday release would be more likely than that. But who knows, at this point, there are several positive indications for a possible drop today. Let’s see if we get it today.
Keep in mind, the April date they gave was just arbitrary and they can delay that at any time. It wouldn't be unprecedented. They have pushed release dates back before. Even with hardware, AirPods were originally supposed to come out months earlier in 2016.
 
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From Gurman on the 19th
FYI: The new iOS, visionOS, macOS betas were supposed to be released Tuesday but they were pulled late in the game due to engineering reasons. Speaking of which, I will never understand the excitement
around betas (other than visionOS in this case) that have nothing new.

He has never understood the excitement about betas?

How many times in this thread did I say he only is knowledgeable about hardware?
 
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AirPower was meant to come out full stop and got cancelled entirely!
Exactly! Apple has either delayed or scrapped a lot of things. I remember when the Walkie Talkie feature was supposed to originally come out with the original Apple Watch, and then it was randomly added to watchOS 5 four years later. I was excited for that feature at first, but does anyone actually use it? Lol.
 
Keep in mind, the April date they gave was just arbitrary and they can delay that at any time. It wouldn't be unprecedented. They have pushed release dates back before. Even with hardware, AirPods were originally supposed to come out months earlier in 2016.
More times than not though it’s correct. If you think Gurman is a credible source, Apple is a far more credible source on all things Apple… Have they pushed things back or cancelled things in the past? Sure, but that it the rare outlier, not the norm…
 
This is accurate not anything from bloomberg

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More times than not though it’s correct. If you think Gurman is a credible source, Apple is a far more credible source on all things Apple… Have they pushed things back or cancelled things in the past? Sure, but that it the rare outlier, not the norm…
Idk they have a habit of pushing stuff, there was Walkie Talkie, the Photos face on the OG Apple Watch came in watchOS 2, Messages in the Cloud, Collaborative Apple Music playlists, Live activities for 3rd party apps, Universal Control, Share Photo library in iCloud, Airdrop over cellular

They definitely have a habit of pushing features back
 
More times than not though it’s correct. If you think Gurman is a credible source, Apple is a far more credible source on all things Apple… Have they pushed things back or cancelled things in the past? Sure, but that it the rare outlier, not the norm…
I’m not saying anything regarding the accuracy of Gurman right now. I’m saying that with the nearly month long gap, it’s common sense that the software has ran into delays. Unless it’s a holiday, Apple rarely goes more than a few days without an active beta cycle going.

Clearly, for whatever reason, they thought people shouldn’t be testing 18.4 beta for the past few weeks. And the reason that makes the most sense to me is that it’s very buggy, and they expanded beta testing to everyone for free the past couple years, so they don’t want it to cause issues on everyone’s iPhone.
 
Idk they have a habit of pushing stuff, there was Walkie Talkie, the Photos face on the OG Apple Watch came in watchOS 2, Messages in the Cloud, Collaborative Apple Music playlists, Live activities for 3rd party apps, Universal Control, Share Photo library in iCloud, Airdrop over cellular

They definitely have a habit of pushing features back
You cite like a handful of cases out of hundreds of times that things dropped when Apple said they would, it’s the rare outlier, not the norm. There’s absolutely no reason based on the evidence to expect 18.4 won’t drop in early April, and we have many good reasons to believe it will. Apple said it’s coming in early April, it is very likely coming in early April…
 
You cite like a handful of cases out of hundreds of times that things dropped when Apple said they would, it’s the rare outlier, not the norm. There’s absolutely no reason based on the evidence to expect 18.4 won’t drop in early April, and we have many good reasons to believe it will. Apple said it’s coming in early April, it is very likely coming in early April…
iOS 18.4 will definitely come in April but I think it might be bare bones
 
So much speculations in this speculation thread! 😅

Now backing up my phone on my Mac, just in case the beta will be available AND I am brave enough to install it....
 
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I’m not saying anything regarding the accuracy of Gurman right now. I’m saying that with the nearly month long gap, it’s common sense that the software has ran into delays. Unless it’s a holiday, Apple rarely goes more than a few days without an active beta cycle going.

Clearly, for whatever reason, they thought people shouldn’t be testing 18.4 beta for the past few weeks. And the reason that makes the most sense to me is that it’s very buggy, and they expanded beta testing to everyone for free the past couple years, so they don’t want it to cause issues on everyone’s iPhone.
Lots of people expected there would be a gap, if they would have started beta testing for 18.4 right after 18.3 dropped, they would have been running through like 9-10 betas, which wouldn’t have made much sense. A gap was expected. Not this long of a gap, granted, but a 4-5 beta cycle (what we would have if they start betas today) is not uncommon at all. Also, it could simply be they didn’t want to spoil the action button Visual Intelligence functionality ahead of the iPhone 16e release. Maybe there are some other hardware specs and stuff referenced in the code that would have spoiled the iPhone 16e, like code for their new C1 modem chip. There’s plenty of reasons they could have decided to wait this long other than running into major bugs. It’s certainly possible it was slightly delayed due to bugs, but we just don’t know, and Apple could have always planned on dropping the 18.4 beta later in the first place and there’s no delay at all. We just don’t know. What we do know, is that Apple is saying there will be new Apple Intelligence features available in early April, and that’s extremely likely to be the case…
 
I’m not saying anything regarding the accuracy of Gurman right now. I’m saying that with the nearly month long gap, it’s common sense that the software has ran into delays. Unless it’s a holiday, Apple rarely goes more than a few days without an active beta cycle going.

Clearly, for whatever reason, they thought people shouldn’t be testing 18.4 beta for the past few weeks. And the reason that makes the most sense to me is that it’s very buggy, and they expanded beta testing to everyone for free the past couple years, so they don’t want it to cause issues on everyone’s iPhone.
Since when is a beta very buggy? The delay has nothing to do with that. A seed just adds features/changes.
 
iOS 18.4 will definitely come in April but I think it might be bare bones
It may be “bare bones” compared to Gurman’s claims, but it should definitely include some new Apple Intelligence features, and probably some other OS features as well not part of Apple Intelligence. But we basically know there will be new Apple Intelligence features available in April. How “big” or “bare bones” they would be is totally up for question, but I don’t think there’s much reason to question that we will get something new for Apple Intelligence in early April. 👍🏻
 
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Since when is a beta very buggy? The delay has nothing to do with that. A seed just adds features/changes.
Exactly. I question whether there’s even been a “delay” in the first place. Apple usually has these things scheduled and planned out. Is it possible it’s been delayed? Maybe. But the only reason to think it’s been delayed is Gurman’s claims, and Gurman has been wrong on all of his claims about 18.4 so far.
 
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