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Digital Skunk

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Dec 23, 2006
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I don't get it either. The only time I can see the need to check the weather is in the morning,at night or if you're going on a trip somewhere. If its the later then there are much better apps that will give you a better view of what it will be like.

Having the weather in the NC is the perfect place. Out of the way but there when I need it.

If widgets are going to be in the next big update. They need to be scrollable in spotlight. I can't see anything that a widget could come in handy for that isn't already implemented in NC and especially NC that's jailbroken.

Android is horrible about organization. Yes ,4.0 fixes some of this with folders but it's still not up with iOS.

Launch pad is already on the iPhone. It's called the springboard. OSX emulates this with launch pad. Not the other way around.

Folders were in Android long before iOS, as was the notification system and OTA updates, all things that made Android far better at organizing apps and home screens. Plus in Android you can remove default apps from you screen entirely and have a blank homescreen. Things you cant do with iOS.

Thank god this is only a concept, and not a real visual of what I'd like to see OS 6 to be. But it's pretty close.

You're going to get a lot of users that don't want Apple to move forward with OS design. There are things in both platforms worth having. Some won't bother moving past the stale OS that Apples had since 2005.
 

Drunken Master

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Jul 19, 2011
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Android is horrible about organization. Yes ,4.0 fixes some of this with folders but it's still not up with iOS.

Agreed, it seems like one needs to root and ROM the hell out of an Android phone and customize it to get some decent, clean organization.

I used someone's Android phone last night when they asked me to put my number in; it accidentally locked when I left it alone and then I went back in and justing the OS was kind of a mess.

Hey, that rhymes!
 

Digital Skunk

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Dec 23, 2006
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Agreed, it seems like one needs to root and ROM the hell out of an Android phone and customize it to get some decent, clean organization.

I used someone's Android phone last night when they asked me to put my number in; it accidentally locked when I left it alone and then I went back in and justing the OS was kind of a mess.

Hey, that rhymes!

Rooting and ROMing go hand and hand with Jailbreaking. It seems from these forums alone that iPhone users need to do more to customize and get more out of their handsets than Android users. It's actually a selling point for Apple that you have less features and customization to worry about.

Your comment is kind of a mess, like you just posted to say something bad about Android and not add to the conversation.

Did you miss the past 5 years or something?
 

sk1wbw

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I don't think there's a big problem with the Springboard. The lockscreen, however, has a ton of wasted real estate. Something has to be done there in the future.
 

Jare

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Jun 17, 2010
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Updated to show links to news articles that have linked to this thread and new lockscreen.
 
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Drunken Master

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Rooting and ROMing go hand and hand with Jailbreaking. It seems from these forums alone that iPhone users need to do more to customize and get more out of their handsets than Android users. It's actually a selling point for Apple that you have less features and customization to worry about.

Your comment is kind of a mess, like you just posted to say something bad about Android and not add to the conversation.

Did you miss the past 5 years or something?

It seems to me that iPhone users and Android users want to customize their OSs, we don't need to do anything in life.

None of this changes the fact that Android's UI is organized like ******, but that's just my opinion, man.
 
A lot of people are giving there opinions, I'll throw in my 2 cents.

Overall, decent concept, that breathes a little more "newness" into the OS feel. But in the end IMO it ultimately only makes the OS more complicated, require more presses to get where you want, and reduces usability.

Firstly, I really like the idea of having the weather widget (optionally) on the lock screen. I would like for Apple to open up it's widget API to developers to create their own widgets. Then allow the user to be able to select which widgets (maybe with a 2/3 max) are displayed on the lockscreen.

Unfortunately, that's ultimately the only thing I truely like about your design.

Do you really think that a single weather widget is more important the the THIRTEEN app slots that you lose as a result of this design(included the slot taken by launchpad)? And what does it really add? There is already the weather widget on the lockscreen per your design, plus the weather widget is already a single swipe away from any screen on the OS. Sure you can argue that in iOS6 you it could be opened up to any 3rd party widgets, and you could fit up to 3 widgets in that space. That would be a valid point, but I still don't personally see any 3 widgets being more important that 13 apps for my needs. I understand that different peoples cases vary, but I just don't see Apple throwing widgets down our throats quite so much. Especially when the money has been in the apps.

Also, in your concept, launchpad simply becomes a giant folder that you can put tons of apps in. So not only is it an extra touch to access, but it provides more difficultly in move apps from homescreen to launchpad and vice versa. Another terrible thing is that when you are in launchpad you lose your dock! And is there meant to be multiple pages on your homescreen? Because that seems like a giant clusterduck to have multiple pages on your homescreen, then multiple pages in your launchpad. The whole thing just takes away from the ease and simplicity that I love about iOS.

You also have to think about widget scalability. Meaning, if Apple allows more 3rd party widgets where will they all reside in your scheme? You could fit up to 3 on your homescreen, but that's about it. Can they scroll left and right? Seems like that could become a bit confusing also. Would you have to use a new location altogether? If so, I really don't see the point of having this location in the first place.

In that regard, If Apple adds 3rd party widgets in iOS6, I can see 3 potential locations they would reside. To the left of your home screen (the search screen). In notification center. And in the multitasking tray. I'll step through each of them for usability (this is a bit of a sidenote/creative thought that I am constructing as I write this)

Search screen: This would be right in line with OS X Lion, so seems like a real posibility. Of course in this scenario, I'd imagine that search would be moved somewhere else (notification center?). This screen would allow for unlimited (ok Apple would probably limit it. So lets say 5-10) virtical scrolling of widgets. Instead of tap to go to app (as in current widgets), a tap would simply expand to more info. Imagine a twitter widget showing the last 2 tweets, but a tap expanded it to 10. An additional tap would close it. The widget bar would contain the app icon on the left side (like current notifications). A tap here (in expanded or closed state) would actually open the full app. To return to the homescreen simply hit the home button or swipe to the left, just as is currently the case with the search screen.​

Notification center: This is where Apple already keeps it's two widgets, so maybe this would be the more appropriate location for all the widgets. But is this location truely scalable? Throwing 5-10 widgets in here would completely hide your notifications. Thus, if this were to occur, Apple would need to change the location on your notifications. But I don't see Apple doing that. Therefore, I don't think this would happen.​

Multitasking tray/recently used bar: One thing that has always bugged me about this is that it uses less than 1/5th of your screen, but the rest of the screen isn't used for jack squat. So in iOS6 the rest of the screen could be used for widgets. I would imagine all the same functionality as I described above for the search screen. An added perk is that this screen would be available from anywhere in the OS. You can be in your fb app, quickly check your twitter widget, then go straight back to your fb app. ( Remember, to access the search screen you need to be on your springboard AND on the first page. That seems a bit cumbersome to me.) The disadvantage of this method is Apple could see it as being a bit cluttered and disjointed. There is a bit of disharmony in combining these two functions. Also, you would lose the ability to tap virtually anywhere on the screen to return. You would need to use the home button again (a minor thing).​

Overall, after careful thought I believe the must functional location for widgets would be above the multi tray, although I honestly think it's more likely for apple to put it in the search screen location.

Sorry for the long post.
 

Jare

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Jun 17, 2010
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A lot of people are giving there opinions, I'll throw in my 2 cents.

Overall, decent concept, that breathes a little more "newness" into the OS feel. But in the end IMO it ultimately only makes the OS more complicated, require more presses to get where you want, and reduces usability.

Firstly, I really like the idea of having the weather widget (optionally) on the lock screen. I would like for Apple to open up it's widget API to developers to create their own widgets. Then allow the user to be able to select which widgets (maybe with a 2/3 max) are displayed on the lockscreen.

Unfortunately, that's ultimately the only thing I truely like about your design.

Do you really think that a single weather widget is more important the the THIRTEEN app slots that you lose as a result of this design(included the slot taken by launchpad)? And what does it really add? There is already the weather widget on the lockscreen per your design, plus the weather widget is already a single swipe away from any screen on the OS. Sure you can argue that in iOS6 you it could be opened up to any 3rd party widgets, and you could fit up to 3 widgets in that space. That would be a valid point, but I still don't personally see any 3 widgets being more important that 13 apps for my needs. I understand that different peoples cases vary, but I just don't see Apple throwing widgets down our throats quite so much. Especially when the money has been in the apps.

Also, in your concept, launchpad simply becomes a giant folder that you can put tons of apps in. So not only is it an extra touch to access, but it provides more difficultly in move apps from homescreen to launchpad and vice versa. Another terrible thing is that when you are in launchpad you lose your dock! And is there meant to be multiple pages on your homescreen? Because that seems like a giant clusterduck to have multiple pages on your homescreen, then multiple pages in your launchpad. The whole thing just takes away from the ease and simplicity that I love about iOS.

You also have to think about widget scalability. Meaning, if Apple allows more 3rd party widgets where will they all reside in your scheme? You could fit up to 3 on your homescreen, but that's about it. Can they scroll left and right? Seems like that could become a bit confusing also. Would you have to use a new location altogether? If so, I really don't see the point of having this location in the first place.

In that regard, If Apple adds 3rd party widgets in iOS6, I can see 3 potential locations they would reside. To the left of your home screen (the search screen). In notification center. And in the multitasking tray. I'll step through each of them for usability (this is a bit of a sidenote/creative thought that I am constructing as I write this)

Search screen: This would be right in line with OS X Lion, so seems like a real posibility. Of course in this scenario, I'd imagine that search would be moved somewhere else (notification center?). This screen would allow for unlimited (ok Apple would probably limit it. So lets say 5-10) virtical scrolling of widgets. Instead of tap to go to app (as in current widgets), a tap would simply expand to more info. Imagine a twitter widget showing the last 2 tweets, but a tap expanded it to 10. An additional tap would close it. The widget bar would contain the app icon on the left side (like current notifications). A tap here (in expanded or closed state) would actually open the full app. To return to the homescreen simply hit the home button or swipe to the left, just as is currently the case with the search screen.​

Notification center: This is where Apple already keeps it's two widgets, so maybe this would be the more appropriate location for all the widgets. But is this location truely scalable? Throwing 5-10 widgets in here would completely hide your notifications. Thus, if this were to occur, Apple would need to change the location on your notifications. But I don't see Apple doing that. Therefore, I don't think this would happen.​

Multitasking tray/recently used bar: One thing that has always bugged me about this is that it uses less than 1/5th of your screen, but the rest of the screen isn't used for jack squat. So in iOS6 the rest of the screen could be used for widgets. I would imagine all the same functionality as I described above for the search screen. An added perk is that this screen would be available from anywhere in the OS. You can be in your fb app, quickly check your twitter widget, then go straight back to your fb app. ( Remember, to access the search screen you need to be on your springboard AND on the first page. That seems a bit cumbersome to me.) The disadvantage of this method is Apple could see it as being a bit cluttered and disjointed. There is a bit of disharmony in combining these two functions. Also, you would lose the ability to tap virtually anywhere on the screen to return. You would need to use the home button again (a minor thing).​

Overall, after careful thought I believe the must functional location for widgets would be above the multi tray, although I honestly think it's more likely for apple to put it in the search screen location.

Sorry for the long post.

Thanks for the input, I appreciate comments like this.

I agree with a few of your points, but not all. I'll expand this post when I re-write it, which may take awhile lol.
 
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Digital Skunk

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Dec 23, 2006
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In my imagination
It seems to me that iPhone users and Android users want to customize their OSs, we don't need to do anything in life.

None of this changes the fact that Android's UI is organized like ******, but that's just my opinion, man.

Opinions aside, Apple has already taken pages out of Android and WebOS for iOS 5. Pages that did include simplifying and streamlining the UI specifically. Opinions are fantastic, but anyone could see that Apple's UI was indeed a bit stale and behind the curve.

I reiterate, not removing the standard apps from the homescreen is just insane . . . my opinion . . . but something that even Android and WebOS allowed a user to do for better organization.

The system settings in Android . . . YES, they are all over the place. Applications and icons on the homescreen . . . . Apple needs to fix that eye-sore soon.
 

mattraehl

macrumors 6502
Feb 26, 2005
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I will never understand the obsession with putting weather on the lock screen. How often in a day do people need to check the temperature? It's only two swipes away.
 
Thanks for the input, I appreciate comments like this.

I agree with a few of your points, but not all. I'll expand this post when I re-write it, which may take awhile lol.

No prob. Also, just to be clear. I'm only arguing against Apple implementing a iOS wide change like that in iOS 6. I agree that some people may like it and you can provide that for some jailbroken iPhones.

I will never understand the obsession with putting weather on the lock screen. How often in a day do people need to check the temperature? It's only two swipes away.

one swipe.... :confused:
 

mattraehl

macrumors 6502
Feb 26, 2005
384
1
It's one swipe with many handsets.
I understand, I'm saying it surprises me that people check the temperature enough times in a day that they view two swipes vs one swipe as an issue. It just doesn't seem like a good use case to optimize for in my opinion.
 

kdarling

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The system settings in Android . . . YES, they are all over the place.

I can only think of Android Settings for global stuff, and the Launcher's settings menu for its stuff.

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What I think was a goof in iOS was letting applications put settings in Settings. I've had to help a lot of iOS users who had no idea that the setting for the app they were using was waaaaaaaaaay off somewhere else. It doesn't even make sense.

For example, when you want to clear history on a browser, on most devices you just:
  • Click the options menu within that browser.
  • Find and click Clear Cache

With iOS, I have to:
  • Click the Home button to quit Safari,
  • Go find and launch the Settings app.
  • Find and click the Safari section.
  • Find and click clear cache.
  • Click the Home button to quit Settings.
  • Find and relaunch Safari.

It's just silly to put an app's specific options in another application.
 
With iOS, I have to:
  • Click the Home button to quit Safari,
  • Go find and launch the Settings app.
  • Find and click the Safari section.
  • Find and click clear cache.
  • Click the Home button to quit Settings.
  • Find and relaunch Safari.

It's just silly to put an app's specific options in another application.

I agree that's pretty dumb, although most 3rd party apps include their own settings within the app. It's just apple that forces you to use the settings app. Also you exagerated a bit with the last two steps. Double click and boom there it is. No quitting or finding required.
 

kdarling

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I agree that's pretty dumb, although most 3rd party apps include their own settings within the app.

They tend to do so now. Originally Apple wanted everything in the App section of the master Settings icon.

Later they said to developers, "“iPhone applications can offer settings that define preferred application behaviors or configuration options users can set to change some functionality of the application. Settings that define preferred application behaviors... are accessible in the built-in Settings application. Configuration options should be available within the application context...”

Which was even more confusing since that meant settings would be split up between the app and Settings. Woof.

It's clear that the iPhone UX designers just didn't foresee gazillions of third party apps at first. Not their fault, since Jobs originally said there would be none.

Also you exagerated a bit with the last two steps. Double click and boom there it is. No quitting or finding required.

That's because I have so many old iOS devices around and rarely think about double-clicking :)

Same thing with Android; I don't always remember to hold down the Home button to see recently used apps... but then, I don't have to worry about that as much with Android vs iOS, because the Back key remembers my app context for me and goes back to the most recently used.
 

mattraehl

macrumors 6502
Feb 26, 2005
384
1
There are some pros and cons here.

The strength of the Android menu button is that you always know how to get to the app settings - you hit the menu button. The weakness is that you have an extra button there all the time (whether it be hardware or software).

Having settings all centralized in one place means each app can worry about one less thing to cram into it's interface. Settings should generally be something that the user "sets" to a specific preference and doesn't really go back to often. So there is a point in favor of not having an "always-there" button for acess to "not often" settings.

The problem in iOS is that some apps put their settings in the Settings app, and some in the app itself - it's the worst of both worlds because for any given app if you're trying to determine if there is some kind of configurable setting, you have to look in the app's UI as well as the Settings app to determine this. Personally I would prefer if Apple made a bigger push to get all apps to put their settings inside the Settings app - so you always know where to go, and apps don't need to clutter up their interface with access to settings.

In this particular case, it could be argued that clearing the browser history isn't a setting at all - it's an action. The only justification for putting it within settings is that it's an infrequent action. For me this is true - I never use this function. But I can certainly understand why those who use it with any regularity would find it strange to have to navigate out of an app to manipulate the app's data. The upshot in this specific case is that the Safari UI is cleaner and presents only the essential actions for web browsing.
 

Digital Skunk

macrumors G3
Dec 23, 2006
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I understand, I'm saying it surprises me that people check the temperature enough times in a day that they view two swipes vs one swipe as an issue. It just doesn't seem like a good use case to optimize for in my opinion.

True. I feel that way about my agenda though. I need to get at it quick most days

I can only think of Android Settings for global stuff, and the Launcher's settings menu for its stuff.

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What I think was a goof in iOS was letting applications put settings in Settings. I've had to help a lot of iOS users who had no idea that the setting for the app they were using was waaaaaaaaaay off somewhere else. It doesn't even make sense.

For example, when you want to clear history on a browser, on most devices you just:
  • Click the options menu within that browser.
  • Find and click Clear Cache

With iOS, I have to:
  • Click the Home button to quit Safari,
  • Go find and launch the Settings app.
  • Find and click the Safari section.
  • Find and click clear cache.
  • Click the Home button to quit Settings.
  • Find and relaunch Safari.

It's just silly to put an app's specific options in another application.

Hmm. All good points, and another example to use for how Apple could really work on it's organization.
 
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