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Merkie

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The thing is that anyone that has something to say other than that things are just horrible and this is the worst update ever then gets cast into that "apologist" group. Things are not black and white in the real world, there's far too much nuance to reality that that.
Software pretty much is 1 or 0. I can easily reproduce this issue on every 64-bit iPhone in the world that is running iOS 9.
 
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philipyoungg

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These threads are crazy. A few days ago people were outraged about which company made their processor, now this. I wonder how old the people complaining are. There may be a little "lag and stuttering" on a handheld computer with a touchscreen that only costs ~$1000 and has access to satellites circling the earth, etc, etc.
If this causes you such anger and distress then I can not even imagine what would happen if you experienced even the slightest real hardship in you life. We have become spoiled to the point of embarrassment that something like this gets people complaining - there is a minor inconvenience with a free software update. What have we become? Put your phones down and interact with people and I bet the lag won't be as important as you think.

Sad, but true. I believe people just got dissapointed by the performance update of iOS 9. I bought a new Air (can't purchase Air 2) and it lags a lot. Refutes my point to upgrade, because the performance improvement from iPad 3 is negligible. Few days ago I said "screw it", moved on, and sell the tablet for minimal loss.

Yes, I realize these things are just tools. Thanks for reminding!
 

VSMacOne

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Software pretty much is 1 or 0. I can easily reproduce this issue on every 64-bit iPhone in the world that is running iOS 9.

Some issues are like that but most aren't. For instance I'm not seeing any off the issues listed under Bugs in the first post on iPhone 6, 6 Plus, 6s and 6s Plus.

There are a lot of variables that you can't account for when you compare so many different users' phones.
 

C DM

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Software pretty much is 1 or 0. I can easily reproduce this issue on every 64-bit iPhone in the world that is running iOS 9.
Perfect demonstration of the exact concept I was talking about. Some issues yes, other issues not so much. Once again tons of threads in these very forums prove that all kinds of people babe all kinds off issues that others do not. So clearly it's not 1 or 0, and to say is just to ignore really basic and obvious simple reality.
 
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Merkie

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Some issues are like that but most aren't. For instance I'm not seeing any off the issues listed under Bugs in the first post on iPhone 6, 6 Plus, 6s and 6s Plus.

There are a lot of variables that you can't account for when you compare so many different users' phones.
No idea what you're actually saying. Poke and words come out. Fine.
 

Merkie

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Some issues yes, other issues not so much. Once again tons of threads in these very forums prove that all kinds of people babe all kinds off issues that others do not. So clearly it's not 1 or 0, and to say is just to ignore really basic and obvious simple reality.
Actually the opposite is true. By thinking that an iPhone is some organism that does things on its own that can't be controlled is a really non-constructive passive laissez-faire attitude.

If issues can be reproduced, they are real. Simple as that.
 
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C DM

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Actually the opposite is true. By thinking that an iPhone is some organism that does things on its own that can't be controlled is a really non-constructive passive laissez-faire attitude.

If issues can be reproduced, they are real. Simple as that.
I don't have to think or make statements based on what seems should be the case. All kinds of threads full of people with different issues while many others do not have them demonstrate reality well enough that it doesn't even have to be thought about to see it.
 

Merkie

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I don't have to think or make statements based on what seems should be the case. All kinds of threads full of people with different issues while many others do not have them demonstrate reality well enough that it doesn't even have to be thought about to see it.
So what is it you are saying? People have so many issues with the new iOS that 90% of those issues are not real? Why can't all these issues be real?
 

C DM

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No idea what you're actually saying. Poke and words come out. Fine.
So say what you think and then just ignore what others have to say by saying you don't understand it? I guess that's one way of thinking that you are right, when everything else just gets ignored.
 

C DM

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So what is it you are saying? People have so many issues with the new iOS that 90% of those issues are not real? Why can't all these issues be real?
Clearly that's not what I'm talking about at all.
 

Radon87000

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I don't have to think or make statements based on what seems should be the case. All kinds of threads full of people with different issues while many others do not have them demonstrate reality well enough that it doesn't even have to be thought about to see it.
Here's the thing.The moment I turn on Reduce Transparency on my Air 2,the thing flies.The stutters I was talking about earlier in the multitasking switcher disappear with the option turned on so clearly the hardware is the problem so there is no way the other users have no issues.They just don't see them

And while people joke about this "Don't see em" aspect it's true.I own a high end gaming PC with dual video cards because anything below 60 dos bothers me enough to shut the thing down.On the other hand there are people who are perfectly fine with 40 fps
 

thed0g

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Here's the thing.The moment I turn on Reduce Transparency on my Air 2,the thing flies.The stutters I was talking about earlier in the multitasking switcher disappear with the option turned on so clearly the hardware is the problem so there is no way the other users have no issues.They just don't see them
They disappear because the blur eye candy that's accelerated by Metal is disabled - hence not causing any issues anymore.

I'm still waiting on that magical video which shows how the iOS9 is smoother and faster then iOS8. We've seen them many on the contrary.
 
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Nolander07

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Sad, but true. I believe people just got dissapointed by the performance update of iOS 9. I bought a new Air (can't purchase Air 2) and it lags a lot. Refutes my point to upgrade, because the performance improvement from iPad 3 is negligible. Few days ago I said "screw it", moved on, and sell the tablet for minimal loss.

Yes, I realize these things are just tools. Thanks for reminding!

I agree with you. I'm not saying no one has the right to be disappointed.
There was a lot of performance hype surrounding iOS 9 that apparently was not delivered.
I'm disappointed that my new iPhone 6s battery doesn't seem to last as long as my 6 did. It's just one of those things though, it not life changing or crippling in any way.
My response is to all the righteous indignation and sense of entitlement when things aren't perfect, especially when people are looking for problems (this statement is not aimed at you by the way).
Get over it people, it's an electronic device and I guarantee it does everything it's supposed to do, even if there is a millisecond delay once in a while.

Also, thanks for the info about your iPad. I have an iPad 4 and it is not exactly performing at its best. I considered upgrading but now I think I will just keep it for a while longer.
 

C DM

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Here's the thing.The moment I turn on Reduce Transparency on my Air 2,the thing flies.The stutters I was talking about earlier in the multitasking switcher disappear with the option turned on so clearly the hardware is the problem so there is no way the other users have no issues.They just don't see them

And while people joke about this "Don't see em" aspect it's true.I own a high end gaming PC with dual video cards because anything below 60 dos bothers me enough to shut the thing down.On the other hand there are people who are perfectly fine with 40 fps
But some users can have more noticeable or worse issues than others, right?
 

C DM

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How is that possible when we are on the same hardware?It can't be the software as its a fresh restored phone
We are back to that? Really? It's possible because the reality shows it's possible given all kinds of people having all kinds of different complaints even with freshly restored phones (although in most cases in the real world people don't use empty restored phones) compared to other people. Yes, many things will be there the same for people, but there are also things that can be and sometimes are different for different people. You keep on wanting to know why and how they could be, which is all good an interesting, but what my point is that it can be and often enough is different (whatever the reasoning behind it might be).
 
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newellj

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Sad, but true. I believe people just got dissapointed by the performance update of iOS 9. I bought a new Air (can't purchase Air 2) and it lags a lot. Refutes my point to upgrade, because the performance improvement from iPad 3 is negligible. Few days ago I said "screw it", moved on, and sell the tablet for minimal loss.

Yes, I realize these things are just tools. Thanks for reminding!

(Smiling) Lots of people here never used a PC running an Intel 8086 and DOS. Lag, animation, "buttery smooth"??? :D
 
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dk001

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cause its true, if someone HATEs, apple, why sit around here buying more iphones every year, crying every year?

hmmmm...

You apply the word "hate" indiscriminately to the point you appear to like interjecting that word into discussions where it is not warranted. Try dislike, appalled, dissatisfied, upset.

Personally, I have owned most iPhone models since the 3.
I am appalled at what iOS has become. Hate? No.
 

dk001

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It takes time to fix software performance, no question about that. Except things are much more different than previous years. We've had a public beta program and people have submitted numerous reports via the feedback app about things like the laggy app switcher. What exactly is taking them so long to fix something like this? Surely for the richest company on earth, they can afford to hire more software engineers.

One thing of interest about public beta programs; they seldom prove to be effective.
They tend to find a few items however they primarily shift the focus of the "interested" from inquiry/complaint/other products into a sustained focus on the primary product.
 

dk001

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We are back to that? Really? It's possible because the reality shows it's possible given all kinds of people having all kinds of different complaints even with freshly restored phones (although in most cases in the real world people don't use empty restored phones) compared to other people. Yes, many things will be there the same for people, but there are also things that can be and sometimes are different for different people. You keep on wanting to know why and how they could be, which is all good an interesting, but what my point is that it can be and often enough is different (whatever the reasoning behind it might be).

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Perception: the ability to see, hear, or become aware of something through the senses.
RAD87000 is talking testing hardware/software while you (C DM) are talking about perception.
The two should not be mixed. There is a reason cops prefer not to have multiple witnesses.
 

C DM

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Perception: the ability to see, hear, or become aware of something through the senses.
RAD87000 is talking testing hardware/software while you (C DM) are talking about perception.
The two should not be mixed. There is a reason cops prefer not to have multiple witnesses.
No I'm talking about reality. The reality of plenty of threads with people complaining about plenty of things that others clearly do not experience. There's no perception in that, it's right there all laid out. It can be ignored, but that doesn't change the basic reality that clearly people can and do have all kinds of different issues that others do not even when th same hardware and software are involved.

There's no point of beating this dead horse that has been killed and beaten more times that can be counted at this point. My point has been clearly made multiple times over and is supported by simple reality. There's nothing more to add or explain about it--certainly nothing more than already has been done multiple times. If people want to ignore or misunderstand or twist or simply argue for the sake of it, not much more than can be done. Realty is reality, and no matter what people think or want we ultimately still live in reality which is what it is, nothing more and nothing less.
 
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ljusmc

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This update fixed all the issues I had with my brand new 6s Plus:
Siri not talking
Lag
Freezing
 
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fe77az

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Spotlight bug.I upgraded to 9.1 today but no fix on my iphone 5s. i closed spotlight siri suggestions...
 

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