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Sold my ‘21 M1 iPad Pro to a coder that uses an galaxy s22 and wanted to game on the iPad.

His words “apple has THE fastest chips!” Stared at me dead in the eye too! Great conversation, actually all my purchases or sales on grey market for apple products have been highly positive and inspiring experiences.

It’s been a very selfish and well deserved rewarding week:
iPhone 13 mini, waiting case and screen protector …
iPad mini 6 (typing on this currently. Needs paperlike and folio before it leaves the crib, but man this thing is a beast! I love how small and one handed in portrait and super easy in landscape this is. Very happy with this over the M1!
Beats fit pros.
 
I'll take my M1 iPP 11 over the iPad Mini 6 any day thank you. Got my iPP on sale for $100 off bringing it to $799. Only $150 more than the mini.
I feel the opposite, I would pay more for the Mini because the size is absolutely perfect for me. An 11 inch tablet would be terrible for my use.
 
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I feel the opposite, I would pay more for the Mini because the size is absolutely perfect for me. An 11 inch tablet would be terrible for my use.
My iPP replaced my MBP for my Real Estate businesses. While the iPad Mini 6 would be a great small tablet to have, I could never use it for my business purposes. I take a lot of notes and sketch house and property dimensions. I create, edit, and annotate contracts, pdf's, and documents. I use spreadsheets to keep track of business expenses and rent income along with other data bases. I take and edit a lot of videos for listing ads and virtual showings. I use Safari for full desktop access to the local Multiple Listing Services (Paragon) to search listings and submit listings. As much as I'd love to have a Mini, the screen would be a tad too small for my needs, just as the 12.9" iPP screen is too big for my needs. The mini also has only 4GB Ram. IMO the iPP 11" is the perfect middle ground for value, portability, power, and screen size.
 
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My iPP replaced my MBP for my Real Estate businesses. While the iPad Mini 6 would be a great small tablet to have, I could never use it for my business purposes. I take a lot of notes and sketch house and property dimensions. I create, edit, and annotate contracts, pdf's, and documents. I use spreadsheets to keep track of business expenses and rent income along with other data bases. I take and edit a lot of videos for listing ads and virtual showings. I use Safari for full desktop access to the local Multiple Listing Services (Paragon) to search listings and submit listings. As much as I'd love to have a Mini, the screen would be a tad too small for my needs, just as the 12.9" iPP screen is too big for my needs. The mini also has only 4GB Ram. IMO the iPP 11" is the perfect middle ground for value, portability, power, and screen size.
Yeah, I completely understand what you’re saying. In your situation the 11 inch size is important.

I also use my iPad to run my business. I am an electrical contractor so I use my iPad to show customers examples, to write up estimates and invoices, to accept credit cards, scheduling, notetaking, etc. and a bunch of other things. Truth be told, I was able to do all this from my iPhone, the iPad just makes it a bit easier.
 
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I’m actually a little bothered by the fact that I could easily replace a computer with my iPad except for the fact that there are a few things that the developers won’t allow us to do on an iPad. They have the ability to let us do it, they just choose not to. There are times where I have to stop what I’m doing, get up, go to my computer, turn it on, and use it to do something small that I’m not able to do on the iPad. Once that is done, then I could go back to using the iPad.

I wish they would fix this, it’s not like it would be hard to do, it’s just a choice.
I find it very helpfull to list theese things instead of just assuming we know what they are. Who knows, maybe some developers visit this forum, and it could even lead to these things being fixed ??
 
More often than not it’s not Apple, it’s another company.

Let me give you an example of what I am talking about. When I go to my bank’s website on a mobile device browser, it forces me to use the mobile app. That’s fine, except for the fact that there are a few setting changes that are not available on the app. So for me to do what I need, I have to go to a normal computer to use the desktop browser to login to my bank’s website and make the change.

The bank has the choice to make the settings available in the mobile app, or allow me to go to their website using a mobile browser, but they don’t do either. And because of that, I still have to own a computer and go use it sometimes.

It’s not like the technology isn’t there to allow me to use an iPad for everything, it’s just a choice that companies and developers make.
yes, I also find this to be the core of the problem. It seems developers are still treating iPad as ‘iPad’ not a computer.
Well, maybe Apple is to blame for this - as it took a very long time for iPad to became really useful - and computer like. I remember using my first iPad (iPad One), and I mostly considered it just a web browser, calendar viewer, and remote for iTunes.

iPad has gone a looonng way from those days, really - in some aspects it’s more than a laptop, and can for sure do more than a laptop can, but some developers (and users) are not realizing this, and still treat it as - what it was when the first one came out.

Even thou, its wayyy more than that.
In reality - its more powerful than a ‘normal laptop’, yet software - but even more - realizations of its capabilities - is not there yet. *(not quite, not in full)
 
Great question.

As mentioned in my original post, I can work within the limitations of iPad OS, but owning an iMac means I'm no longer choosing to. I think the main thing when I think about your question is friction and reliability. Running a business, I'm currently at a stage in my life where I'm working longer hours than when I was in a 9-5 role. As you can imagine, any chance to save time means a lot to me, and the iMac lets me get from point A to B quicker. If I solely relied on iPad, I'd be working longer hours than I already am because certain tasks take longer to complete on iPad or I would have to double check my work because of reliability concerns.

Whilst I'm despondent in my belief that Apple have no intention of making the iPad a full replacement for my computing needs, that doesn't mean I don't love the iPad. Actually, since the iPad 2, iPad has been one of my favourite device to use. But starting my business meant I just couldn't use it as my only device.

Improvements I'd like to see:

  • App feature parity. One thing I've noticed is that many developers have created apps that lack features compare to their desktop counterparts. This is even the case with Apple's own apps. My ideal scenario is to retain the amazing touch based experience of the iPad apps without having to be limited in what I can achieve because features are missing. I think this is one of the main limitations I come across with iPad. There are many times where I have to wait to get back to the iMac to complete something small because the feature was missing on iPad in an app.

  • The browser situation. Safari on iPad doesn't work as well as it does on the Mac. Extensions don't feel reliable or like their desktop counterparts. Moreover, iPad OS purposely and artificially limits other browsers by forcing them to use WebKit rendering to avoid giving Apple competition. What that means is when I come across an issue like being unable to fill in an online form, I can't just download another web browser. This issue affected me just the other day and you can read more about why I take such issue with the browser situation here.

  • Files app. I think this issue has been touched upon. The Files app doesn't feel reliable to me. This is especially prevalent when trying to move files between the iPad and an external hard drive. I can't garauntee all my files are going to move correctly - if at all. With my design apps, especially Affinity Designer, I also feel the way files are managed is not 100% reliable - but that's not fully an Apple issue, and I've sent feedback to Serif before about how they manage files in their iPad apps. The Mac doesn't have any of these issue because Finder is reliable for my workflows. When running a business, I need reliability, and the iPad just doesn't meet that requirement yet.

  • Multitasking. I think we're in agreement that we don't want the iPad to turn into the Mac with floating windows. I don't want Apple to just port Mac OS onto the iPad. But I feel multitasking is severely limited on iPad. We have split-screen and slide over which are nice (I'd love slide over on the Mac). However, let's look at certain things like listening to audio - right now I can only listen to one thing. That wouldn't necessarily be an issue except when I go on Safari and a webpage has a video load up it causes my audio to pause. It's frustrating. I also get frustrated because not every app allows split screen or slide over yet. I think Apple need to make that a requirement. For example, when I'm working on Affinity Designer, it doesn't support split screen so I have to use the iMac for reference material. iPad doesn't tell you which apps work in split screen so you have to guess and hope. Once again, there's friction in the process.

  • External monitors. I think we can also agree that external monitor support is severely limited right now. It mirrors the iPad screen directly and there are black bars on the side. My ideal is for the external monitor to act as its own display where I can load different apps - using the Affinity Designer multitasking example from earlier, I could have the app open on the iPad and display the reference material on the external monitor. Equally, I'd like the iPad to expand to fill the space on an external monitor rather than show black bars on the side.

  • Camera position. I don't know if this is just me but I hate how the camera is positioned on iPad. I believe on the iPad Pro 12.9 the position of the camera should be in landscape position. When I tried using iPad for a remote meeting, I didn't feel confident because of the camera angle. In my mind, it looked like a lack of professionalism, and I've since stopped taking video calls on iPad all together. In addition, when you are in a video call, I don't feel confident I can use split screen or slide over to access the reference material I might need. In some apps it causes the camera to shut off, and once again, that lack of reliability and professionalism meant I've stayed away from taking video calls on the iPad.

  • System data. This is a pain point for me with the iPad storage and the reason I stopped using Lumafusion all together. There are days where my System Data is around 90+ gb and I have no way of seeing what is taking up all that space on iPad. I've restarted the iPad from scratch before to try and resolve the issue but it always comes back since running iPad OS 15 last year. For some reason, this is only affecting my iPad and doesn't affect my iPhone or iMac. But I'd like Apple to fix the way it shows storage on all devices to make it easier for the consumer to manage their storage - you also cannot see System Data on Mac yet. The other day I was in a design meeting and the iPad suddenly flagged that I'd run out of storage. But almost all of it was coming from system data. This issue makes me worried about the reliability of using iPad for projects. If Apple gave me more control over my own storage, I'd feel a lot more confident.
This is a great answer! Thank you!
I agree with all points, even thou - I’d like to point out that some of them are not iPadOS related, but third party software related.
 
I have the option to request to display desktop websites in Safari, but that is only a request. It doesn’t force it. It is up to the website itself to determine what they give you.
Let me help about this in particular.

If you are using the newest OS, so 15.4.1 Safari requests desktop websites by default - and it also represents itself as a Safari browser on MacOS!! So this is very important - as webpages register your visit as you came for ma Mac not form the iPad.

there is another thing you can use to circumvent this issue - and it is to use an ‘advanced’ browser, like iCabMobile is. Its an amazing feature packed browser that lets you customize pretty much everything, and is more powerful than most desktop class browsers. It also lets you choose how you want to be represented (what should browser say it is), and you can choose form a wide variety of browser identities - including Safari on Mac, but also Chrome / Windows / Linux combinations.

So, I trust this would fix your issue.


Here’s a list of Browser ID’s you can choose from
 

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Let me help about this in particular.

If you are using the newest OS, so 15.4.1 Safari requests desktop websites by default - and it also represents itself as a Safari browser on MacOS!! So this is very important - as webpages register your visit as you came for ma Mac not form the iPad.
This is interesting. As others have mentioned, they’re able to get the desktop site on their larger iPad, but not on smaller iPads.

So, could what you have said above only apply to larger iPads?
 
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This is interesting. As others have mentioned, they’re able to get the desktop site on their larger iPad, but not on smaller iPads.

So, could what you have said above only apply to larger iPads?
Its very possible the developers of that site in particular are using your device resolution to determine what kind of website to show you. Other than screen resolution - and device ID, there isn’t another way for the website to determine what to show you.

As for resolution - this is also possible to circumvent - by changing the resolution iPad uses to render your website. Mostly - iPad will scale the website - as - in reality it has an incredibly powerful and pixel dense screen - with more pixels on it’s disposal than most laptops have.

But - on order not to make the displayed website look to small it will scale it to a ‘iPad resolution’. Now - the good thing is you can change this - and you can do so by pressing the aA button on safari - which gives you an option to set ’zoom level’ to one you like.

I have tested this option before and websites - register - theese changes in resolution - as they should.
 
Big downgrade there
The portability for me is the big upgrade. I’m not an visual artist and the M1 Pro was fully wasted on me, though I really loved having it.

Main computing is still work Win10 laptop but I’m aiming for a 14” MBP as my primary device.

The mini 6 is for home use and out while bike riding for breaks/rests jotting down thoughts, reading learning to draw, web email etc.

Now when I say learning to draw, think of this. My stick men look like they’ve been hit by lightning! Not on purpose either. I cannot draw a hand without outlining my own. I want to improve.
 
I find it very helpfull to list theese things instead of just assuming we know what they are. Who knows, maybe some developers visit this forum, and it could even lead to these things being fixed ??
For what it’s worth, every time that I have to get up to go use a computer to do something, I will go to that company‘s website and submit a suggestion that they make that particular option, and all other options, available either on their mobile app or on their website when using a mobile browser.
 
Concerning Safari showing desktop sites, this ability started with iPadOS (that is 13) and has not really changed since. Back then I discovered that while the desktop view (tricking the website in thinking it's a Mac) was enabled by default in large and mid-sized iPads, it had to be enabled manually on the mini.
I did it and I have been having no specific issues since. I can display desktop gmail no problem (I have several accounts). The only issues, which are not specific to the mini, but to any iPad with low RAM, is that sometimes, when tabs reload for lack of RAM, gmail detects it is a mobile device and treats it like such. In that case it's best to completely kill Safari and start over, otherwise gmail will continue to treat it like a mobile site. The same happens in Android tablets.
 
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Concerning Safari showing desktop sites, this ability started with iPadOS (that is 13) and has not really changed since. Back then I discovered that while the desktop view (tricking the website in thinking it's a Mac) was enabled by default in large and mid-sized iPads, it had to be enabled manually on the mini.
I did it and I have been having no specific issues since. I can display desktop gmail no problem (I have several accounts). The only issues, which are not specific to the mini, but to any iPad with low RAM, is that sometimes, when tabs reload for lack of RAM, gmail detects it is a mobile device and treats it like such. In that case it's best to completely kill Safari and start over, otherwise gmail will continue to treat it like a mobile site. The same happens in Android tablets.
Are you sure? I just tried the Gmail site on my Mini and I couldn’t get it to load the desktop site. I tried force quitting Safari too.

By the way, the word “request” in “request desktop website” seems to imply the website has a choice. If so, wouldn’t that mean Safari can’t truly force or trick a website into providing the desktop site?
 
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Are you sure? I just tried the Gmail site on my Mini and I couldn’t get it to load the desktop site. I tried force quitting Safari too.

By the way, the word “request” in “request desktop website” seems to imply the website has a choice. If so, wouldn’t that mean Safari can’t truly force or trick a website into providing the desktop site?
Safari can trick a website by using a Mac engine instead of the mobile engine, but for some reason sometimes this does not work when the app reloads. Try doing the following, log out of gmail, kill safari and maybe even restart your ipad. Open google.com and go to gmail from there and log back in.
 
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To these I would add Multiple Audio Streams. I should be able to record a podcast with myself and another party joining via FaceTime audio (or Skype, etc.) using the awesome Ferrite app. But iOS’s limitation of monitoring only one audio input at a time makes this impossible.

As for Luma Fusion, I discovered tons of data taking up space in Settings/Storage/Luma Fusion. Also in the Files/On My iPad/Luma Fusion folder. Deleting stuff from these locations makes a world of difference. If you need to keep media for current projects you can always transfer (from the Files app) to an external SSD.

Really appreciate this! Been able to recover some much needed storage space by going into the Files/On My iPad/Luma Fusion folder ?
 
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This would really excite me. One can only hope.....


This feels like it would be a huge update. I have to admit I'm skeptical - I've seen this before where these YouTubers hype up the next iPad update, and then at WWDC it's literally just a 5 minute update ? Equally:

  1. What Max Tech is stating sounds too big for one update. It sounds like something they would sprinkle slowly so they have something to say for iPad OS 17, 18, 19, etc.
  2. A huge update like this would likely bring a lot of bugs and Apple are already getting flack for their software being buggier than the "good old days."
  3. It sounds like a change in direction from what I've seen from Apple recently. As I mentioned before, everything I've seen seems to indicate Apple view iPad as more of an accessory to the Mac. Sidecar and Universal Control being the biggest in my mind. Equally, one could give the counterargument to my point with the Magic Keyboard which I'd like to acknowledge upfront.
  4. Does this create confusion in the iPad line up? I assume it would be the M1 and M2 iPads that can run such an update. Does that create confusion amongst general consumers about why their iPad cannot do x, or why their iPad looks different to the software they're seeing on the iPad Pro 2021 or 22. Equally the "complexity" of multiple modes could confuse some of the less tech-adept users which I've always felt Apple were proud their iPad could work for.
 
This would really excite me. One can only hope.....

As I wrote in a comment under that video:
"The issue I have with this video is that most of its contents is not leaks but wishlists (Mark Gurmann, who was clear in his newsletter about it) and concepts. The way it was presented it seems it's actual leaks, which makes not only the title clickbaity but also the video itself..."
 
As I wrote in a comment under that video:
"The issue I have with this video is that most of its contents is not leaks but wishlists (Mark Gurmann, who was clear in his newsletter about it) and concepts. The way it was presented it seems it's actual leaks, which makes not only the title clickbaity but also the video itself..."

I had the same thought - just another compendium of wish list items. 16 will likely be as exciting as 15 ...
 
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Yeah this channel doesn't know anything, they just produce pretty repetitive videos... I believe it when I see it, until then it's still just an iPad.
 
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