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LordQ

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History also indicates that apple changes iPhone support cycles..

The 2G and 3G got two updates
The 3GS and 4 got three updates

Maybe the cycle will follow the pattern?

The 4S and 5 could get four updates

Let's hope the 4S gets the lucky long lifespan of the iPad 2.
 

oldmacs

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Nice and smooth.


Beyond unusable, worse than iOS 4 on a 3G.

I have 7 on an iPhone 4 here, and its fine. Its actually very usable. The animations jitter a bit, but everything loads quite fast. '

iOS 6 on the iPhone 3GS had less jitter, but it was slower in many cases.
 

Woochifer

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if they do: why is my phone so slow
If they don't: **** you Apple. Piece of **** company. Planned obsolescence. BLAH BLAH BLAH

No kidding. On the one hand, people are complaining about how iOS 8 "killed" their iPhone. On the other hand, they still want iOS 9.

People also seem to overlook the fact that iOS 8 still has several more updates left before it reaches EOL status. In my experience, iOS 7.0 had far more serious stability and performance issues than iOS 8.0 did. The EOL version 7.1.2 that people now praise for its stability didn't come out until a few weeks before iOS 8.

On other threads, I see people wanting a "Snow Leopard" version of iOS -- the "no new features" update that focuses on stability and performance. Does anyone remember how buggy and unstable the early versions of Snow Leopard were? OS X 10.6.0 had tons of stability issues, broke more apps than any previous OS X version, and had one of the more serious Mac bugs ever (logging onto a Guest account would delete entire user profiles).

The final version (10.6.8) of Snow Leopard that people hold up as some gold standard came out 22 months after the original release.

If people are chomping at the bit for iOS 9, because they think it will fix all of iOS' bugs and other purported ills, they should probably just install the EOL version of iOS 8 when it comes out and then wait a year for the EOL version of iOS 9 before making the leap. People who value stability and speed above all else should probably not elbow their way to the front of the line for a X.0 version of any OS.
 

Paddle1

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No kidding. On the one hand, people are complaining about how iOS 8 "killed" their iPhone. On the other hand, they still want iOS 9.

People also seem to overlook the fact that iOS 8 still has several more updates left before it reaches EOL status. In my experience, iOS 7.0 had far more serious stability and performance issues than iOS 8.0 did. The EOL version 7.1.2 that people now praise for its stability didn't come out until a few weeks before iOS 8.

On other threads, I see people wanting a "Snow Leopard" version of iOS -- the "no new features" update that focuses on stability and performance. Does anyone remember how buggy and unstable the early versions of Snow Leopard were? OS X 10.6.0 had tons of stability issues, broke more apps than any previous OS X version, and had one of the more serious Mac bugs ever (logging onto a Guest account would delete entire user profiles).

The final version (10.6.8) of Snow Leopard that people hold up as some gold standard came out 22 months after the original release.

If people are chomping at the bit for iOS 9, because they think it will fix all of iOS' bugs and other purported ills, they should probably just install the EOL version of iOS 8 when it comes out and then wait a year for the EOL version of iOS 9 before making the leap. People who value stability and speed above all else should probably not elbow their way to the front of the line for a X.0 version of any OS.
iOS 7.1 came out several months before 8.
 

oldmacs

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No kidding. On the one hand, people are complaining about how iOS 8 "killed" their iPhone. On the other hand, they still want iOS 9.

People also seem to overlook the fact that iOS 8 still has several more updates left before it reaches EOL status. In my experience, iOS 7.0 had far more serious stability and performance issues than iOS 8.0 did. The EOL version 7.1.2 that people now praise for its stability didn't come out until a few weeks before iOS 8.

On other threads, I see people wanting a "Snow Leopard" version of iOS -- the "no new features" update that focuses on stability and performance. Does anyone remember how buggy and unstable the early versions of Snow Leopard were? OS X 10.6.0 had tons of stability issues, broke more apps than any previous OS X version, and had one of the more serious Mac bugs ever (logging onto a Guest account would delete entire user profiles).

The final version (10.6.8) of Snow Leopard that people hold up as some gold standard came out 22 months after the original release.

If people are chomping at the bit for iOS 9, because they think it will fix all of iOS' bugs and other purported ills, they should probably just install the EOL version of iOS 8 when it comes out and then wait a year for the EOL version of iOS 9 before making the leap. People who value stability and speed above all else should probably not elbow their way to the front of the line for a X.0 version of any OS.

iOS 8.2 and 8.3 have barely ANY speed improvements. Apple could have already started on speed improvements, like they did with iOS 7.1 which even in its first beta (Which was released in December or November or 2013 IIRC) performed much better on A4 and A5 devices.

8.3 kind improves things a tiny bit on the 4S, but no improvements (And even a decline) on A6 and A7 devices (Observed through a number of tests on youtube).

I think Apple has firmly shifted a lot of its development into iOS 9. iOS 8.2 is pretty much just for the Apple watch. iOS 8.3 is very small - both fix some bugs, but do not perform much optimisation. Perhaps 8.4 will be released with the iPad Pro or the new iPhones, if they take their time with iOS 9.

iOS 7.0 was pretty stable for me on my iPad 2 and iPhone 4 and on a number of friends and family's devices. iOS 8.0 was excessively buggy, and 8.1 has nothing on 7.1.

If Apple puts a large focus on optimisation and bug fixing, aided by a public beta they can definitely improve things. They can still introduce new features, but just not at the level that iOS 8 did.

There of course will be bugs in iOS 9 to begin with, but without the massive drain of new APIs and huge numbers of new features, they could be fixed quicker and more efficiently. iOS 7.1 has showed that if the time is taken, these sort of things can be achieved.
 

quackers82

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2 People at work have the iPhone 4S at work running iOS 8 and i don't see what the issue is, they don't complain its slow and when i have had a play it seems ok.

The 4S is still being sold by some networks in the UK guessing old stock, but couple that with iOS 9 being about performance instead of features i would hope the 4S would get iOS 9.
 

crashoverride77

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Hi,

do you think that iPhone 4S will receive the iOs 9 that Tim Cook has described as an optimization and not an "add feature" release?

When did Tim Cook say ios 9 will be mainly optimisation? I'm interested because so far I haven't heard Apple officialy say that, just rumours.
 

oldmacs

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2 People at work have the iPhone 4S at work running iOS 8 and i don't see what the issue is, they don't complain its slow and when i have had a play it seems ok.

The 4S is still being sold by some networks in the UK guessing old stock, but couple that with iOS 9 being about performance instead of features i would hope the 4S would get iOS 9.

Its not terribly bad at all honestly. its a bit slower than iOS 7 but thats to be expected with the huge number of new features. However hopefully iOS 9 will improve on this with optimisation and special attention to bugs.

People forget that the 4S is pretty much identical internally to the iPod Touch 5 which is still for sale, and I would assume will be receiving iOS 9.

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When did Tim Cook say ios 9 will be mainly optimisation? I'm interested because so far I haven't heard Apple officialy say that, just rumours.

It is just rumours - Tim Cook hasn't said anything :p
 

ipooed

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I believe it will, as far as I know there is no new iPod coming (same specs as the 4s).....
 

AppleGeek1127

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I highly doubt it. Apple generally drops support for one model with each new release of iOS. Since the iPhone 4 was dropped with the release of iOS 8 - it only makes sense that the iPhone 4S will be dropped with the release of iOS 9.
 

Matheew944

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Iphione 4s and Ipad 2 and touch 5 will be dropped.. It is time to go ...finally , Ipad 2 and 4s will be dead!!!!!!
 

Paddle1

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I highly doubt it. Apple generally drops support for one model with each new release of iOS. Since the iPhone 4 was dropped with the release of iOS 8 - it only makes sense that the iPhone 4S will be dropped with the release of iOS 9.

iOS 6 didn't drop any iPhones.
 

kolax

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The people holding onto their 4s must have a really crappy impression of iOS now. The performance is so bad that you'd consider Android. If Apple didn't try to improve that impression, then they could lose customers.

But Apple could drop the 4s in favour of only having to support three screen sizes: 4", 4.7" and 5.5".
 

RebornProphet

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Said it before, I'd like to see the iPhone 4s, iPad 2, and iPad 3 dropped.

Hell, I'd prefer it if iOS 9 were A7 and A8 only and leave the baggage behind so people on newer hardware got a more streamlined OS, but that's being selfish.
 

oldmacs

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Iphione 4s and Ipad 2 and touch 5 will be dropped.. It is time to go ...finally , Ipad 2 and 4s will be dead!!!!!!

Ummm you realise that the iPad 2 is the most used iPad in terms of market share and that the iPod touch 5 which is identical to the 4s tech wise is still for sale, as is the iPad mini 1 which is identical to the iPad 2?

Glad to see you're for destroying the iOS experience of the majority of iPad users and those who can't afford upgrades.
 
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oldmacs

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Said it before, I'd like to see the iPhone 4s, iPad 2, and iPad 3 dropped.

Hell, I'd prefer it if iOS 9 were A7 and A8 only and leave the baggage behind so people on newer hardware got a more streamlined OS, but that's being selfish.


So you want the iPad Mini 1(Identical to the iPad 2 hardware wise) and the iPod Touch 5 (Identical to the 4S hardware wise) dropped as well? For one they are both still on sale, so dropping them with iOS 9 is not exactly fair on buyers. Secondy, around 60 percent of iPad users are on the iPad 2, iPad Mini 1 and iPad 3 so leaving the majority of iPad users behind doesn't seem like the greatest idea.

How about they keep the 32 bit and 64 bit versions of iOS separate, then you won't have your baggage problem. Actually working out how to run iOS better on the low end would probably translate to speed improvements across the board.

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I highly doubt it. Apple generally drops support for one model with each new release of iOS. Since the iPhone 4 was dropped with the release of iOS 8 - it only makes sense that the iPhone 4S will be dropped with the release of iOS 9.

Apple isn't forced into some pattern. iOS 6 didn't drop any iPhones if you recall, and in addition to that, Apple changes the number of updates its devices get.

For example. The 2G and 3G got two updates, then the 3GS and 4 got three updates. If they were following some sort of pattern, the 4S and 5 would get four updates.
 

richwoodrocket

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iOS 9: iPhone 4S will receive it?

Ummm you realise that the iPad 2 is the most used iPad in terms of market share and that the iPod touch 5 which is identical to the 4s tech wise is still for sale, as is the iPad mini 1 which is identical to the iPad 2?

Glad to see you're for destroying the iOS experience of the majority of iPad users and those who can't afford upgrades.


The 4s hasn't been sold for 6 months...
 

oldmacs

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The 4s hasn't been sold for 6 months...

I was referring to the iPod Touch 5 and iPad Mini 1. If you don't support the iPad 2 or 4S, than you can't really support the iPad Mini 1 or iPod Touch 5 as they are identical in terms of hardware (besides bluetooth).
 

RoboWarriorSr

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I was referring to the iPod Touch 5 and iPad Mini 1. If you don't support the iPad 2 or 4S, than you can't really support the iPad Mini 1 or iPod Touch 5 as they are identical in terms of hardware (besides bluetooth).

They all share bluetooth 4.0 chip but the wifi chip on the iPod Touch and iPad Mini have 5 Ghz channel.
 
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