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iOS 18: These iPhones Won't Support New Apple Intelligence AI Features
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If you watch Dr Who the latest episode dealt with that and other subjects.
Making good money and gouging customers are too entirely different things. If you not selling your shares now, you'll wish you had.
Everyone with an iPhone 15 (not pro) or 14 or 13 is all worried. Keep in mind this site is called Mac “rumors”, not Mac “for certains”. Also the article has the word, “likely” in the title. Maybe some of the things wont run offline on device, but maybe more will require some cloud access. It will be fine. No one will die. And if it turns out to be super egregious, there’ll be a class action lawsuit and we’ll all get $0.39 cents and a lawyer will make a billion. Or maybe congress will get involved.
It seems pretty suspicious that they’re saying Macs would need an M1 but Macs will need an A17? Kinda doubt that. Maybe SOME features will require an A17 but I would be shocked if most feature won’t at least run on an iPhone 12 as I’m pretty sure that’s the one that came with the A14.
The M1 was based off the A14 and while it’s a beefier boy I think most of the things that would require an M1 could also run on the A14 with only the possibility that it might not be able to reach the same top speed.
Sometimes Apple won’t release new features for older devices due to the chips inside not being able to do them well. But I suspect all but the most impressive features will run on all devices unless they just couldn’t.
Apple held off on releasing the newer Home Screen layouts because they planned on supporting older iPads that couldn’t do all the tricks that year.
Also they’ve been reported to be putting tons of resources into server farms for AI. I suspect that part of that is to allow older iPads and iPhones to offload some things to the cloud.
Yeah some of the most impressive on device stuff will require newer chips but I doubt that the majority of major features will.
The M1 was based off the A14 and while it’s a beefier boy I think most of the things that would require an M1 could also run on the A14 with only the possibility that it might not be able to reach the same top speed.
Sometimes Apple won’t release new features for older devices due to the chips inside not being able to do them well. But I suspect all but the most impressive features will run on all devices unless they just couldn’t.
Apple held off on releasing the newer Home Screen layouts because they planned on supporting older iPads that couldn’t do all the tricks that year.
Also they’ve been reported to be putting tons of resources into server farms for AI. I suspect that part of that is to allow older iPads and iPhones to offload some things to the cloud.
Yeah some of the most impressive on device stuff will require newer chips but I doubt that the majority of major features will.
Tired of new phones getting new features? Wow... almost as if every device maker does this... 🙄
They aren't worried. It's all features they either won't have used or will just be a tad slower. All of the "on-device" tasks can still be performed on the server for other devices.
Much of it is common sense. Would enabling AI features on old devices allow Apple to sell more new iPhones? No.
When was the last time Apple added a significantly new camera feature to last year's iPhone models? Never.
Apple is unlikely to allow free cloud processing for old devices. They probably spent billions building the farms. They're not going to allow iPhone XR and iPhone 16 users to both share that resource.
My daily morning walks are a few nearby city parks, and I see the same alienated behavior.
In many cases, these zombies constantly check their "social" media (that I use to call "asocial" media).
A while ago we were in a coffee shop. Next to us was a group of women that were having some sort of reunion. Well, I should say at least two of them. The rest was just on their smart phones.
I was thaught that humans were the intelligent creatures of this world. I dare to doubt that nowadays.
If this assumption is actually true, the Apple AI is a failure from the start.
This is not Apple releasing a must have technology or Apple paywalling a minor but cool feature so that the ‘all Apple crowd’ jumps on a new device.
This is Apple playing catch up on an omnipresent technology trend (or fad) in order to not be left behind.
If they lock these to the most recent and most expensive devices only, it’ll be years before people will get to use these features by which time, they will be irrelevant (coming from Apple).
AI tech is not an Apple innovation that the world is dying to use, people are already using it without Apple bringing anything to the table at all.
This is not Apple releasing a must have technology or Apple paywalling a minor but cool feature so that the ‘all Apple crowd’ jumps on a new device.
This is Apple playing catch up on an omnipresent technology trend (or fad) in order to not be left behind.
If they lock these to the most recent and most expensive devices only, it’ll be years before people will get to use these features by which time, they will be irrelevant (coming from Apple).
AI tech is not an Apple innovation that the world is dying to use, people are already using it without Apple bringing anything to the table at all.
LOL---
"These older iPhones in the list below won't fully support the new iOS---We have condensed the list to alleviate confusion:
A)---all iPhones"
"These older iPhones in the list below won't fully support the new iOS---We have condensed the list to alleviate confusion:
A)---all iPhones"
What is there to be upset about if you aren’t even using an iPhone anymore since a year ago? Seems you’d be covered if you upgrade to an iPhone, or be in the same situation if staying with current device or upgrading to another non-iPhone .
I’m confused by the comment so asking for clarification, not attacking, just fyi.
"Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice shame on me" he learned his lesson and now living apple free. You want to give apple a second chance, that's up to you.
That quote… I guess that sort of answers the question, but I don’t see where we are being fooled. Me, I wouldn’t upgrade at all. You’re in an arguably worse situation buying a new phone and still not getting the expected feature on an iPhone. But a better situation by getting rid of the anxiety that your device will get ‘left behind’.
But I don’t upgrade often and the person I responded to seems to upgrade yearly so our expectations are different. My device timeline FWIW: iPhone 4 > 6S > XR > 13 Pro.
I missed out on Siri with the 4S… I suppose that’s similar to this rumored on-device AI hardware lock. When you buy a device it’s almost guaranteed that the next device will have exclusive flagship features that won’t be announced for a year. That’s a big reason I don’t upgrade each year.
If they are hardware locking things that could (should) be a software add, that’s a massively valid complaint, and that might be what this turns out to be, like the aforementioned Siri, or Stage Manager on a certain iPad or Mac recently (don’t recall).
I really don’t care. I’ve got an iPhone 14 and really don’t want AI
Apple is planning a major AI overhaul in iOS 18, with a feature set it is referring to as "Apple Intelligence." However, these new features will not work on older iPhones, even if they do appear on the new operating system's device compatibility list.
Apple's initial AI roadmap for iOS 18 is said to come in two parts: Basic AI features that will be processed on-device, and more advanced capabilities that will require communication with Apple's servers.
At the heart of many of the new Apple Intelligence features is a redesigned Siri. To that end, Apple engineers have had to rearchitect Siri's underlying software using large language models (LLMs), the algorithm that underpins generative AI.
According to Bloomberg's Mark Gurman, this will allow Siri to do things like open specific documents, organize notes in folders, delete an email, summarize an article, email a web link, and more. Apple reportedly plans to use AI to analyze what people are doing on their devices to automatically enable these features.
Apple's own LLM is expected to handle what are deemed basic AI tasks, and it will be entirely on-device. In other words, the model is powered by the iPhone's processor, rather than in the cloud. It's not clear what the criteria for a basic task will be, but the LLM is said to include code that determines if a request can be processed on device or requires Apple's servers.
According to Gurman, the on-device AI capabilities will largely require an iPhone 15 Pro or later to work. Meanwhile, rumors suggest iOS 18 will be compatible with the same iPhone models as iOS 17. Combining the two reports, we should therefore expect the following iPhone models to run iOS 18, but lack support for some of Apple's on-device AI features:
- iPhone 15
- iPhone 15 Plus
- iPhone 14
- iPhone 14 Plus
- iPhone 14 Pro
- iPhone 14 Pro Max
- iPhone 13
- iPhone 13 mini
- iPhone 13 Pro
- iPhone 13 Pro Max
- iPhone 12
- iPhone 12 mini
- iPhone 12 Pro
- iPhone 12 Pro Max
- iPhone 11
- iPhone 11 Pro
- iPhone 11 Pro Max
- iPhone XS
- iPhone XS Max
- iPhone XR
- iPhone SE (2nd generation)
- iPhone SE (3rd generation)
Both iPadOS 18 and macOS 15 are expected to share many of the same AI features, and Gurman has said that Macs and iPads will need at least an M1 chip for the on-device AI capabilities. In other words, Apple silicon Macs are the requirement for on-device AI in macOS 15 (ruling out Intel Macs), while anything older than the fifth-generation iPad Pro will not support on-device AI features in iPadOS 18.
While it's not entirely clear which hardware factor is the key requirement for Apple's on-device AI, it's worth noting that (non-supported) standard iPhone 15 models have 6GB of RAM, while the supported Pro models have 8GB of RAM. Likewise, all Apple Silicon iPads and Macs come with a minimum of 8GB. Even when scaled back for narrow use cases, LLMs require a lot of working memory due to the sheer number of parameters involved, so this could be where Apple is coming up against the hardware limitations of its own devices.
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I am just wondering, how many people would buy a fancy new iPhone just for the AI features?
Most people buy new iPhone when they run out contract or old iPhone no longer work. I highly doubt the exclusive AI features will create big demand on new iPhone.
Most people buy new iPhone when they run out contract or old iPhone no longer work. I highly doubt the exclusive AI features will create big demand on new iPhone.
Just because they are not living their life the way you would prefer you doubt their intelligence?
If you’re so tired of this, stop buying a new phone every year chasing perfection that will never arrive
I was also wondering this too, so just looked into the Neural Engine performance of the A17 Pro vs the A16, didn't realise it was over double:
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Put together the below data sheet to look for some commonality. Looks like Apple Intelligence support might come down to GPU Performance (TFLOPS / Metal Score) or failing that 8GB RAM might also be a requirement. At least I can see why the A16 and earlier don't support it now.
Apple Chips by GPU TFLOPS:
M2 - iPad Pro/Air
8 Core CPU, 9 Core GPU, 8GB RAM
Multi-Core Score 9600~
Metal Score 42000
15.8 TOPS (3.6 GPU)
M1 - iPad Pro/Air
8 Core CPU, 8 Core GPU, 8GB RAM
Multi-Core Score 8200~
Metal Score 32000
11 TOPS (2.6 GPU)
A17 Pro - iPhone 15Pro
6 Core CPU, 6 Core GPU, 8GB RAM
Multi-Core Score 7200~
Metal Score 27000
35 TOPS (2.15 GPU)
A16 - iPhone 14Pro/15/15Plus
6 Core CPU, 5 Core GPU, 6GB RAM
Multi-Core Score 6400~
Metal Score 22500
17 TOPS (1.79 GPU)
A15 - iPhone 13Pro/14/14Plus
6 Core CPU, 5 Core GPU, 6GB RAM
Multi-Core Score 5500~
Metal Score 20200
15.8 TOPS (1.71 GPU)
A15 - iPhone 13/13Mini
6 Core CPU, 4 Core GPU, 4GB RAM
Multi-Core Score 5200~
Metal Score 17300
15.8 TOPS (1.5 GPU)
The question I have is will the iphone 15 pro run the AI capabilities slower due to the previous years chip or will it run at the same speed as the newer phones.
Apple Intelligence won't be available in the EU this year and i don't thing the first half of 2025. So i don't care, Apple is to my opinion falling behind, Google and others are working in the EU.
We will see but I also highly doubt it.
When we see Apple Intelligence in the EU we already talking about the iPhone 17 and iOS 19…