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Abazigal

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But once you have the combo touch, why would anyone want to constantly remove it? Cases IMO are one and done, once you put it on (at least me), the only time I ever remove a case is if it gets wrecked and I have to replace it. Like with any case, as soon as you start removing and putting it back on, it just stretches the material and it will never fit the same again. A very hard to remove case is a good sign of it's high craftsmanship.

I don't think the 11 Pro with the combo touch is heavier than the 12.9 ipad. The combo touch case weighs about 600grams.
I am one such person.

I am currently using this with my 2018 iPad Pro.


It's cheap and more importantly, attaches to my iPad via magnets, which means it's also very easy to remove. It may sound weird, but I really do like handling my iPad naked because I just like using it at its thinnest and lightest (as Jony Ive designed and intended). Protection is less of a concern for me because I have yet to drop my iPad, and I don't have kids or pets around the house.

Having used both the Magic Keyboard and Logitech folio, I think I can better appreciate the design decisions that went into the Magic Keyboard. Its design lets it take up less space on a desk, although the weighted base pretty much negates the thin form factor. The extra charging port lets me charge an iPad while connecting it to a portable monitor via usb-c, which has greater utility since 16.2. I feel it's really classic Apple design. Extremely opinionated, and forces you to really evaluate just what it is that you value in a keyboard, and just how much you are willing to compromise.
 

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I am one such person.

I am currently using this with my 2018 iPad Pro.


It's cheap and more importantly, attaches to my iPad via magnets, which means it's also very easy to remove. It may sound weird, but I really do like handling my iPad naked because I just like using it at its thinnest and lightest (as Jony Ive designed and intended). Protection is less of a concern for me because I have yet to drop my iPad, and I don't have kids or pets around the house.

Having used both the Magic Keyboard and Logitech folio, I think I can better appreciate the design decisions that went into the Magic Keyboard. Its design lets it take up less space on a desk, although the weighted base pretty much negates the thin form factor. The extra charging port lets me charge an iPad while connecting it to a portable monitor via usb-c, which has greater utility since 16.2. I feel it's really classic Apple design. Extremely opinionated, and forces you to really evaluate just what it is that you value in a keyboard, and just how much you are willing to compromise.

Sorry I just don't see the point in constantly removing and putting on cases. It's not like changing our underwear or our shoes.
 

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It is. The naked 11 pro is 471gr (but generally a bit less as mine is LTE and has a paperlike screen protector). With the combo touch it's 717gr without the keyboard and 1035gr with the keyboard.
The naked 12.9 is 630-640gr for the 2018-2020 model and 685gr for the M1 model... (I have all of them and just weighted them) so still lighter.

Doesn’t feel like it in hand though. But it’s good weight to have I would say. I’m starting to get used to the weight with the combo touch without the keyboard.

12.9ipp would still feel heavier just because it’s a larger device over the 11.
 
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Doesn’t feel like it in hand though. But it’s good weight to have I would say. I’m starting to get used to the weight with the combo touch without the keyboard.

12.9ipp would still feel heavier just because it’s a larger device over the 11.
Oh man the 12.9 does feel lighter in the hand... I just put on the Combo on the 11" iPad to feel the difference and my 2018 12.9 feels noticeably lighter... Even the M1 feels lighter, but the difference is pretty small there, but the naked 2018 12.9" is much more comfortable to hold and I could definitely hold it for quite a bit longer.
 

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Sorry I just don't see the point in constantly removing and putting on cases. It's not like changing our underwear or our shoes.
For me the MK is not really a case (other than very rarely). It's a magnetic stand where my 11" lives and where I can type anytime I need. I no longer use the 11" as my on the go device now that I bought a cellular Thinkpad. When I take it outside is mainly to use it as a portable monitor for my PC or as a book reader and for that I only use the magnetic folio.
The combo touch is a case and does need effort to be removed. So yes in that case there is no point in removing it, especially if your objective is constant total protection, even at the expense of weight and comfort. The MK needs zero effort (even less than the smart keyboard or the smart folio since you can grab the iPad from the bottom) and does not need to be used as a case (but it can act as one with only partial protection if needed, which is fine if you have a laptop pocket on you backpack and don't use it in places where you would drop it easily, just like you wouldn't drop your laptop) so I wouldn't even talk of "removing" the MK from the iPad, but rather detach the iPad from it, just like I would pick it up from a stand
 

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Sorry I just don't see the point in constantly removing and putting on cases. It's not like changing our underwear or our shoes.
did you even look at that case? It attaches with magnets like the apple folio and MGK, these cases make it very easy when you want to hold the iPad as it was made rather than in cheap plastic.
 

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That's an easy one. To protect that beautiful, expensive piece of hardware, duh! My Combo Touch has fully protected my iPad Pro from 3 drops in the year and a half I've had it. Not a scratch or dent to be found, and the icing on the cake, is no damage to my Combo Touch either. That's what I call an actual advantage. I doubt the MKB can replicate that.

For me, you can protect it so much that you don't get to truly experience it in the first place.

I've been caseless on my phones for 5+ years, and been using the Magic Keyboard or Smart Folio case on my iPads since I've had iPads (4ish years) and never damaged anything.
 

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For me, you can protect it so much that you don't get to truly experience it in the first place.

I've been caseless on my phones for 5+ years, and been using the Magic Keyboard or Smart Folio case on my iPads since I've had iPads (4ish years) and never damaged anything.
For me the piece of mind that comes from protecting my expensive iPad Pro is what allows me to fully enjoy using it. The LCT case in no way limits or impedes the function of the iPad or my use of it. Win, win!

Like I said, I completely run two real estate businesses with it. It is on the go out of the house a lot, and the chances of dropping it or other damages happening are high enough that protecting it is necessary for me.

If I was you, I'd knock on some wood.
 
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For me the MK is not really a case (other than very rarely). It's a magnetic stand where my 11" lives and where I can type anytime I need. I no longer use the 11" as my on the go device now that I bought a cellular Thinkpad. When I take it outside is mainly to use it as a portable monitor for my PC or as a book reader and for that I only use the magnetic folio.
The combo touch is a case and does need effort to be removed. So yes in that case there is no point in removing it, especially if your objective is constant total protection, even at the expense of weight and comfort. The MK needs zero effort (even less than the smart keyboard or the smart folio since you can grab the iPad from the bottom) and does not need to be used as a case (but it can act as one with only partial protection if needed, which is fine if you have a laptop pocket on you backpack and don't use it in places where you would drop it easily, just like you wouldn't drop your laptop) so I wouldn't even talk of "removing" the MK from the iPad, but rather detach the iPad from it, just like I would pick it up from a stand

I think the MK is best when living on a desk and never moved around. But what it's lacking is an extension rod, it should ext a couple of feet so that it can have the ipad at head level. That's why I see no point in removing the combo touch case, it's really not meant to be constantly removed. It's a one and done thing. I would rather just have multiple ipads (one with a case, one without or one ipad for every case) rather than constantly removing and putting on cases.
 
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did you even look at that case? It attaches with magnets like the apple folio and MGK, these cases make it very easy when you want to hold the iPad as it was made rather than in cheap plastic.

The combo touch? Yes I have it on my ipad 11 right now. It feels great but just wish it had a bit more grip. I don't want to take my case off but I bet you could use the ipad without a case on it and just magnetically attach the combo touch keyboard since it's just connecting to the smart connector. Eyeing it, I don't see how this wouldn't be possible.
 

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For me, you can protect it so much that you don't get to truly experience it in the first place.

I've been caseless on my phones for 5+ years, and been using the Magic Keyboard or Smart Folio case on my iPads since I've had iPads (4ish years) and never damaged anything.
Same, iPads are a hand held device for me so want as thin as possible, I have had every iPad since the first and have never damaged one.
 
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For me the piece of mind that comes from protecting my expensive iPad Pro is what allows me to fully enjoy using it. The LCT case in no way limits or impedes the function of the iPad or my use of it. Win, win!

Like I said, I completely run two real estate businesses with it. It is on the go out of the house a lot, and the chances of dropping it or other damages happening are high enough that protecting it is necessary for me.

If I was you, I'd knock on some wood.

For me the best benefit of cases is it gives you grip. ipads are way too slippery when naked. It's pretty much impossible to hand hold one as it's like trying to grip slim. It's almost like ipads have olive oil saturated into the metal housing.
 
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The combo touch? Yes I have it on my ipad 11 right now. It feels great but just wish it had a bit more grip. I don't want to take my case off but I bet you could use the ipad without a case on it and just magnetically attach the combo touch keyboard since it's just connecting to the smart connector. Eyeing it, I don't see how this wouldn't be possible.
no, the Jtech one above you were replying about
 

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Oh man the 12.9 does feel lighter in the hand... I just put on the Combo on the 11" iPad to feel the difference and my 2018 12.9 feels noticeably lighter... Even the M1 feels lighter, but the difference is pretty small there, but the naked 2018 12.9" is much more comfortable to hold and I could definitely hold it for quite a bit longer.

When I had Surface Pros, I never put a case on any of them because I didn't want to increase the weight and add bulk. The 2.3lbs with the type cover was the perfect weight for a device of that size.

With the ipad pro 11, it's so much thinner and less durable. Don't want to accidentally bend my ipad over time and even with the combo touch on and the keyboard, it still feels noticably lighter than any of the Surface Pros I had with the type cover mainly because the ipad pro with combo touch is quite a bit smaller in physical size. So even though the ipad pro 11 with combo touch and keyboard attached to it is the same weight as the Surface Pro with type cover, I find the form factor and weight of the ipad more compact and easier tote around.
 
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If I was you, I'd knock on some wood.

People get too precious about this stuff tbh. These devices are so thin and light and beautifully designed, it feels like such a shame to slap a big bulky case on it straight away and never actually experience the thin light beautiful design. Almost like I should have just bought something less cutting edge and premium. Not to mention that you can add enough weight and bulk to a tablet that you may as well be using a laptop instead at that point.
 

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I think the MK is best when living on a desk and never moved around. But what it's lacking is an extension rod, it should ext a couple of feet so that it can have the ipad at head level. That's why I see no point in removing the combo touch case, it's really not meant to be constantly removed. It's a one and done thing. I would rather just have multiple ipads (one with a case, one without or one ipad for every case) rather than constantly removing and putting on cases.

Taking the iPad off the Magic Keyboard takes less than a second because it's just magnetic. My iPad Pro goes between the Magic Keyboard and the Smart Folio depending on how how I'm using it. It's easy because both cases just stick on magnetically.
 

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People get too precious about this stuff tbh. These devices are so thin and light and beautifully designed, it feels like such a shame to slap a big bulky case on it straight away and never actually experience the thin light beautiful design. Almost like I should have just bought something less cutting edge and premium. Not to mention that you can add enough weight and bulk to a tablet that you may as well be using a laptop instead at that point.
I am not emotionally attached to my iPad. I actually like the iPad and iPad OS for how compatible and practical iPad OS and the iPad are to my work of taking care of two real estate businesses. The iPad is a unique and flexible tool that exactly fits my business and personal needs. I have really come to like the way that iPad OS runs the user experience. So many things that I do for real estate are done more quickly and naturally on the iPad Pro which cuts down my work flow, and is just more fun with the iPad. I have my office and family manager on a little window that I carry around. Between my iPhone and iPad Pro, I got it covered. I pretty much use my Mac Mini for music and Video/YouTube/Movies, and storage management.

iPad is just great business tool, not emotional crutch. My iPhone is more personal. It has my music, and photos, and sits in my back righthand pocket every day.

Unless they do something extraordinary with the Mac Laptop line, I'll probably never have another one. I am very happy with the iPad Pro and the way my mini complements it.
 
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People get too precious about this stuff tbh. These devices are so thin and light and beautifully designed, it feels like such a shame to slap a big bulky case on it straight away and never actually experience the thin light beautiful design. Almost like I should have just bought something less cutting edge and premium. Not to mention that you can add enough weight and bulk to a tablet that you may as well be using a laptop instead at that point.

Thinner isn't always better. ipads are far more comfortable to use when it has a case on it. It;s just not worth the risk of accidentally bending your ipad or cracking the screen by not putting at least a basic case on it. The thinner it is, the more vulnerable it is to damage.
 
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Thinner isn't always better. ipads are far more comfortable to use when it has a case on it. It;s just not worth the risk of accidentally bending your ipad or cracking the screen by not putting at least a basic case on it. The thinner it is, the more vulnerable it is to damage.

As I said, with some of these cases you can add enough weight and bulk to a tablet that it's only really a tablet in name only. I prefer cases like the Smart Folio where you've got some grip and you can stand it up, but it doesn't weigh it into another class of device. I've never bent or even worried about bending an iPad.

And with the Magic Keyboard, I don't need every inch of the (metal!) iPad protected, just like I don't need every inch of my laptop protected. As long as the screen is protected I'm fine.
 

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As I said, with some of these cases you can add enough weight and bulk to a tablet that it's only really a tablet in name only. I prefer cases like the Smart Folio where you've got some grip and you can stand it up, but it doesn't weigh it into another class of device. I've never bent or even worried about bending an iPad.

And with the Magic Keyboard, I don't need every inch of the (metal!) iPad protected, just like I don't need every inch of my laptop protected. As long as the screen is protected I'm fine.

Smart Folio is cool by concept but failed in execution. Rubber keys! Are you serious Apple? Lol. No backlit keys, I would never buy a keyboard with no back lit keys. This is 2023, not 1990, get with the times Apple.

As for light weight, this is what I find and this is why I bought another mini 6 yesterday. As light as a naked iPad Pro 11 is, it’s still no match to a mini 6 even with a thin TPU case on. Mini 6 is in a whole other league for portability and lightweight. You can hand hold it for hours and get zero arm strain, can’t do that with iPad Pro 11 even using it naked.

iPad Pro 11 is still a device that you’ll have and use on your lap or desk all the time because of its size. So because of that, the extra weight of the combo touch becomes a non factor. Even with no case, the physical size of pro 11 is just too big to be used as a handheld device. This is where the mini shines as that is what I consider to be a true handheld device.
 
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People get too precious about this stuff tbh. These devices are so thin and light and beautifully designed, it feels like such a shame to slap a big bulky case on it straight away and never actually experience the thin light beautiful design. Almost like I should have just bought something less cutting edge and premium. Not to mention that you can add enough weight and bulk to a tablet that you may as well be using a laptop instead at that point.

Oh come on, most people are only interested in what is on the screen of the device. Sure it’s a nice design but my initial thoughts are the edges are sharp and it looks fragile. It’s not uncommon for me to occasionally drop an iPad or iPhone so the design can go and swivel, I’d rather use them without being damaged considering how much they cost. Sitting and admiring the design of these mass consumer products is a pastime I can happily miss lol.
 
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