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Considering a nexus due to ios9 shortcomings?


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I7guy

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Stutter is actually a major reason why many switched to iPhone in the first place.The 2 things you mentioned can be done even on a 100 dollar Android phone.Thing is its not smooth doing it
I can't tell you a general reason why "the masses" buy the iPhone; I only can tell you why I bought the 5s and 6s. And I don't care what a cheap phone can do; my f150 can tow a heavy load, something my expensive Ferrari can't.:confused:
 

pika2000

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Android devices may seem shinier when they are new. When I got my OnePlus One, I thought it was the best phone ever. Came lollipop upgrade, it turned into one of the worst phone I've used. Even starting the camera lags. System UI forecloses. The phone became only a nice shell of its former past, with junk software inside. This story is similar to most Android devices.

Having said that, a clean reset of the device usually freshen it up. Problem with Android is, there's no easy way to restore your phone like you never left it. With iPhone, if I had problems with it, I would simply back it up through iTunes, restore it, and it's like I never left the phone. On Android, you are forced to do the dirty work in backing up the content of your device.
 

nj1266

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The Nexus 6P in its current state runs circles around the iPhone 6 I have on iOS 9.60 FPS animations and not a hint of stutter on it.I may switch to it or the Galaxy S7 unless Apple fixes my performance issues.Android is smoother than iOS 9 in its current iteration

You are comparing last year's iPhone 6 to this year's Nexus 6P. The better comparison would be the 6s Plus to the 6p since both were produced this year. Just try and be objective and consistent.
 

nj1266

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I doubt that the 6s is much faster than the S6. I own one as well and it is a blazing fast phone. Still the fastest Android phone available until the new chipsets come out. Battery life is decent but could be better. My wife gets about 4 to 4.5 hours of SoT every day and when she plugs in at night she has about 15% left.

That is nothing. I am getting between 5.3 to 7.7 hours SOT every 24 hours on my 6s Plus. On the current charge I have 18 hours usage and 31 hours since unplugged with 16% to go.
 

Max(IT)

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The only problem with iOS 9 is the random stutter on most devices. That resembles like the similar kind of stutter on Android Eclaír.

The input delay where iOS waits 1-2 seconds after animation completes before it starts accepting user input also gives it sluggish feeling.

Previously in iOS 6 and below, we were allowed to open apps midway of transition animation. That gave the illusion of speed even though the hardware was considerably slower.

Lollipop and Marshmallow stutter too but only if the hardware is underpowered. But on S808 and S810, it is flawless
2 seconds delay ? Oh my ... are you running iOS 9 on a Pentium 133 system?
Speaking about overblowned issues...

The Nexus 6P in its current state runs circles around the iPhone 6 I have on iOS 9.60 FPS animations and not a hint of stutter on it.I may switch to it or the Galaxy S7 unless Apple fixes my performance issues.Android is smoother than iOS 9 in its current iteration
Good idea switch from an iPhone to the king of bloatware Samsung Galaxy S-whatever....

I doubt that the 6s is much faster than the S6. I own one as well and it is a blazing fast phone. Still the fastest Android phone available until the new chipsets come out. Battery life is decent but could be better. My wife gets about 4 to 4.5 hours of SoT every day and when she plugs in at night she has about 15% left.
4 hrs from a 6S ? I can reach 8 hrs and never goes below 5-6 hrs even on heavy tasks on my one year old 6 ....

Animations make up a huge part of the iOS experience which is why them being smooth is important.Stutter severely detracts from the experience.At least let me jack up the animation speed so I can't see it
Animations a huge part? Lol ... You must be very young if animations are what count on an operative system.

I can't tell you a general reason why "the masses" buy the iPhone; I only can tell you why I bought the 5s and 6s. And I don't care what a cheap phone can do; my f150 can tow a heavy load, something my expensive Ferrari can't.:confused:
The masses, whatever they are, buy the iPhone because it's a better product, overall.

You are comparing last year's iPhone 6 to this year's Nexus 6P. The better comparison would be the 6s Plus to the 6p since both were produced this year. Just try and be objective and consistent.
This year nexus 6P still is a Huawei smartphone... I will never buy a Huawei. Never.
 

John Mcgregor

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2 seconds delay ? Oh my ... are you running iOS 9 on a Pentium 133 system?
Speaking about overblowned issues...


Good idea switch from an iPhone to the king of bloatware Samsung Galaxy S-whatever....


4 hrs from a 6S ? I can reach 8 hrs and never goes below 5-6 hrs even on heavy tasks on my one year old 6 ....


Animations a huge part? Lol ... You must be very young if animations are what count on an operative system.


The masses, whatever they are, buy the iPhone because it's a better product, overall.


This year nexus 6P still is a Huawei smartphone... I will never buy a Huawei. Never.

It depends a lot on your service provider. I switched providers recently and my battery life increased by almost 3 hours of usage. If LTE signal is weak in your area it will be reconnecting and switching between LTE, 3G and what not very often resulting in decreased battery life.
 

Max(IT)

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It depends a lot on your service provider. I switched providers recently and my battery life increased by almost 3 hours of usage. If LTE signal is weak in your area it will be reconnecting and switching between LTE, 3G and what not very often resulting in decreased battery life.
Yep. Battery life depends heavily on network signal strength, but even in a very poor area I can't go below 5 hours....
 

LovingTeddy

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I don't have comppain about my iPhone, everthing is running just fine. But i use Android (Moto X Play, as there is no Moto X Pure in Canada and Nexus 6P) as daily driver. I am getting bord with iPhone, Android is just veestile.
 

LovingTeddy

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I can't see any good reason to buy a Huawei Chinese phone powered by a Google operative system ....

Huawei Mate 8 and Huawei Mate S are two excellent phone made by Huawei. So is Nexus 6P. I have the Huawei P8, which is also great phone, it run just as good as iPhone. I don't see any reason not buy Huawei beside the blind loyality for Apple or blind hate towward Chinese made stuff..
 

Max(IT)

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Huawei Mate 8 and Huawei Mate S are two excellent phone made by Huawei. So is Nexus 6P. I have the Huawei P8, which is also great phone, it run just as good as iPhone. I don't see any reason not buy Huawei beside the blind loyality for Apple or blind hate towward Chinese made stuff..
You can repeat it a thousand times if that please you. But there is nothing great in any Huawei product.....
And most of the "hate" towards Chinese products is absolutely deserved. Especially for state/army sponsorized Chinese company like Huawei.....
 

I7guy

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Huawei Mate 8 and Huawei Mate S are two excellent phone made by Huawei. So is Nexus 6P. I have the Huawei P8, which is also great phone, it run just as good as iPhone. I don't see any reason not buy Huawei beside the blind loyality for Apple or blind hate towward Chinese made stuff..
So in your view the rational for one not buying a Huawei product is due to blind Apple loyalty or blind hate toward Chinese products. Not at all a black and white view.
 

Radon87000

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Yes, Made in china .... Not designed, developed and realized in China. Like a Huawei....
Dont see what difference it makes.The Nexus 6P is hell of a looker even in the design department.This "Designed in China" product manages to still look better than many products of Motorola,HTC etc.Apple's phone in reality is just a Foxconn product
 

saxjonz

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Sep 9, 2014
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It's true. My 6 plus is always doing something to make me want to throw it through the window. I had it replaced twice for issues with touchscreen and notice it freezes often. I've had the issue with the first phone constantly. The second lasted a day before screen froze up. Apple tbh really sucks. Image will only go so far before fanbois realize and jump ship. It's really quite a joke if you ask me, their schtick is getting old. They ask the same questions over forty of them running around the store and everyone having to wait for their appointment to be seen. This parade is a three ring circus. Last iPhone for me. I've been a loyal since the 3G. Face it; iPhone sucks.
 

I7guy

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Dont see what difference it makes.The Nexus 6P is hell of a looker even in the design department.This "Designed in China" product manages to still look better than many products of Motorola,HTC etc.Apple's phone in reality is just a Foxconn product
What nonsense. Apples phone in reality is just.....an apple product. Conceived, designed, engineered in the United States. But don't let the "facts" get in the way.
 

C DM

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60fps animations are a big deal. They are the reason people switched to iOS device in droves. Most people cant pin point why they like the platform because they dont know that it is this smoothness.

Android does most things better than iOS but it lagged in smoothness dept for so long.

Stutter is actually a major reason why many switched to iPhone in the first place.The 2 things you mentioned can be done even on a 100 dollar Android phone.Thing is its not smooth doing it
I'm curious, where does that "They are the reason people switched to iOS device in droves." and "Stutter is actually a major reason why many switched to iPhone in the first place." come from?
 

Radon87000

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2 seconds delay ? Oh my ... are you running iOS 9 on a Pentium 133 system?
Speaking about overblowned issues...


Good idea switch from an iPhone to the king of bloatware Samsung Galaxy S-whatever....


4 hrs from a 6S ? I can reach 8 hrs and never goes below 5-6 hrs even on heavy tasks on my one year old 6 ....


Animations a huge part? Lol ... You must be very young if animations are what count on an operative system.


The masses, whatever they are, buy the iPhone because it's a better product, overall.


This year nexus 6P still is a Huawei smartphone... I will never buy a Huawei. Never.

Having tried out a S6 Edge once,its far from bloatware.Its one damn good smartphone rivalling the iPhone.
Yeah animations do play a big part in the overall experience on iOS.On Android the animations are very quick and precise and dont get in the way.iOS has a long and emphasized animation and in this case any stutter severely detracts from the experience.Just look at the way folders open on both OS.On Android its a quick and precise table animation and you cant even notice any lag.On iOS 4 out of 10 times I can easily notice a frame skip or two in the zoom in animation

What nonsense. Apples phone in reality is just.....an apple product. Conceived, designed, engineered in the United States. But don't let the "facts" get in the way.
My point was Chinese designers are in no way inferior to American designers which is where the blind hate for Huawei comes from.The iPhone is made by Foxconn which is what matters because both Huawei and Apple are using the same expertise and materials for making their products
I'm curious, where does that "They are the reason people switched to iOS device in droves." and "Stutter is actually a major reason why many switched to iPhone in the first place." come from?
Android Stutters and Software updates are a major reason why people switch to iOS.I am surprised this even has to be said.If you take both of these out of the equation,Android hardware especially in the display and customisation department is much better than the iPhone.The Play Store near rivals the App Store in quality.Theres a lot of innovation on Android which gets hampered by these petty things
 

C DM

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Having tried out a S6 Edge once,its far from bloatware.Its one damn good smartphone rivalling the iPhone.
Yeah animations do play a big part in the overall experience on iOS.On Android the animations are very quick and precise and dont get in the way.iOS has a long and emphasized animation and in this case any stutter severely detracts from the experience.Just look at the way folders open on both OS.On Android its a quick and precise table animation and you cant even notice any lag.On iOS 4 out of 10 times I can easily notice a frame skip or two in the zoom in animation


My point was Chinese designers are in no way inferior to American designers which is where the blind hate for Huawei comes from.The iPhone is made by Foxconn which is what matters because both Huawei and Apple are using the same expertise and materials for making their products

Android Stutters and Software updates are a major reason why people switch to iOS.I am surprised this even has to be said.If you take both of these out of the equation,Android hardware especially in the display and customisation department is much better than the iPhone.The Play Store near rivals the App Store in quality.Theres a lot of innovation on Android which gets hampered by these petty things
Well, we are only talking about stutters. So there's something showing that this is a major as to why many typical people switch to iOS? Just saying that doesn't mean that's the case, and just because it's a factor for some doesn't mean that it's a major one and/or that it's one that plays that much of a role for most typical users.
 

saxjonz

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Sep 9, 2014
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Most typical users are in for look and curb appeal, they go with the hot product. Time will show. Apple controls everything to a fault. You can't even add more memory if you want to. For me, of course you can buy more from the start for an expensive experience or rent space and continue to pay for memory, I'd like to be able to upgrade memory and change the battery if I like. I'm not in this argument really but seriously, the reason people buy Apple is not because it's better. That's a line. It's all about the image.
 

sanke1

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I'm curious, where does that "They are the reason people switched to iOS device in droves." and "Stutter is actually a major reason why many switched to iPhone in the first place." come from?
Were you hiding under a rock when the whole internet exploded saying they were tired of Android lag and stutter. That forced Google to implement several changes to UI code dubbed as "project butter" to smooth out animations and also to V-sync them at 60 fps. But that was enough for people to switch to iOS device and realize that the experience was vastly superior.

But I am surprised you were not aware of this common knowledge.

Funny that the tables have started to turn in Android's favour.
 

I7guy

macrumors Nehalem
Nov 30, 2013
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Gotta be in it to win it
Having tried out a S6 Edge once,its far from bloatware.Its one damn good smartphone rivalling the iPhone.
Yeah animations do play a big part in the overall experience on iOS.On Android the animations are very quick and precise and dont get in the way.iOS has a long and emphasized animation and in this case any stutter severely detracts from the experience.Just look at the way folders open on both OS.On Android its a quick and precise table animation and you cant even notice any lag.On iOS 4 out of 10 times I can easily notice a frame skip or two in the zoom in animation


My point was Chinese designers are in no way inferior to American designers which is where the blind hate for Huawei comes from.The iPhone is made by Foxconn which is what matters because both Huawei and Apple are using the same expertise and materials for making their products

Android Stutters and Software updates are a major reason why people switch to iOS.I am surprised this even has to be said.If you take both of these out of the equation,Android hardware especially in the display and customisation department is much better than the iPhone.The Play Store near rivals the App Store in quality.Theres a lot of innovation on Android which gets hampered by these petty things
I could do without all animations; wish there was an options like on Windows to fully disable them.

About who is making the phones...disregarding who you believe has the better design expertise, the iPhone is designed, conceived, engineered in Cupertino, Foxconn only puts it together. Obviously there is some amount of collaboration that has to occur. They are not using the same expertise and can you prove they are using the same materials(except for sand)
 

C DM

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Were you hiding under a rock when the whole internet exploded saying they were tired of Android lag and stutter. That forced Google to implement several changes to UI code dubbed as "project butter" to smooth out animations and also to V-sync them at 60 fps. But that was enough for people to switch to iOS device and realize that the experience was vastly superior.

But I am surprised you were not aware of this common knowledge.

Funny that the tables have started to turn in Android's favour.
I'm aware there were projects to fix it and all of that, I'm not sure that directly translates to it being a major factor for most typical people leaving for iOS. There was definitely an issue there worthy of being addressed and there definitely was a group of users that had this as their number one item, but, again, I'm not sure the generalization of it being the major issue for many typical users that pushed them to iOS is necessarily supported just from that.
 

Radon87000

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I could do without all animations; wish there was an options like on Windows to fully disable them.

About who is making the phones...disregarding who you believe has the better design expertise, the iPhone is designed, conceived, engineered in Cupertino, Foxconn only puts it together. Obviously there is some amount of collaboration that has to occur. They are not using the same expertise and can you prove they are using the same materials(except for sand)
Because Huawei also makes a lot of its phones at Foxconn.
 
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