iOS 7 Changes Mostly Cosmetic - More opportunity for Android to get further ahead?

[Tinmania]

I quite agree that this "Android is better, there is no room for debate" attitude is off-putting, and not conductive to open discussion.

Yikes let me clarify about that phrase I used. I was under the impression that Android being further ahead meant as far as market-share was concerned. I may have bolded the wrong sentence.

I did not mean there is no room for debate about which is better for me vs. someone else. That is subjective.




Michael

 

[Night Spring]

Yikes let me clarify about that phrase I used. I was under the impression that Android being further ahead meant as far as market-share was concerned. I may have bolded the wrong sentence.

I did not mean there is no room for debate about which is better for me vs. someone else. That is subjective.

Oh dear. It never occurred to me that the "getting ahead" could be seen as in reference to market share. I always thought we were talking about "getting ahead" as in adding more features.

Sorry about the misunderstanding, I'm glad we did get it cleared up!

 

[Irishman]

Okay let's make this perfectly clear since this seems to be a point of contention:

Of course there exists people who buy the iPhone because they genuinely want to! Can this red herring be put to rest? Sensitive much?

Can we talk about ios now and what could be ios 7?

It's not a red herring when YOU brought it up that Apple will fool iPhone buyers by luring them in with marketing.

Don't say things you don't mean and you'll get along fine on the internet. Unless your goal with this thread was to get attention, in which case you succeeded.

Words mean things.

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Yikes let me clarify about that phrase I used. I was under the impression that Android being further ahead meant as far as market-share was concerned. I may have bolded the wrong sentence.

I did not mean there is no room for debate about which is better for me vs. someone else. That is subjective.




Michael

Yes, Android dominates the free-mobile OS marketshare.

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Being a multi-platform user myself, I don't think Couch gets attacked because of WHAT he's trying to point out, just the WAY he goes about doing so.

It's all very over-the-top. And in this particular case, WAY too early to be getting all bent out of shape over a rumor we all should've known was coming given Ive's new role.

Agreed. He's too smart not to know what he's doing. It's the web forum equivalent of link-bait that bloggers and journalists do. A sensational title gets click-throughs.

 

[onthecouchagain]

It's not a red herring when YOU brought it up that Apple will fool iPhone buyers by luring them in with marketing.

Don't say things you don't mean and you'll get along fine on the internet. Unless your goal with this thread was to get attention, in which case you succeeded.

Words mean things.

At no point do I say iOS 7 is disappointing. How would I know that? Please read the OP again for all those saying I'm reacting to something that doesn't exist yet. I'm perfectly aware. This is a rumor's site. Are we not allowed to discuss rumors? Again, I hope these rumors don't pan out and iOS 7 brings more than just a "flatter" design.

Also, to continue on my point earlier, when I say something like "people will be duped by Apple's marketing," do I really have to put a disclaimer every time that I obviously don't mean every single iPhone buyer? C'mon now. How could I (or anyone, for that matter) claim to know the minds of millions of people? That'd be ridiculous.

However, there are some of us who, when we heard 'Jon Ivy is going to overhaul iOS 7" a few months ago, got hopeful. This is the first time we've seen a major shift from within Apple. Forestall got kicked out, Ivy got put in, some big changes would be coming. The big question was, what sort of changes? Can we not have a discussion about a recent article/rumor that might give us a potential answer, and that that answer might dash our excitement and hopes for iOS 7? Can this not be discussed?

People are free to continue with the red herrings or non-sequiturs and straw man arguments if they'd like. Others are interested in discussing the potentials of iOS and Apple allowing it to be realized. Again, look to the jailbreak community. They are figuring it out faster than Apple is willing to. iOS could be so much more.

And it should.

I guess I do have to use disclaimers for some people... =T

 

[Night Spring]

I guess I do have to use disclaimers for some people... =T

Might I point out that it doesn't take a huge effort to put in "disclaimers"?

Instead of saying, "people will be duped by Apple's marketing," just say, "some people will be duped..." Or maybe even "many people will be duped..." Done.

 

[Irishman]

I guess I do have to use disclaimers for some people... =T

Or you could just write what you mean the first time? This is not your first day on the internet. You know enough about the English language to know how words work.

 

[onthecouchagain]

Might I point out that it doesn't take a huge effort to put in "disclaimers"?

Instead of saying, "people will be duped by Apple's marketing," just say, "some people will be duped..." Or maybe even "many people will be duped..." Done.

I don't know how anyone can think I know the minds of all of the millions of iPhone buyers, but fair enough. I will try to be clearer next time.

 

[Night Spring]

I don't know how anyone can think I know the minds of all of the millions of iPhone buyers, but fair enough. I will try to be clearer next time.

Well of course nobody knows the minds of millions of other people, but both the internet and real life are full of stupid people who think they do, or who don't distinguish between their minds and other people's. The disclaimer/clarification is to ensure that you don't get mistaken for one of those stupid people. That way, your thread wouldn't get derailed from its original topic by people jumping up to point out how stupid you are.

 

[onthecouchagain]

Well of course nobody knows the minds of millions of other people, but both the internet and real life are full of stupid people who think they do, or who don't distinguish between their minds and other people's. The disclaimer/clarification is to ensure that you don't get mistaken for one of those stupid people. That way, your thread wouldn't get derailed from its original topic by people jumping up to point out how stupid you are.

You seem to agree it's rather obvious no one can speak for or know the minds of millions of people, yet I have to be the one to cater to their stupidity (as you call it)?

Isn't it a possibility that some people are using red herrings to avoid discussing iOS' shortcomings? Red herrings which I've pointed out which successfully derail the conversation? Now the focus is on semantics instead of the disappointing news that Ivy's hand in revamping iOS is mostly cosmetic.

Successful tactics are successful, I guess.

 

[Night Spring]

You seem to agree it's rather obvious no one can speak for or know the minds of millions of people, yet I have to be the one to cater to their stupidity (as you call it)?

That's not what I said, but if you can't understand my point after rereading my previous post, I'm not sure how I can explain myself any clearer.

Isn't it a possibility that some people are using red herrings to avoid discussing iOS' shortcomings? Red herrings which I've pointed out which successfully derail the conversation? Now the focus is on semantics instead of the disappointing news that Ivy's hand in revamping iOS is mostly cosmetic.

It is true that some people in any thread could at any time try to purposefully derail a topic. I can only speak for myself when I say it's not *my* intention to derail the topic of this thread. However, I find that I don't have much to say about the "news" of Ive's influence or lack thereof on iOS, firstly because there just isn't much detail to go on. And second, as I may have mentioned previously, personally, I wouldn't feel disappointed if Ive's influence is on design only. After all, he's a design guy, that's what he's there for. I assume the guy in charge of iOS coding, whose name I can never remember how to spell, will be responsible for any new features added to iOS.

And even if there is not many new features added to iOS, I personally wouldn't feel disappointed. Oh, I just remembered, I would love it if they fixed the iPad music app, which is pretty much broken -- it doesn't even display the lyrics! How lame is that? And in another thread, I noticed you mentioning things like on Android you can do many things with a single tap but on iOS they take multiple taps. Sure, changing things like that would be nice, but those are just tweaks, and not having them isn't causing me to jump to Android at this point.

But I think I'm just the kind of person who gets used to one OS and then doesn't want to change. Case in point, I've been using Windows since 3.1, and while I now have an iMac and a MacBook Air, I mostly stay on Windows in bootcamp. I don't think OS X is worse than Windows, nor do I think Windows is better than OS X, it's just that all the keyboard shortcuts and other ways of doing things in Windows is now part of my muscle memory, and I don't want to bother learning to walk again, so to speak.

Also, following all these threads on whether to go with the HTC One, Galaxy S4, Galaxy Note, or some other phones doesn't make me eager to jump to Android, either. Seems like way too much thought required to pick a phone. With iPhone, there is just one model to pick in any given year. Simple. I like simple.

 

[knucklehead]

Isn't it a possibility that some people are using red herrings to avoid discussing iOS' shortcomings? Red herrings which I've pointed out which successfully derail the conversation? Now the focus is on semantics instead of the disappointing news that Ivy's hand in revamping iOS is mostly cosmetic.

Night Spring beat me to it!

I think most people know what Ive does, and that he would be in charge of the cosmetic change part of the next iOS release. There's nothing to be surprised or disappointed about ...

 

[ijohn.8.80]

Now the focus is on... the disappointing news that Ivy's hand in revamping iOS is mostly cosmetic.

I really don't want to enter the battle arena created here, but, could you substantiate this with a news feed from Apple stating this? I haven't seen any announcements along this line from the company yet.

I also hope it's something more substantial than just UI appearance updates.

 

[Switchback666]

For the love of god make sms like bitesms with quickreplys and quickcompose.

 

[The iGentleman]

same here, i dont think iOS is behind android, and with the new look it may leave android behind. hoping for da best!

Changing a look isn't going to do anything to move it ahead.

 

[SlCKB0Y]

Yes, Android dominates the free-mobile OS marketshare.

Let me fix that for you:

Yes, Android dominates the mobile OS marketshare.

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Or you could just write what you mean the first time? This is not your first day on the internet. You know enough about the English language to know how words work.

Or you could decide to assess the overall meaning of his statements instead of the literal meaning of each individual word?

 

[macrem]

As someone who uses both the latest versions of Android and iOS, it may be an opportunity for Android to catch up to iOS; however, my guess is that Android will keep piling on more features I don't need on a mobile OS that could require more overhead (instead of polishing existing features that are 1/2 baked).

 

[cnev3]

"While the look of the updated system may be surprising to some, iOS 7 is reportedly not more difficult to use than earlier versions of software platform. There is apparently no new learning curve in the same way there was no learning curve when the iPods went color. While iOS 7 does look different, its core apps and system fundamentals (like the Lock and Home screens) mostly operate in a similar fashion to how they do today."

If true, those holding out their breath for big changes to come with iOS 7 (myself included) will likely be disappointed.

Disappointing news.

No learning curve, fundamentals operate the same, but with a different look. How is that bad?

That's exactly how OSX has been for practically the last 2 decades.

If my iMac turned into a Windows 8 experience, i'd promptly list it on eBay.

Same goes for my iPhone and Android.

As far as non aesthetic features go, we can only wait and see what Apple brings to the table.

 

[Irishman]

Let me fix that for you:

Yes, Android dominates the mobile OS marketshare.

Here, let me remove the veil from your eyes. Free Android is soooo compelling that Samsung isn't developing their own mobile OS....oh, wait. Android OS is sooooo compelling that Facebook isn't taking advantage of its openness to prevent Facebook Home users from ever SEEING that UI. Oh wait...

Or you could decide to assess the overall meaning of his statements instead of the literal meaning of each individual word?

Based on his overall post history, he hates iOS and, by extension, Apple.

I decided to assess the overall meaning of his statements. Got it?

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No learning curve, fundamentals operate the same, but with a different look. How is that bad?

That's exactly how OSX has been for practically the last 2 decades.

If my iMac turned into a Windows 8 experience, i'd promptly list it on eBay.

Same goes for my iPhone and Android.

As far as non aesthetic features go, we can only wait and see what Apple brings to the table.

OSX has been out since September 13th, 2000 with the public beta release, March 24th, 2001 to the general public. More like 13 years.

 

[SlCKB0Y]

Here, let me remove the veil from your eyes. Free Android is soooo compelling that Samsung isn't developing their own mobile OS....oh, wait. Android OS is sooooo compelling that Facebook isn't taking advantage of its openness to prevent Facebook Home users from ever SEEING that UI. Oh wait...

I don't even understand what you mean. If you could explain yourself a little more literately (and is that sarcasm?) it might be helpful.

 

[LIVEFRMNYC]

I've lost complete interest in iOS. My iPad 2 is now just an alarm clock, and iP4 just a backup phone. I doubt any design change for iOS7 is going to be as drastic as those cool prototype designs all over the web.

I can't imagine what new features Apple will bring to the table. It will most likely be something that already exist on some Android phones. Phone tech has sort of peaked, so I think Apple needs to open iOS up much more in order to really win back or delay those who are moving else where.

An iOS redesign and one or two new features is only asking for plenty of criticism, IMO. I can already invision tons of "What were they thinking?" threads.

 

[onthecouchagain]

No learning curve, fundamentals operate the same, but with a different look. How is that bad?

That's exactly how OSX has been for practically the last 2 decades.

If my iMac turned into a Windows 8 experience, i'd promptly list it on eBay.

Same goes for my iPhone and Android.

As far as non aesthetic features go, we can only wait and see what Apple brings to the table.

Fair point, but OSX is far more developed and flexible than iOS, as it naturally would be since it's a computer operating system that has been out for a long time.

If iOS was anything closer to OSX (ability to make certain apps default, for example) it'd be worlds better, me thinks.

Indeed. I look forward to iOS 7's unveiling despite the rumor.

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Based on his overall post history, he hates iOS and, by extension, Apple.

This line of thought is folly. Utter folly. And it's at the expense of iOS users themselves to think this way. It's tempting and easier to point a finger and say "Apple hater!" than to admit the shortcomings of iOS, but this is a mistake.