Mobile OSs iOS and Jelly Bean (merged)

[onthecouchagain]

Even an Android at parity doesn't provide safe haven. Google does not run a platform that is as stable as Windows or Mac OS X. The Web is important but notoriously difficult to gain control of as evidence by Google+ not really making a dent in Facebook's momentum.

Android's success came at the right time. Microsoft had lost its strategy for phones, RIM turned into a "push email" one trick wonder and and Apple was on a single carrier.

Today :

RIM's on its death bed
Microsoft has fought its way back
Apple is on more carriers than ever and has largely unified their mobile and desktop platform.

Android is FAR from a shoe-in to even remain in the race.

... okay.

It's clear you've decided to change the subject because you have no case against the fact that Android (ICS/JB) is closing the gap -- some would argue already on par -- with iOS' stability and smoothness.

As a dedicated iOS user, not sure why that bothers you.

 

[nuckinfutz]

... okay.

It's clear you've decided to change the subject because you have no case against the fact that Android (ICS/JB) is closing the gap -- some would argue already on par -- with iOS' stability and smoothness.

As a dedicated iOS user, not sure why that bothers you.

What subject have I changed? I've been fairly clear.


OS X and iOS have never been more unified at a framework level before.

iCloud "is" a big deal

iOS 6 is a developer laden release which means a bunch of people here don't understand it.

iOS graphic pipeline is far superior to Android. A quad core tablet with big graphics just to get the UI running smoothly? Seriously?

How are people going to talk about Android catching up when they aren't cognizant of where Apple is today in iOS 6?

 

[onthecouchagain]

Lol. So basically he is amazed by an upgrade which adds a few cool things to features that we had before (many people arguing that we should have already had the stuff new in iOS 6 in iOS 5 or even 4), but a large upgrade such as Jelly Bean with a dramatic UI change and a shed load of new features (however useful or pointless) and he is underwhelmed.

Just... . I'm not a fan of Android at all but I admit that Jelly Bean is a better upgrade for Android users than iOS 6 is for iDevice users.

As I said earlier, it's gotten to a point where you can really tell whether people have given both platforms a fair chance and usage. People who have will talk very candidly about both platform's strengths and weaknesses. This is known as intellectual honesty, and whenever someone doesn't uphold to this, and clearly interested in only showing and defending their bias, the conversation is essentially over.

Eventually, you just grow to ignore the likes of Nuckinfutz, Techarchy and ilk.

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To elaborate on my point, it just seems to me Android users are far more honest about Android's shortcomings than iOS users are about iOS' shortcomings. How many times have we heard "it just works" as an argument? Or when Samsung's Galaxy SIII is discussed, that S-Voice is a copy of Siri, while ignoring all the novel features that if Apple introduced, they'd be claiming Apple is once again pushing the frontier of innovation? And if Apple should do any copying, ah, then they're just "adopting industry standards."

These disingenuous conversations happen here all the time.

 

[nuckinfutz]

As I said earlier, it's gotten to a point where you can really tell whether people have given both platforms a fair chance and usage. People who have will talk very candidly about both platform's strengths and weaknesses. This is known as intellectual honesty, and whenever someone doesn't uphold to this, and clearly interested in only showing and defending their bias, the conversation is essentially over.

Eventually, you just grow to ignore the likes of Nuckinfutz, Techarchy and ilk.

Ignore away. I'm simply not going to come onto Macrumors and sit around and let people slag my phone of choice. I'm not bashing Android ...I just don't think it's as good as advertised.

In the end if I'm wrong a bunch of people would descend and rip my posts apart in a persuasive manner and backed with technicals. That's hasn't happened. What't I've got is

"You're a fanboy" "You're drinking the koolaid"

In the end it simply comes down to the mobile platforms mirroring their desktop counterparts.

Android, being Linux based, appeals to those that like to tweak.
iOS appeals to those that like a seamless interface and great design.

 

[Calidude]

it just seems to me Android users are far more honest about Android's shortcomings than iOS users are about iOS' shortcomings.

This is absolutely 100% true. I have yet to meet an Android user who doesn't admit that Android has shortcomings.

 

[nuckinfutz]

This is absolutely 100% true. I have yet to meet an Android user who doesn't admit that Android has shortcomings.

There are plenty of people here that are more than happy to share their feelings on iOS shortcomings.

I've spoken about the lack of an easy way to share files or the clunky app store that yanks users out after every purchase.

This is why i'm happy to see both Android and iOS slow down a bit with these releases and polish a bit more.

 

[MonkeySee....]

As I said earlier, it's gotten to a point where you can really tell whether people have given both platforms a fair chance and usage. People who have will talk very candidly about both platform's strengths and weaknesses. This is known as intellectual honesty, and whenever someone doesn't uphold to this, and clearly interested in only showing and defending their bias, the conversation is essentially over.

Eventually, you just grow to ignore the likes of Nuckinfutz, Techarchy and ilk.

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To elaborate on my point, it just seems to me Android users are far more honest about Android's shortcomings than iOS users are about iOS' shortcomings. How many times have we heard "it just works" as an argument? Or when Samsung's Galaxy SIII is discussed, that S-Voice is a copy of Siri, while ignoring all the novel features that if Apple introduced, they'd be claiming Apple is once again pushing the frontier of innovation? And if Apple should do any copying, ah, then they're just "adopting industry standards."

These disingenuous conversations happen here all the time.

I always wonder why people hate on the iPhone on an Apple site. Surely it would be more productive to hate on Android forum??

 

[AustinIllini]

... okay.

It's clear you've decided to change the subject because you have no case against the fact that Android (ICS/JB) is closing the gap -- some would argue already on par -- with iOS' stability and smoothness.

As a dedicated iOS user, not sure why that bothers you.

I'm actually concerned that the gap has closed. I don't know that ICS is leaps and bounds ahead of iOS, but they are clearly equals at this point. I just do not know how long (i'm sure it's a long time) Apple can hold out being trendy without serious innovation.

I have said, however, in previous threads, that I will buy the next gen iPhone so long as it is LTE compatible. We are finally to the point where anything short of LTE is unacceptable.

 

[Mad Mac Maniac]

I never thought I'd see the day where on the iPhone section of MacRumors, majority of people in a poll prefer Android to iOS...

So my question to all the androids. Why do you waste your time here? Are you on some sort of a quest to prove to iPhone users that Androids are better? That seems kinda sad...

 

[onthecouchagain]

I always wonder why people hate on the iPhone on an Apple site. Surely it would be more productive to hate on Android forum??

Understandable point. I was a former 4 and 4S user, and though I've since switched to the Galaxy Nexus and have said before that the ship is sailing for me and iOS/iPhone, I also admit that Apple is still on my radar (I'm an iPad and Mac user also, if that matters any). I'm as eager to see what Apple unveils this Fall for their next-gen iPhone as anyone, and still enjoy talking iPhone. I don't hate the iPhone (far from it).

I never thought I'd see the day where on the iPhone section of MacRumors, majority of people in a poll prefer Android to iOS...

So my question to all the androids. Why do you waste your time here? Are you on some sort of a quest to prove to iPhone users that Androids are better? That seems kinda sad...

 

[nuckinfutz]

I'm actually concerned that the gap has closed. I don't know that ICS is leaps and bounds ahead of iOS, but they are clearly equals at this point. I just do not know how long (i'm sure it's a long time) Apple can hold out being trendy without serious innovation.

I have said, however, in previous threads, that I will buy the next gen iPhone so long as it is LTE compatible. We are finally to the point where anything short of LTE is unacceptable.

LTE for the win! iOS 6.0 has innovation in it but it's not something that is easy to package and discuss with the rank and file user.

iOS is a much stronger media platform and changes to Game Kit, OpenGL/OpenCL have not let me down. Expect games to run better on iOS with lesser processing power due to some nice updates.

I never thought I'd see the day where on the iPhone section of MacRumors, majority of people in a poll prefer Android to iOS...

So my question to all the androids. Why do you waste your time here? Are you on some sort of a quest to prove to iPhone users that Androids are better? That seems kinda sad...

Or better yet can we get some more solid reasons other than

Widgets! Toggles!

 

[LIVEFRMNYC]

This is absolutely 100% true. I have yet to meet an Android user who doesn't admit that Android has shortcomings.

But I hear Android users all say all the time "That's being worked on" , "Wait til next update", "use a custom rom".

There's plenty shortcomings about Android's history and some still exist. But yet most Android users seem willing to wait it out or take a proactive approach until it get fixed. When iPhone users do the same concerning iOS, they're immediately called fanboy, sheep, and etc. Kind of a double standard.

 

[onthecouchagain]

To me, the most exciting thing about JB is the Swiftkey-like keyboard upgrades. That's going to be nuts.

I'm still disappointed, and amazed that Apple didn't announce any dramatic upgrades to the iOS keyboard. It is outdated, and fails to keep up with fast thumbing. There are constantly missed keys, which lead to typos, which lead to incorrect auto corrections. And there are a plethora of examples of this from the web via all those "Damn you iPhone Auto Correction" type sites; the iOS keyboard gave birth to this internet phenomenon.

This is especially poignant when dealing with work related email. Speaking of which, none too crazy about iOS Mail either. It's so cumbersome that emails aren't fully threaded.

 

[nefan65]

This is absolutely 100% true. I have yet to meet an Android user who doesn't admit that Android has shortcomings.

That's a load of bunk. Maybe not for you, but for me and others it is.

Also, check out some other forums [Engadget is a good one], and see how "honest" those Android proponents are about the shortcomings of the OS.

 

[onthecouchagain]

But I hear Android users all say all the time "That's being worked on" , "Wait til next update", "use a custom rom".

There's plenty shortcomings about Android's history and some still exist. But yet most Android users seem willing to wait it out or take a proactive approach until it get fixed. When iPhone users do the same concerning iOS, they're immediately called fanboy, sheep, and etc. Kind of a double standard.

Good point, and certainly there are intellectually honest iOS users, but to clarify, I'm talking about the ilk who only respond with "it just works!" or "the iPhone is perfect!". They exist on the Android side, for sure, but you just don't hear that sort of thing as frequently or fervently. I, myself, have posted on this very forum my disappointments with my Galaxy Nexus and ICS in a thread discussing Android (it'll be pretty far back if anyone feels like digging through my post history). And before ICS, I was an even harsher critic of Android (the GB keyboard was horrendous).

Plus, the level of misunderstanding and obfuscation of Android is revealing of people's ignorance of the platform. Like I said earlier, it's getting to a point where it's become pretty obvious who has used both platforms fairly.

 

[Zamolxis]

Good point, and certainly there are intellectually honest iOS users, but to clarify, I'm talking about the ilk who only respond with "it just works!" or "the iPhone is perfect!". They exist on the Android side, for sure, but you just don't hear that sort of thing as frequently or fervently. I, myself, have posted on this very forum my disappointments with my Galaxy Nexus and ICS in a thread discussing Android (it'll be pretty far back if anyone feels like digging through my post history). And before ICS, I was an even harsher critic of Android (the GB keyboard was horrendous).

Plus, the level of misunderstanding and obfuscation of Android is revealing of people's ignorance of the platform. Like I said earlier, it's getting to a point where it's become pretty obvious who has used both platforms fairly.

because it doesn't "just work"... you have to tweak the hell out of it and remove a lot of crapware...

 

[onthecouchagain]

And again, I point to the Samsung Galaxy SIII as a prime example of this. The vast majority of Apple tech sites and fans could only talk about how S-Voice is a copy of Siri, which it is. But they failed to acknowledge or decided to ignore novel features like Smart Stay, Direct Dial via proximity sensor, wireless charging, pop out video, tilt to scroll, gestures, etc. -- all of which are either new to smartphones, or at the very least, not copied from Apple.

Copying goes both ways, and I don't care who copies who. It just means things are getting better for each respective platform. But credit should be given where it's due (I would never deny the impact and influence of the iPhone on the industry). And if Apple introduced these features? Forgetaboutit. Everyone would be calling them innovators or pushing the frontier again. But if Samsung does it? It gets completely ignored, and not just that, but the one thing that they did copy gets focused on so much.

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because it doesn't "just work"... you have to tweak the hell out of it and remove a lot of crapware...

That's fair. Indeed, given the plethora of devices that run Android, and given the huge range of markets Android devices are targeting, it's true one can get an incredibly poor Android device. This is where research helps. It's just the nature of the beast.

Personally, I'd never get anything outside the Nexus line.

 

[Mad Mac Maniac]

Understandable point. I was a former 4 and 4S user, and though I've since switched to the Galaxy Nexus and have said before that the ship is sailing for me and iOS/iPhone...

Ok, now you have illuminated another type of smartphone user that has always baffled me, and you are far from the only one so nothing personal. You have owned (at least) 3 different smartphones in less than 2 years. I've noticed that trend here where many people get a new phone about every 6-8 months. Many times people go back to their old phone after a 6 month hiatus.

So I wonder both how and why? So first how? I guess you just always buy phones off contract or with early upgrade prices? So then each phone costs in the $400-$600 range. Do you just not care about friviously wasting your money (regardless of how much you have)? And secondly why? Do you really get so bored by your phone after a few months? That would be like switching computers every 8 months. I feel like these people have smartphone ADD.

 

[onthecouchagain]

Ok, now you have illuminated another type of smartphone user that has always baffled me, and you are far from the only one so nothing personal. You have owned (at least) 3 different smartphones in less than 2 years. I've noticed that trend here where many people get a new phone about every 6-8 months. Many times people go back to their old phone after a 6 month hiatus.

So I wonder both how and why? So first how? I guess you just always buy phones off contract or with early upgrade prices? So then each phone costs in the $400-$600 range. Do you just not care about friviously wasting your money (regardless of how much you have)? And secondly why? Do you really get so bored by your phone after a few months? That would be like switching computers every 8 months. I feel like these people have smartphone ADD.

Baffling, isn't it, doctor?

 

[mbell1975]

I never thought I'd see the day where on the iPhone section of MacRumors, majority of people in a poll prefer Android to iOS...

So my question to all the androids. Why do you waste your time here? Are you on some sort of a quest to prove to iPhone users that Androids are better? That seems kinda sad...

You don't get it do you? Look at the join date of these people and you will see many have been here for years. These aren't Android fans coming here to cause trouble, they are former iPhone users who realized there are better phones out there and switched over.

 

[Technarchy]

You don't get it do you? Look at the join date of these people and you will see many have been here for years. These aren't Android fans coming here to cause trouble, they are former iPhone users who realized there are better phones out there and switched over.

Trolls are trolls

 

[mbell1975]

Trolls are trolls

And fanboys are fanboys...

 

[0m3ga]

You don't get it do you? Look at the join date of these people and you will see many have been here for years. These aren't Android fans coming here to cause trouble, they are former iPhone users who realized there are better phones out there and switched over.

Bingo. Some of us woke up and realized there was a better option outside of Apples control.
*que Apple's 1984 commercial here*

 

[nuckinfutz]

I'm all for personal choice.

If Apple doesn't give you what you want then don't buy their product.

 

[VulchR]

This is what Apple is missing, simply because they KNOW their users are mostly helpless people who beg some kid at an Apple store to make their iPhone do something.

@ Calidude:

This is the kind of insulting, belittling crap that makes wish that Android threads be put into a separate forum. The simple fact is that you have no idea what experience and knowledge Apple fans have. Instead, you rely on a stereotype that inflates your own sense of self-worth.

I am very computer literate, having used and programmed computers since the days of punch cards. I use Apple products for one reason only: They get the job done elegantly and reliably. You believe Android products do the same. That's fine. Thanks for sharing.