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scjr

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...I think you're right. I agree.

I myself don't notice 5s control center lags horribly. After I disable transparency, play with CC, and enable transparency again, I can't "unsee"

:'(

I understand folks who put a premium on their devices being silky smooth. I hope they work harder at getting animation issues under control, as it would benefit all.

I just don't think it cripples iOS 9.1 in anyway. The benefits of a far superior Safari, to me, are worth putting up with some fluidity issues.

If it we're a jerk fest and didn't allow me to use me device properly, that would get my attention.
 

C DM

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What are talking about is not a bug.Its something which the entire update was supposed to fix in the first place
What my replies there were talking about is part of somewhat different discussion. You seem to be talking about something else outside of what that particular discussion is about.
 

DoctorKrabs

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And yet there are bugs that were fixed and those who experienced those bugs got something that is now better than what they had before. So clearly for them 9.1 had something worthwhile. Just because everything for everyone doesn't get addressed doesn't mean that nothing useful was there at all for anyone. What's with people only dealing in absolutes?
And at the same time I'm experiencing massive frame drops whenever i use 3D Touch on the home screen icons, switch apps, and close apps. That wasn't happening before. I also mentioned that added bug in multitasking with the missing icon. These are new bugs to 9.1. You're making it out as if 9.1 is just 9.0.2 but better. If it really was, there would be zero complaints.
 

C DM

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And at the same time I'm experiencing massive frame drops whenever i use 3D Touch on the home screen icons, switch apps, and close apps. That wasn't happening before. I also mentioned that added bug in multitasking with the missing icon. These are new bugs to 9.1. You're making it out as if 9.1 is just 9.0.2 but better. If it really was, there would be zero complaints.
Why would 9.1 improving some things from 9.0.2 somehow imply there would be zero complaints? It makes no logical sense at all. Just because some issues are fixed doesn't mean there aren't other ones that might still need fixing. Similarly just because there are other issues that didn't get fixed doesn't mean there's no value in an update in general and in particular for those who experienced issues that did actually get fixed.
 
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philipyoungg

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Electronic devices are not necessarily identical. Chips coming off the line can exhibit considerable variance, and chips that are labeled and sold as part no. XXX are not all identical. Repeat that phenomenon a few hundred or even thousand times and you will get performance variations. Until recently I hadn't thought about this in the context of computing devices, but I've been an amateur radio operator for many years and it's well known that identical radios do not, in fact, perform identically.

You have more credibility than I.

But isn't chips only affect performance then? There will be performance variable, but it won't be extreme right? (+- 4% from 6s chipgate).
 
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DoctorKrabs

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Why would 9.1 improving some things from 9.0.2 somehow imply there would be zero complaints? It makes no logical sense at all. Just because some issues are fixed doesn't mean there aren't other ones that might still need fixing. Similarly just because there are other issues that didn't get fixed doesn't mean there's no value in an update in general and in particular for those who experienced issues that did actually get fixed.
Reread my post. I am complaining about things that 9.0.2 DIDN'T have problems with as well. My entire point was that even if 9.1 only had fixes, it would be better than how it ended up by adding fixes but making a mess out of other parts. Lag is not acceptable in the first major version of an iOS running on the newest iPhone. It has never been like this before. An iPhone 5 on iOS 6 doesn't stutter during animations. An iPhone 6s (FOUR times the power of an iPhone 5) lags on iOS 9.1, and it was only decent with 9.0.2. The 6s Plus and 6 Plus have had it even worse. THAT IS NOT OKAY. Period. They're doing something wrong with the software to make it perform only good enough on their best hardware.
 

philipyoungg

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Really? You mean the ones I provided tons of times already? What's the point of providing it all again if people are just going to ignore it or twist it into something else? OK, as pointless as this is clearly becoming, someone experiencing a black screen when any app is opened. Who is going to even pretend that everyone experiences that very thing exactly like that?

Then I'll state my previous context clearly: I only discuss about performance (by performance, means animation lags, scroll stutter, spotlight delay, etc). Black screen on app, I'm experiencing it on 4s with whatsapp and several apps, don't remember have it on 5s.

If the black app screen guy experienced it, then we can also recreate it. It could be device specific, settings specific (background app refresh, reduce motion, etc), or app specific.
 

C DM

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Reread my post. I am complaining about things that 9.0.2 DIDN'T have problems with as well. My entire point was that even if 9.1 only had fixes, it would be better than how it ended up by adding fixes but making a mess out of other parts. Lag is not acceptable in the first major version of an iOS running on the newest iPhone. It has never been like this before. An iPhone 5 on iOS 6 doesn't stutter during animations. An iPhone 6s (FOUR times the power of an iPhone 5) lags on iOS 9.1, and it was only decent with 9.0.2. The 6s Plus and 6 Plus have had it even worse. THAT IS NOT OKAY. Period. They're doing something wrong with the software to make it perform only good enough on their best hardware.
Seemed like your original commentary was about 9.1 not being all that useful since in your opinion it didn't address anything worthwhile. Which is what I commented about. If you are saying you were trying to say that 9.1 created more issues than there were before, that seems to be more than what I've gotten from your original commentary, and not really something I was commenting about.
 

philipyoungg

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I understand folks who put a premium on their devices being silky smooth. I hope they work harder at getting animation issues under control, as it would benefit all.

I just don't think it cripples iOS 9.1 in anyway. The benefits of a far superior Safari, to me, are worth putting up with some fluidity issues.

If it we're a jerk fest and didn't allow me to use me device properly, that would get my attention.

Try air, mini 2/3. That's jerkfest (relative to 8.4.1).
 
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C DM

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Then I'll state my previous context clearly: I only discuss about performance (by performance, means animation lags, scroll stutter, spotlight delay, etc). Black screen on app, I'm experiencing it on 4s with whatsapp and several apps, don't remember have it on 5s.

If the black app screen guy experienced it, then we can also recreate it. It could be device specific, settings specific (background app refresh, reduce motion, etc), or app specific.
Not everyone by far experienced it or has found a way to recreate it. Again, clearly there are issues that happen to some and not others, or happen to some to a much more noticeable degree than others. If we are talking about the basic animation stutter in a few places, yes, we've already moved on from that being everywhere and perhaps just not being of much concern to a lot of people. But there has been plenty of commentary about other much more noticeable or worse issues that some have had which was also stated in absolutes as applying to everyone across the board, which is often not the case for various types of those issues.
 

DoctorKrabs

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Seemed like your original commentary was about 9.1 not being all that useful since in your opinion it didn't address anything worthwhile. Which is what I commented about. If you are saying you were trying to say that 9.1 created more issues than there were before, that seems to be more than what I've gotten from your original commentary, and not really something I was commenting about.
It's not more than my original commentary. We've been going back and forth from three of my original posts. One is about how they only fixed a few bugs out of a ton of others that are unacceptably still in 9.1, and others were about bad performance on the iPhone 6s.
 

philipyoungg

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Not everyone by far experienced it or has found a way to recreate it. Again, clearly there are issues that happen to some and not others, or happen to some to a much more noticeable degree than others. If we are talking about the basic animation stutter in a few places, yes, we've already moved on from that being everywhere and perhaps just not being of much concern to a lot of people. But there has been plenty of commentary about other much more noticeable or worse issues that some have had which was also stated in absolutes as applying to everyone across the board, which is often not the case for various types of those issues.

I guess we already agree about the performance degradation. That's my only gripe and we have both reached conclusion.
 

DoctorKrabs

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Not everyone by far experienced it or has found a way to recreate it. Again, clearly there are issues that happen to some and not others, or happen to some to a much more noticeable degree than others. If we are talking about the basic animation stutter in a few places, yes, we've already moved on from that being everywhere and perhaps just not being of much concern to a lot of people. But there has been plenty of commentary about other much more noticeable or worse issues that some have had which was also stated in absolutes as applying to everyone across the board, which is often not the case for various types of those issues.
Here's one that can be done on every single iOS 9/9.1 device, no exceptions. All you do is press the home button during animations for Notification Center.
It's been known for over a month, but not fixed with 9.1. This among other bugs.
 

C DM

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Here's one that can be done on every single iOS 9/9.1 device, no exceptions. All you do is press the home button during animations for Notification Center.
It's been known for over a month, but not fixed with 9.1. This among other bugs.
That's fine. What I have been talking about was about things outside of those. It seems that a lot of people would overlook that and take it as applying to everything and anything though, which has created a lot of unnecessary back and forth.
I guess we already agree about the performance degradation. That's my only gripe and we have both reached conclusion.
Yes, the stutter in various places has been agreed on some time ago (it mainly differs as to how people react to it). But there were various other things beyond that that would get brought up here and there--some related to stutter but to a much worse degree than typical, others related to other things--that were also implied as applying to everyone in the same way, which isn't always the case. And it seems like that's what quite a bit of back and forth has been about as people were taking it all in relation to the basic stutter in some places, which isn't what it has been about.
 

VSMacOne

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My iPhone is my work device - can't just drop it. It has stopped being my go to device. That is now a Note 5
My iPad Mini 3 has been the best consumptive choice. Starting with iOS8 I started looking for an alternative device.
Currently evaluating a Samsung Tab S2 8".

I like the Apple hardware. The lack of decent quality and the shenanigans Apple is putting users through with the last two iOS upgrades has turned me away from Apple.

Just to unconfuse some - I have a main job and I also do consulting work.

So this has turned you away but the pile of crap that is "Android updates" has not? This is what is called a double standard.
 

VSMacOne

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Here's one that can be done on every single iOS 9/9.1 device, no exceptions. All you do is press the home button during animations for Notification Center.
It's been known for over a month, but not fixed with 9.1. This among other bugs.
Not happening here on 6s Plus.
 

jamesarm97

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Mine gets sluggish and doesn't respond for seconds at a time. Also find the screen rotation is really sensitive compared to v8. More than half the time when I take it out of my pocket and unlock it the screen is rotated and I have to rotate and go back vertical, sometimes a few times. Almost like they are sensing the rotation even before you unlock the phone.

So this has turned you away but the pile of crap that is "Android updates" has not? This is what is called a double standard.
 

VSMacOne

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You need to have NC open first, then slide it back up. If you make it slide back down and hit home before it completes the animation, it will happen.
I tried my hardest. When I hit the home button it just makes NC slide back up.
 

Radon87000

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Here's one that can be done on every single iOS 9/9.1 device, no exceptions. All you do is press the home button during animations for Notification Center.
It's been known for over a month, but not fixed with 9.1. This among other bugs.
Can confirm this is happening on my 6
 

C DM

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You need to have NC open first, then slide it back up. If you make it slide back down and hit home before it completes the animation, it will happen.
It's a weird glitch--like various kinds of weird glitches existed in plenty of other iOS versions and all kinds of other software--that results in something bad, but is very unlikely to happen to users. Doesn't make it something that's OK, and it should be something that should get fixed, but can certainly make it something that doesn't get prioritized as high as many other issues which might be smaller but might affect more users more often.
 

scjr

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Here's one that can be done on every single iOS 9/9.1 device, no exceptions. All you do is press the home button during animations for Notification Center.
It's been known for over a month, but not fixed with 9.1. This among other bugs.

Is this real life usage?

I don't have any of this going on, other than minor fluidity issues. My device works for me just fine. I will give you one thing, you are or could be one heckuva a beta tester. ;)
 
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