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crashoverride77

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As someone said before, the problem is simple. The lag and stutter is because of poor ui design and optimization. Too much unnecesary effects everywhere. If you try stock android you will see what it means to be quick. Almost no unnecesary animations and quick as hell.

Is the first time that i dont know what is apple doing. The king of software. The beta 9 performance is embarrasing.

IMPORTANT: if you want to see what ios9 should have been, go to settings turn "reduce transparency" and reduce motion" ON, and then start playing with the phone and its animation like CC, Notif center etc. That is the smoothness ios 9 should have. The clear issue is effects and animations. Poor engineering and design. This has been going downhill and no one can deny it.

Says who?
iOS 9 for me is running very smooth since beta 2-3, it's night and day compared to iOS 8.
 
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Cobold

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I think there's still time for iOS 9 Beta 6 to come out.
It could happen this week (maybe tomorrow). Then it gives 2 weeks until the September 9th event, where they'll announce the GM, giving a week for that to be tested before public iOS 9 launch.. Plenty of time.(...)
You are missing one important point here: The millions of iPhone 6s & 6s+ beeing produced right as we speak! They have to be flashed with a GM-Version of iOS9 this week latest I guess, then packed and shipped worldwide for Sept. 18th release as speculated.
So in my opinion, a GM will be finished THIS week. The question is when WE are getting hands on it...
 
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crashoverride77

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It doesn't run like a charm mate, you must just have a high tolerance :)

Nope, I am running it on a iPad Air 2 and it does run like charm minus a few random glitches here and there.
When will you guys learn that not everyone is experiencing the same issues? So stop saying things as fact when they are not.

iOS 9 beta 5 on my air 2 is much better than iOS 8 ever was, for me at least. Let's not even talk about split screen and PiP.
 

gsmornot

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Nope, I am running it on a iPad Air 2 and it does run like charm minus a few random glitches here and there.
When will you guys learn that not everyone is experiencing the same issues? So stop saying things as fact when they are not.

iOS 9 beta 5 on my air 2 is much better than iOS 8 ever was, for me at least. Let's not even talk about split screen and PiP.

I am having the same experience on my iPad Air 2. I cannot, at the moment, think of a single thing to complain about iOS 9 on it. Its smooth, everything works as it should and the new features are nice. News even works well though I can't seem to tune it to my liking yet. Its not broken, I just have not found the best way to adjust the articles it gives me. In time I will. Overall though, just as good or better than 8.x versions.

The only place on my 6+ that bugs me at this point is the lag when opening Spotlight. It will stutter a bit. Outside of that, no issues with this most recent beta. I'm fine at this point waiting for the final release.

On my watch, I am down to a few small things. Nothing that keeps it from working but some weird UI issues at times where I can see two screens at the same time overlap each other.
 
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zaneliu

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I think the software is running pretty damn smooth for me. I have only two annoyances and it's all UI related. When I scroll to proactive, I hate that sometimes scrolling up will accidentally trigger the other pull down search. That's super annoying. Then there's the new multitasking which I'm not 100% for. The messages app turns white when I go into multitasker which is so annoying considering I like to quickly glance at it sometimes.
 

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You are missing one important point here: The millions of iPhone 6s & 6s+ beeing produced right as we speak! They have to be flashed with a GM-Version of iOS9 this week latest I guess, then packed and shipped worldwide for Sept. 18th release as speculated.
So in my opinion, a GM will be finished THIS week. The question is when WE are getting hands on it...

I think there's still time for iOS 9 Beta 6 to come out.
It could happen this week (maybe tomorrow). Then it gives 2 weeks until the September 9th event, where they'll announce the GM, giving a week for that to be tested before public iOS 9 launch.. Plenty of time.

As for everyone else and battery life.. I'm about 5 to 5.5 hours of usage on the latest beta. That's the better side of normal for me (4.5 to 5 hours usually). That's all non-wifi usage, so mobile data only, brightness around 25% and not using auto-brightness.

Anyone noticed boot times? On my iPhone with my existing backup, boot time is double what it was when I tried my iPhone "as new" on the latest beta.
Not sure what it is in my backup that's slowing things down. Shame I can't restore as new, but keep my health data :-(

The GM is ready internally and has been for a while. They are probably adding iOS 9 GM to the 6s and 6s Plus right as we speak. The GM might out this week for registered developers but chances are it'll be released after the event which is rumoured to take place on the 9th of September.

Beta 6? Nah. As I've already mentioned, the GM is probably ready.
 

SR71

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You are missing one important point here: The millions of iPhone 6s & 6s+ beeing produced right as we speak! They have to be flashed with a GM-Version of iOS9 this week latest I guess, then packed and shipped worldwide for Sept. 18th release as speculated.
So in my opinion, a GM will be finished THIS week. The question is when WE are getting hands on it...

Unlikely. iOS 8 GM was released on Sept. 9th and iOS 8 was released to the public on Sept. 17th. Assuming the same happens this year I wouldn't expect the GM till the day of the event or the day after.
 

theshoehorn

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One of the things to keep in mind is that it's probably running a lot of logging and back-end monitoring for beta purposes. While I agree it stutters and is buggy in certain situations, I'd have to bet that the battery and performance not meeting what they say has to do with more background process for beta purposes. Definitely won't know the full extent of the performance improvements until the GM drops!
 

TommyA6

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iOS 9 isn't what I thought it would be. Apple promised smoother animations and better battery life. I'm not seeing either. Sorry, Apple. Control Center is much smoother on an iPhone 5 running iOS 8 than an iPhone 6 running iOS 9. I don't understand how Metal was implemented and everything just got worse. Hopefully they clean up a ton for the GM because right now I'm not seeing it. I will do a clean install when iOS 9 goes public though so let's hope that fixes things. Public Beta is everything but clean.

Anyone else notice how spotlight lags and hangs a lot more since iOS 9 beta 5 (PB 3)? Especially if you slide up and down really fast it hangs right in the middle of the animation. Also, sometimes the Siri suggestions appear but nothing else blurs then you get stuck in spotlight and it won't go away. The app switcher is stil causing frame drops on both my iPhone 6 and iPad mini 2, however it's better than it was before. Exiting and entering the switcher is where it is most problematic, and even sliding away apps is a little laggy and scrolling drops frames too. It's a mess. On iPad if you hold two fingers on the keyboard and let go, it gets stuck in trackpad mode.

These have existed since early iOS 8.0 betas, some even in iOS 7: Splitting and moving the keyboard still causes the non letter keys to turn dark gray and it lags and stutters and has graphical artifacts. Popping up split keyboard is weird, it is connected for the duration of the animation and then it snaps back to being split. Rotating App Store stutters, rotating spotlight stutters, rotating keyboard stutters, control/notification center over keyboard stutters, control/notification center over open folder stutters, rotating slide to power off screen stutters... There are a ton of totally random stutters that are sometimes there and sometimes not mixed into the mess. Nothing feels consistent, and it makes the OS feel unpleasant or "fragile." "Don't do this! It'll lag and drop frames. Do it slightly different instead so it doesn't look so bad." That sort of thing kind of goes through my mind all the time when using iOS. Best example is scrolling, or putting the keyboard away before you want to rotate your device, use control center, etc.

I have made over 50 pieces of feedback, and everything bad I've mentioned in this post has been sent to Apple. I don't care if it is being nit-picky, it damages the experience and I firmly believe that that matters just as much as glaring bugs, like no Siri Suggestions appearing in the search pane to the left of the home screen. Let's hope that Apple finally realizes this again, and makes iOS as smooth and dependable as iOS 6 was in the end.
This, 100 TIMES THIS.
Perfectly describes iOS 9 experience so far.

I see ZERO improvements in animation smoothness on my 6 Plus. Metal implementation for improved smoothness my ass, Apple. Get your sh*t together!

EDIT

This is for PB 3 obviously, so things can still improve for the GM (and probably will to a certain extent). Performance/smoothness should be improved drastically though.
 

TommyA6

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You mean it doesn't run like a charm for YOU. Telling him that he's wrong and that how his device is running is all down to his having a high tolerance is just plain arrogant.
iOS ain't Windows or even OS X. Every iDevice performs exactly the same providing the hardware isn't faulty (which is extremely rare), especially if you restore and set up as new. (Apps aren't allowed to change core OS, aren't allowed to run in the background...) Some people simply don't notice the dropped frames that much.
So no, it's not arrogant, it's true.
 

Narcaz

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iOS ain't Windows or even OS X. Every iDevice performs exactly the same providing the hardware isn't faulty (which is extremely rare), especially if you restore and set up as new. (Apps aren't allowed to change core OS, aren't allowed to run in the background...) Some people simply don't notice the dropped frames that much.
So no, it's not arrogant, it's true.

Your previous post wasn't the nicest way to put this, but you're right. Human perception of responsiveness, lag and stuttering can vary a lot. If someone is unable to notice them it doesn't change the fact that they are there. Most people don't notice slight delays, but for those who do it can kill the whole experience. But at least a few lags on the rMini 2/3 are so obvious that there is no valid excuse for Apple. I mean even Apple Store devices suffer from this and at least a few Geniuses know about it (the one i talked has sent a lot of bug reports for his personal device). Something is seriously broken with the iOS 7/8/9 animations on these devices and so far they aren't willing or able to fix it. They didn't even bother to sweep it under carpet by giving the rMini 3 an Air 2 like spec bump.
 
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newellj

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iOS ain't Windows or even OS X. Every iDevice performs exactly the same providing the hardware isn't faulty (which is extremely rare), especially if you restore and set up as new. (Apps aren't allowed to change core OS, aren't allowed to run in the background...) Some people simply don't notice the dropped frames that much.
So no, it's not arrogant, it's true.

They don't. They SHOULD, I agree, but they simply do not. And id so it's simply not true.
 

newellj

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I am having the same experience on my iPad Air 2. I cannot, at the moment, think of a single thing to complain about iOS 9 on it. Its smooth, everything works as it should and the new features are nice. News even works well though I can't seem to tune it to my liking yet. Its not broken, I just have not found the best way to adjust the articles it gives me. In time I will. Overall though, just as good or better than 8.x versions.

The only place on my 6+ that bugs me at this point is the lag when opening Spotlight. It will stutter a bit. Outside of that, no issues with this most recent beta. I'm fine at this point waiting for the final release.

On my watch, I am down to a few small things. Nothing that keeps it from working but some weird UI issues at times where I can see two screens at the same time overlap each other.

The only issue I see on my Air 2 is that I'd swear that the five-finger app minimize gesture isn't as responsive as it was with iOS 8.x and 7.x.
 

newellj

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I am seriously, for the first time in many years, concerned for WTF is going on at Apple.

Will Apple, Inc. and the American stock market in general, continue with the financial implosion tomorrow (Monday)?

Wait, you aren't seriously trying to correlate iOS 9, macroeconomic conditions and global stock markets?
 
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TommyA6

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Your previous post wasn't probably not the nicest way to put this, but you're right. Human perception of responsiveness, lag and stuttering can vary a lot. If someone is unable to notice them it doesn't change the fact that they are there. Most people don't notice slight delays, but for those who do it can kill the whole experience. But at least a few lags on the rMini 2/3 are so obvious that there is no valid excuses for Apple. I mean even Apple Store devices suffer from this and at least a few Geniuses know about it (the one i talked has sent a lot of bug reports for his personal device). Something is seriously broken with the iOS 7/8/9 animations on these devices and so far they aren't willing or able to fix it. They didn't even bother to sweep it under carpet by giving the rMini 3 an Air 2 like spec bump.
Most of the smoothness problems are transparency related. Just try turning transparency off. Your iPad mini2 /3, iPhone 6 Plus etc. will perform like iPhone 5 on iOS 6 did, flawlessly...
That's why I hoped "metal implementation" in iOS 9 will solve (or at the very least alleviate) those issues. So far, no improvements whatsoever.
 
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I dont know.
Says who?
iOS 9 for me is running very smooth since beta 2-3, it's night and day compared to iOS 8.

Says who? A ux/ui/ accessibility designer who is constantly working with software. So my comment is as objective as it can be. Yes, beta software runs other processes in the background, so lower performance is indeed expected.

The truth is, wether you like it or not, or your eye is not trained to see the problems (which is the case, no offense, excuse me if it sounds agressive) the excess of animations and effects as the blur for example, reduce the smoothness of the whole os. Thats why it lags and stutters almost anywhere. Maybe you dont see it but is There.

Just do what i ve said. Turn on reduce transparency and reduce motion. Play with some animations as cc and nc, and Then come and talk to me.

Good bye sir

Edit: if you have an ipad air 2 you can have a much smoother experience, simply because it has more power.
 

Poontaco

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The GM is ready internally and has been for a while. They are probably adding iOS 9 GM to the 6s and 6s Plus right as we speak. The GM might out this week for registered developers but chances are it'll be released after the event which is rumoured to take place on the 9th of September.

Beta 6? Nah. As I've already mentioned, the GM is probably ready.

Nope. The GM is definitely not done. And it won't be until the week of Sept. 7.
 
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The GM is ready internally and has been for a while. They are probably adding iOS 9 GM to the 6s and 6s Plus right as we speak. The GM might out this week for registered developers but chances are it'll be released after the event which is rumoured to take place on the 9th of September.

Beta 6? Nah. As I've already mentioned, the GM is probably ready.

The GM of an x.0 update has never and will never be released prior to an event so as to not reveal features of new devices, etc. The GM may be ready very soon if it isn't yet, but it certainly won't be released before the event date.
 
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The GM of an x.0 update has never and will never be released prior to an event so as to not reveal features of new devices, etc. The GM may be ready very soon if it isn't yet, but it certainly won't be released before the event date.
I know. That's what I was saying. The other person say GM very soon. I said it will be released after the event. I stand by that.
 

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Says who? A ux/ui/ accessibility designer who is constantly working with software. So my comment is as objective as it can be. Yes, beta software runs other processes in the background, so lower performance is indeed expected.

The truth is, wether you like it or not, or your eye is not trained to see the problems (which is the case, no offense, excuse me if it sounds agressive) the excess of animations and effects as the blur for example, reduce the smoothness of the whole os. Thats why it lags and stutters almost anywhere. Maybe you dont see it but is There.

Just do what i ve said. Turn on reduce transparency and reduce motion. Play with some animations as cc and nc, and Then come and talk to me.

Good bye sir

Edit: if you have an ipad air 2 you can have a much smoother experience, simply because it has more power.
I have to agree, every issue I experienced even before iOS 9, I can make it happen on my friend's air and apples store models. Some people just don't notice things, and that's okay I guess, as long as they don't claim there is no issue when tons and tons of people claim otherwise.

Most all of my issues occur even after I set up as new. It is a pure iOS problem, nothing else.

Most of the smoothness problems are transparency related. Just try turning transparency off. Your iPad mini2 /3, iPhone 6 Plus etc. will perform like iPhone 5 on iOS 6 did, flawlessly...
That's why I hoped "metal implementation" in iOS 9 will solve (or at the very least alleviate) those issues. So far, no improvements whatsoever.
Reduce transparency doesn't fully help things though, however it does fix things by like 80%. Making new tabs from the tab view still jumps and stutters on my iPad mini 2, the whole tab view in general still has its quirks. Entering and exiting the app switcher with many apps is still slightly problematic as well. Now with PB3, spotlight hangs when sliding down really fast, even with reduce transparency. Splitting keyboard is still iffy, and even with reduce transparency, there are no key-tap indicators on iPad and it bothers me to the point where I don't want to use that setting (this has existed since early iOS 8.0 betas and I've reported it and it hasn't been touched). Also the gray they use for the dock and stuff is just god awful. It should pick a general solid color from the wallpaper like the search section.

This all sort of supports the idea that there is some hope of Apple being able to fix things even without touching the transparency, although inevitably, many effects need to be stripped anyway. Our devices aren't just horrendously underpowered, after all.
 
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