iPad as a laptop replacement

[Bubble99]

Not a kid, but thanks for thinking so. Never took computer science but am one of the boomers you speak of and have used all those things you mentioned in reference to boomers. I just really get and love the iPad. Simple, intuitive, fun, easily replaced my MBP and took over taking care of my Real Estate businesses back in 11/2021. Still loving my M1 iPP 11. Cut my workflow and reduced the number of devices I carry.

Will state this again so there is no mistake that I realize that the iPad cannot replace a laptop or traditional pc if you will for everyone, and it never will. Just like a Chrome Book or Linux machine will never be able to replace MacOS or Windows for everybody, but they, like iPads are viable alternatives to many. Congrats to the ones who can. Happy, happy to the ones whos traditional computer experience is enhanced because of their iPad tablet computer.

Open the mind! Traditional is not always best, and new is not always inferior. Different is not bad, but a welcome addition to what has come before. A new computing experience that is not meant to be the same as the previous. I get it, and have come to really appreciate not only what it is now, but the potential of what it can and will become. Unless something drastically changes, the iPad and its OS have a secure place in the computing future.

Edit...Those devices you mentioned in green don't have multiple simple and intuitive ways to interact with them. The iPad does.

There are hundreds of threads here at macrumors and well it is getting boring yes very boring reading because you got camp A that say iPad cannot replace computer and than you got camp B that say it did it for me or I changed my work flow and it did replace it. That not the augmented here at all. The augmented is Apple is limiting the OS features that windows 95 had. They are slowing making baby steps to pro OS.

And I said it in a other thread on a similar topic even if Apple did want to go all in and make it a 100% pro like many camp A people here that say it in well many threads here that it is not a true computer, I believe iOS is really holding them back. Yes Apple calls it iPadOS but it is build on iOS. Likewise when Microsoft moved windows 9x to Windows XP base of Windows NT than Windows made leaps and bonds.

Windows 95 and Windows 98 was built for one user the security was terrible and had lots of problems and well Microsoft could of said okay that bring out windows 98x than windows 98 xe than windows 98 xy but no Microsoft said that bring out windows XP base of Windows NT that is when Microsoft started to shine.

Well Windows NT not the best and not really designed for the internet it was way beyond windows 95, Windows 98 and Windows ME that was built for one user for the home.

That look at DOS and Windows 3.1 it did not really have multitasking and programs could eat up as much RAM has they can and crash lot because of memory leaks. Well Windows 95 and Windows 98 had multitasking the OS was not limited or caped by number of apps that could run or be open but was tied to the RAM.

How Windows and Linux handles RAM is when you running out of RAM the computer starts to get really slow and start to use SWAP file it than get slow and really slow than really slow and if it runs out or over the limit it will crash. I understanding dumbing down of society now for your kids and Grandma that would not know to check task manger and they may think you got malware or bad hardware but please the dumbing down of society by Apple that thinks a slow computer or crash is bad but app refresh is better solution. And well may be app refresh is a better for kids and Grandma it confuses boomers that use to old way and control they had.

The file system and OS complexity being scary and society dumbing down pro features for the sake that Windows and Linux is way too complex than I really fear the future doctors, air pilots and engineers if OS comes across being complex and scary how they are going get master degree or a phd in many fields.

And they should be teaching basic 101 computers in elementary school and high school.

The iPadOS feels like really strange place as some features seem very new and modern and other features holding the iPad back and limiting it seem like road between DOS and Windows 95.

 

[Bubble99]

System 76? Who? Seriously? No need to argue with your well-researched and logical comparisons and conclusions. Carry on then!

If you cannot do basic research on what system 76 is than I will not spoon feed you the knowledge.

This is an adult discussion with basic knowledge at very least basic knowledge of computers.

If you don’t know basic knowledge I will not spoon feed you computer 101 crash course to keep up with the discussion. It is up to you to Google and read up on system 76 it up to you to read similar threads on similar topics here.

If this what colleges and universities are teaching now days in a computer class than I fear the future what going to happen.

If some one does not know what system 76 is or similar like tuxedo example than man society is going of the deep in.

 

[rillrill]

Personally, I was impressed and reassured by Apple's keynote this month. I think Apple is doing something unique with iPadOS. They pretty much said in the keynote that it's not a Mac or an iPhone, but something in the middle. So it would make sense that they just do not put macOS on an iPad as some duel-booting Frankenstein.

One thing that Craig said in the WWDC22 keynote is that Apple is continuing "our work to make iPad apps more capable with desktop-class apps." I think that a lot of the issues pro-ish users run into are a lot more complicated to fix than some people realize. iPad has had years and years of pretty much one metaphor for interacting with it. Apple can't upend that for a small, but growing, group of people. It's just going to be a slow, but deliberate rollout of more desktop features to the iPad.

TLDR - if you can't get all of your work done on an iPad, oh well. If you can just use an iPad, great!

Nevertheless, more and more desktop features will trickle down to the iPad eventually, and maybe one day you can just use your iPad (or, secretly my hope, just your iPhone plugged into a monitor with Stage Manager running ), but the iPad also needs the support of app developers to continue this push toward more capable apps. Just some thoughts...

 

[bondr006]

Personally, I was impressed and reassured by Apple's keynote this month. I think Apple is doing something unique with iPadOS. They pretty much said in the keynote that it's not a Mac or an iPhone, but something in the middle. So it would make sense that they just do not put macOS on an iPad as some duel-booting Frankenstein.

One thing that Craig said in the WWDC22 keynote is that Apple is continuing "our work to make iPad apps more capable with desktop-class apps." I think that a lot of the issues pro-ish users run into are a lot more complicated to fix than some people realize. iPad has had years and years of pretty much one metaphor for interacting with it. Apple can't upend that for a small, but growing, group of people. It's just going to be a slow, but deliberate rollout of more desktop features to the iPad.

TLDR - if you can't get all of your work done on an iPad, oh well. If you can just use an iPad, great!

Nevertheless, more and more desktop features will trickle down to the iPad eventually, and maybe one day you can just use your iPad (or, secretly my hope, just your iPhone plugged into a monitor with Stage Manager running ), but the iPad also needs the support of app developers to continue this push toward more capable apps. Just some thoughts...

Exactly! Nail on the head! No one wants a tablet Mac, at least not me. iPadOS is its own unique, capable, and ever maturing OS(just like all OS's). Like I said above, I love iPadOS for what it is and am excited for what it can and will become.

 

[bondr006]

If you cannot do basic research on what system 76 is than I will not spoon feed you the knowledge.

This is an adult discussion with basic knowledge at very least basic knowledge of computers.

If you don’t know basic knowledge I will not spoon feed you computer 101 crash course to keep up with the discussion. It is up to you to Google and read up on system 76 it up to you to read similar threads on similar topics here.

If this what colleges and universities are teaching now days in a computer class than I fear the future what going to happen.

If some one does not know what system 76 is or similar like tuxedo example than man society is going of the deep in.

The vast majority of the planet has never heard of "System 76" wise guy. Everybody knows what MacOS. iOS, Windows, Android, Chrome, and to a lesser extent Linux is. "System 76" is a pc maker that uses Linux OS but doesn't even have 1% of the Mac and PC market. Heck, even Chromebooks handily beat the snot out of "System 76" for market share. Who cares who System 76 is? Get with the program, we are talking Apple and iPad here.

infact.com - System 76

Dun & Bradstreet - System 76

 

[bondr006]

That look at DOS and Windows 3.1 it did not really have multitasking and programs could eat up as much RAM has they can and crash lot because of memory leaks. Well Windows 95 and Windows 98 had multitasking the OS was not limited or caped by number of apps that could run or be open but was tied to the RAM.

There are hundreds of threads here at macrumors and well it is getting boring yes very boring reading because you got camp A that say iPad cannot replace computer and than you got camp B that say it did it for me or I changed my work flow and it did replace it. That not the augmented here at all. The augmented is Apple is limiting the OS features that windows 95 had. They are slowing making baby steps to pro OS.

And I said it in a other thread on a similar topic even if Apple did want to go all in and make it a 100% pro like many camp A people here that say it in well many threads here that it is not a true computer, I believe iOS is really holding them back. Yes Apple calls it iPadOS but it is build on iOS. Likewise when Microsoft moved windows 9x to Windows XP base of Windows NT than Windows made leaps and bonds.

Windows 95 and Windows 98 was built for one user the security was terrible and had lots of problems and well Microsoft could of said okay that bring out windows 98x than windows 98 xe than windows 98 xy but no Microsoft said that bring out windows XP base of Windows NT that is when Microsoft started to shine.

Well Windows NT not the best and not really designed for the internet it was way beyond windows 95, Windows 98 and Windows ME that was built for one user for the home.

That look at DOS and Windows 3.1 it did not really have multitasking and programs could eat up as much RAM has they can and crash lot because of memory leaks. Well Windows 95 and Windows 98 had multitasking the OS was not limited or caped by number of apps that could run or be open but was tied to the RAM.

How Windows and Linux handles RAM is when you running out of RAM the computer starts to get really slow and start to use SWAP file it than get slow and really slow than really slow and if it runs out or over the limit it will crash. I understanding dumbing down of society now for your kids and Grandma that would not know to check task manger and they may think you got malware or bad hardware but please the dumbing down of society by Apple that thinks a slow computer or crash is bad but app refresh is better solution. And well may be app refresh is a better for kids and Grandma it confuses boomers that use to old way and control they had.

The file system and OS complexity being scary and society dumbing down pro features for the sake that Windows and Linux is way too complex than I really fear the future doctors, air pilots and engineers if OS comes across being complex and scary how they are going get master degree or a phd in many fields.

And they should be teaching basic 101 computers in elementary school and high school.

The iPadOS feels like really strange place as some features seem very new and modern and other features holding the iPad back and limiting it seem like road between DOS and Windows 95.

I just love how you berate everybody's technical knowledge, or according to you, lack thereof. Gotta be honest. It was really hard reading all that gobbledygook you just wrote up there.

Fact is, it took Microsoft 10 years to get to Win95 and get the modern multitasking you point out. iPadOS has only been around since September 24, 2019, not even 3 years yet. Give all the complaining about iPadOS a break and just enjoy it for what it is. In the mean time, have some patience with Apple, and if you can't wait for iPadOS to mature and get to exactly where you want it to be, feel free to step off and take a different path at any point.

BTW. If you think the iPad Pro is expensive for what it and its OS have to offer, check out the expense of a computer back in the late 80's to early 90's, complete with a 80386 processor running pre Windows 95.

From The Silicon Underground

The Compaq Deskpro 386, announced in September 1986

"The base price was $6,499 for a system with 1 MB of RAM, MS-DOS 3.1, a single 1.2 MB floppy drive, and a 40 MB hard drive with a 30-ms seek time. The price didn’t include a monitor or video card. A basic CGA/monochrome video card was $199 and an EGA card was $599. A color monitor was $799. By the time you added the video card and a monitor, a complete system cost almost $8,000. In 2017 dollars, that would be nearly $18,000."

And today, that $8,000 from 1986 is equivalent in purchasing power to about $21,335.47.

The iPad Pro doesn't sound so expensive anymore. We paid a lot more back then for computers with OS's that can't hold a candle to the iPad and iPadOS.

 

[sparksd]

The vast majority of the planet has never heard of "System 76" wise guy. Everybody knows what MacOS. iOS, Windows, Android, Chrome, and to a lesser extent Linux is. "System 76" is a pc maker that uses Linux OS but doesn't even have 1% of the Mac and PC market. Heck, even Chromebooks handily beat the snot out of "System 76" for market share. Who cares who System 76 is? Get with the program, we are talking Apple and iPad here.

infact.com - System 76
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Dun & Bradstreet - System 76
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I've known about System76 & Tuxedo Computers but I'm a retired s/w & h/w professional with 50 years experience and I agree that these are niche products that the majority of general-user people have never heard about. Merits aside, Linux and UNIX are not widespread in the general personal computing community.

 

[Digitalguy]

I too have heard of System76 but I am a geek, not the average person.
Having said that, a lot of this debate seems pointless to me.
Using market cap to show how good is iPad or a Surface pro makes little sense since iPhone makes the bulk of revenues for Apple and Surface is a drop in the sea of Microsoft revenues.
Similarly, saying that iPadOS cannot do things computer did 30 years ago makes little sense too.
I think people underestimate how hard is to make iPadOS more similar to a traditional OS (hence some of us proposing the dual boot shortcut, which will never happen).
Why?
iPad was not created as a Macbook alternative but as a big iPod for browsing, media consumption etc capable of being snappy with 10 year old hardware (yes, the hardware in the 2010 iPad was in line with that of computers from 10 years earlier, except for storage type), hence a very limited and stripped-down OS, very similar to what the iPhone offered.
Over the years iPad hardware has improved and the pro line has decoupled from iPhone to the point where it reached parity with the entry level Mac with M1 (earlier iPads may have been faster in CPU but had less RAM than Macs, and the entry level iPas is still inferior to Macs).
But turning the OS into a more capable one is very hard and exposes the limitations of older iPad pros or of current non pro iPads (notably RAM is too limited for proper work and the screen is cramped). This started already with iOS 9, which killed the performance of older iPads and has continued up until Stage Manager, which excluded non M1, with iPadOS 16.
The process is slow and even the issue with the file app are the heritage of a system where the file system was hidden even to developers.
Also, despite all Apple efforts, developers of desktop software need to take the iPad seriously and this is not going to be a easy task...
So it's inevitable that the capabilities of iPad are going to increase slowly (and it's not Apple slowing down things, it's the starting system, and philosophy, that was much more limited, even compared to Android) and the only thing we can blame Apple for is not giving us any shortcut (and it's understandable, that's why while wanting MacOS as an option on iPad pro, I have always known that would never happen)

 

[Ludatyk]

Also, despite all Apple efforts, developers of desktop software need to take the iPad seriously and this is not going to be a easy task...
So it's inevitable that the capabilities of iPad are going to increase slowly (and it's not Apple slowing down things, it's the starting system, and philosophy, that was much more limited, even compared to Android) and the only thing we can blame Apple for is not giving us any shortcut (and it's understandable, that's why while wanting MacOS as an option on iPad pro, I have always known that would never happen)

You are slowly coming around when previously you used the word “never.”

 

[sparksd]

You are slowly coming around when previously you used the word “never.”

As a retired oldie, I'd probably go with "not in my lifetime".

 

[prospervic]

If you cannot do basic research on what system 76 is than I will not spoon feed you the knowledge.

This is an adult discussion with basic knowledge at very least basic knowledge of computers.

If you don’t know basic knowledge I will not spoon feed you computer 101 crash course to keep up with the discussion. It is up to you to Google and read up on system 76 it up to you to read similar threads on similar topics here.

If this what colleges and universities are teaching now days in a computer class than I fear the future what going to happen.

If some one does not know what system 76 is or similar like tuxedo example than man society is going of the deep in.

>Yawn<. Yes, I’m familiar with System 76. I was being sarcastic at your pointless comparing a comparatively niche Linux-box assembler to one of the world’s dominant corporations and operating systems. Yes, it’s easy to introduce new laptops every year when you are using a free, open-source operating system and shipping tens of thousands of units as opposed to hundreds of millions!

I tried to gracefully let you off the hook and out of this conversation, but I see that you are determined to continue embarrassing yourself. As Hawkeye said on the old Mash TV series: “Quit while your behind, Frank.”

 

[prospervic]

View attachment 2017767 View attachment 2017773 You sir, are wrong! @Tyler O'Bannon

My iPad Pro is a tablet computer that has fully replaced my MBP for running my Real Estate businesses.

A computer like anything else consists of the components that makes it what it is. In the case of a modern computer the list consists of:

1. CPU
2. GPU
3. Motherboard
4. Memory(RAM)
5. Storage
6. Power Supply
7. I/O - USB, SD and Micro SD cards, external HD's and SSD's
8. The ability to use keyboard and mouse
9. Operating System

The iPad has all these and is fully a computer by any definition of computer..

A.) From Dictionary.com​

Computer

1. a programmable electronic device designed to accept data, perform prescribed mathematical and logical operations at high speed, and display the results of these operations. Mainframes, desktop and laptop computers, tablets, and smartphones are some of the different types of computers.

Definition of computer | Dictionary.com​

Computer definition, a programmable electronic device designed to accept data, perform prescribed mathematical and logical operations at high speed, and display the results of these operations. Mainframes, desktop and laptop computers, tablets, and smartphones are some of the different types of...

www.dictionary.com


B.) From Techtarget.com

From their list of computer types.

Smartphone - a cellular telephone designed with an integrated computer
Tablet Computer (tablet PC) - a wireless personal computer with a touch screen

C.) What is computer? - Definition from WhatIs.com​

The modern computer began as a machine the size of a room that used vacuum tubes, punched cards and magnetic drums to generate an output, and has since evolved into a collection of devices ranging from the tablet PC to the smartphone to the quantum computer.
www.techtarget.com


D.) From gcfglobal.org

Tablet computers—or tablets—are handheld computers that are even more portable than laptops. Instead of a keyboard and mouse, tablets use a touch-sensitive screen for typing and navigation. The iPad is an example of a tablet computer.

Computer Basics: What is a Computer?​

After reading this Computer Basics lesson, you will be able to answer the question, what is a computer?
edu.gcfglobal.org

Nice, try. But I'm afraid it's a futile effort. This crowd isn't interested in FACTS. Ironic, since until the 1950s "computer" was a job title.

 

[Mark Stone]

I had never heard of System 76 until this thread. It sounds interesting, I believe I’ll take a look. Lol I guess since I have never heard of them, I’m no longer allowed to post at MacRumor Forums?

 

[Ponylover52]

Pulled the plug today, have officially moved to an M1 iPad Air 256gb from a MacBook Air M1. You may be wondering why but frankly it comes down to the fact that the ultra portable formfactor really appeals to me, while still being equally as performant in my day to day tasks as the MBA. I also am enthralled by the upcoming iPadOS 16 and being able to connect and have the canvas of a large desktop monitor to do my tasks if I want a little more breathing space for a larger project etc. My use case is really living within Safari and then iWork and Office 365 apps and some video conferencing sprinkled in occasionally. For the odd ball software I still have a PC, sadly I am required to use MS Project for a course next Spring, but the rest of my work should be via VMWare cloud instances that are through the web.

 

[Mark Stone]

Pulled the plug today, have officially moved to an M1 iPad Air 256gb from a MacBook Air M1. You may be wondering why but frankly it comes down to the fact that the ultra portable formfactor really appeals to me, while still being equally as performant in my day to day tasks as the MBA. I also am enthralled by the upcoming iPadOS 16 and being able to connect and have the canvas of a large desktop monitor to do my tasks if I want a little more breathing space for a larger project etc. My use case is really living within Safari and then iWork and Office 365 apps and some video conferencing sprinkled in occasionally. For the odd ball software I still have a PC, sadly I am required to use MS Project for a course next Spring, but the rest of my work should be via VMWare cloud instances that are through the web.

Nice! Hope you end up as happy with yours as I am with mine. These M1 iPad Airs are little monsters.

 

[TightLines]

Nice, try. But I'm afraid it's a futile effort. This crowd isn't interested in FACTS. Ironic, since until the 1950s "computer" was a job title.

I think we‘re getting into the weeds of semantics here… not so much a denial of facts. Under such broad definitions, an old belt clip pager device from back in the day was a computer too… there are many sub-sets of “computers” that represent “types of” and in my opinion an iPad would and does fall into the subset of ”hand held” - computer.

 

[Digitalguy]

You are slowly coming around when previously you used the word “never.”

I said never to the possibility that the vast majority of desktop developers would do it, and I still think this is the case

 

[Ludatyk]

I said never to the possibility that the vast majority of desktop developers would do it, and I still think this is the case

However you would like to phrase it... be my guest. But I'm optimistic that the future will bring desktop class apps to the iPad. And its perfectly okay you cannot see it. Perhaps, it's 5 years down the line... maybe a decade until you come around.

It was a time where we couldn't build an app through the iPad and that recently became a reality, obviously Playground is not XCode... but it’s a start in the right direction. And I personally cannot envision the iPad as you might think in a stagnated state.

 

[Ponylover52]

However you would like to phrase it... be my guest. But I'm optimistic that the future will bring desktop class apps to the iPad. And its perfectly okay you cannot see it. Perhaps, it's 5 years down the line... maybe a decade until you come around.

It was a time where we couldn't build an app through the iPad and that recently became a reality, obviously Playground is not XCode... but it’s a start in the right direction. And I personally cannot envision the iPad as you might think in a stagnated state.

I see Playground being rebranded at some point, that app has become crazy powerful, anyone catch the WWDC session titled “Building apps in Swift Playground” yes I know its not xcode but come on, if the evolution of that app alone isn’t indication of the direction apple is taking the iPad, then idk what would be. I see the direction in the software with iPadOS 16, they are literally taking desktop class MacOS features that were “highly requested” and gradually bringing them over to iPad but natively designed with iPadOS in mind, they are setting a baseline hardware requirement for these newer advanced multitasking features and memory swap abilities with M1 iPads.

I think people are upset because MacOS is not just getting slapped into a tablet. I really think everyone should be excited though, to see how Apple is from the ground up essentially redefining what an iPad can do while at the same time respecting the iPad itself as a unique class of device in terms of its touch first user interface. I mean you essentially are having, on a smaller scale, a transition period now with the software taking advantage of M1 devices because Apple is really saying, we want to take the iPad to a new level of productivity and ability but we need to really align the hardware with where we are taking are Mac products, and I think that alone speaks volumes for where the iPad is going in terms of what Apple wants the baseline to be going forward to allow for what can only be more and more “desktop class” functions.

 

[Abazigal]

Nice, try. But I'm afraid it's a futile effort. This crowd isn't interested in FACTS. Ironic, since until the 1950s "computer" was a job title.

I feel that rather than "facts", or trying to argue whether the iPad can replace a computer or not, it's simply more productive to discuss what can (and cannot) be done on an iPad, and let the individual make the decision for themselves.

The iPad doesn't need to 100% replace a laptop in order to have a place in the computer world. My Macs do some thing well, my iPad does some things well, my iPhone does some things well, and I am fortunate enough to be able to afford all 4 and have the liberty of switching between then as necessary, so I always have the best tool for the job.

I know that for all its limitations, my iPad was easily the MVP when I was teaching from home. My lesson videos were created, edited and managed entirely from my iPad.

I think where the consternation lies here is because a lot of posters here hail from the traditional "keyboard and mouse and spreadsheets" profession, which the iPad admittedly does a pretty poor job of emulating. Conversely, we don't have enough representatives from fields which lend themselves well to the iPad, making it seem like the iPad simply isn't good at anything, whereas in reality, I believe plenty of people are using the iPad meaningfully for both work and leisure.

And that really was Steve Job's vision - the iPad as the everyday mainstream computer for the masses.

 

[Digitalguy]

However you would like to phrase it... be my guest. But I'm optimistic that the future will bring desktop class apps to the iPad. And its perfectly okay you cannot see it. Perhaps, it's 5 years down the line... maybe a decade until you come around.

It was a time where we couldn't build an app through the iPad and that recently became a reality, obviously Playground is not XCode... but it’s a start in the right direction. And I personally cannot envision the iPad as you might think in a stagnated state.

Just to be clear I would love for desktops apps to be ported to iPad, I just think it's unlikely because there aren't enough incentives. It's extremely difficult to get developers to move to another platform unless it's really necessary. And I am not talking about Final cut and Logic. I am talking about the thousands of software programs businesses and professionals (not just creative ones) need to work.
Many developers don't even bother to port to Mac, but thanks to Windows on Mac you can still use a Mac if you work requires it. I don't see this ever happening with iPad. And even without Windows apps, some desktop apps need full background activity, which I am skeptical Apple will allow. Typical examples is cloud sync working in the background. And again, why would companies bother when their already have their tablet app in the app store for their subscription services...
And finally there is competition by the tech giants.
Some crucial apps would not come in their full form or at all because of competitive reasons (full Office from Microsoft, full Chrome from Google, desktop Whatsapp from Meta, which is a huge deal outside the US).

 

[ericwn]

No way iPad Pro 2020 cannot do that, it is just forcing customers to buy new expensive iPads lineup again

Nobody is being forced. This is a new feature that never was offered nor promised. If you feel convinced that all of a sudden you need this to work, then yes, one of the two mid range or top range devices will be required.

 

[Boil]

Nobody is being forced. This is a new feature that never was offered nor promised. If you feel convinced that all of a sudden you need this to work, then yes, one of the two mid range or top range devices will be required.

There are three iPads that meet criteria (having an M1 SoC) to run Stage Manager and utilize Virtual Memory (iPad Air requires 256GB of storage for Virtual Memory)...?

• M1 iPad Air (Gen 5)
• M1 11" iPad Pro (Gen 3)
• M1 12.9" iPad Pro (Gen 5)

 

[Dealmans]

Exactly! Nail on the head! No one wants a tablet Mac, at least not me. iPadOS is its own unique, capable, and ever maturing OS(just like all OS's). Like I said above, I love iPadOS for what it is and am excited for what it can and will become.

You must be easily pleased if you are happy with the minor things apple drip feeds you every year, you must like being on the end of a piece of string climbing up one arm lengths each year haha

 

[grmlin]

You must be easily pleased if you are happy with the minor things apple drip feeds you every year, you must like being on the end of a piece of string climbing up one arm lengths each year haha

There are people who prefer to use a system made for touch instead of one, that tries to be a Jack of all trades but is only mediocre doing so...

I would also like a "macOS mode" in my iPad Pro, but would I give up the iPad OS for it? HELL NO.