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What are the major shortcomings that I notice? The first thing is the files app. When I find a deed or document on FamilySearch that I want to download and save, it is a chore. Once it is downloaded, I have to move it into the appropriate OneDrive folder which is even more work. My compromise is to keep each document that I want to save open in its own tab, then when I get the chance, use continuity to open it on my Mac download and place in the correct location. What if the document is several pages? On the Mac it is as easy as selecting several JPG’s and converting to PDF. It would be nowhere near that easy on the iPad.
Not sure if you aware of this... but OneDrive can plugin to the Files app, that way when you download a deed or document then move files much easier. Or in some cases, you don't necessarily have to download it... use the Share Sheets and move it to the specific OneDrive folder location

Another suggestion... if you have a certain folder that you use regularly, add it to your Favorites in the Files app. And if you want to select several JPGs and convert to PDF, I suggest using a different app (maybe File Browser or Good Reader).

Another shortcoming is in Word itself. While it is great on the iPad, I am more efficient on my Mac. Oneonta thing that bugs me is citations. On the desktop version it under the references tab. On iPad it is under the insert tab. I often find myself confusing the two when switching between machines. Formatting and setting styles are also easier on the desktop version.
Is this really a shortcoming? Or more a preference kind of thing.

Why can I not just seamless go between a project on both the iPad and Mac? This just makes it easier for me to do it on my Mac, where I also do not have to make any compromises. I do want to add that I have made several Keynote presentations during this time. The same issue persists with it. Inserting media is just easier and more natural on the Mac. If I have several elements on the slide, I find working with layers much easier on the Mac as well. At least Keynote will sync between machines, so I am able to do a little bit of work on both.
Umm never really tried using Keynote... but if I'm not mistaken, Keynote is part of Continuity/Handoff? Not sure why you cannot go between projects seamlessly on both the iPad and Mac.
 
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In which paragraph do I say so?

It’s funny you deducted that from a post that begins with such praise for my M2 machine.
You mentioned that you would ideally like to just swap the logic board for an M4, so it seemed to me that while you enjoy the M2, you'd rather upgrade it already given the option.
I was just curious if you found it lacking in some area, as I have the same machine and can't currently imagine a single use case I would have for an upgraded SoC.

I have watched the “iPad as a MacBook” replacement debate for several years and have always seen the debate come down to use case. Over that same course of time, I have exclusively used the iPad Pro after previously completely shunning it as a gimmick. At this point (mid-2024) I want to give my insight on my use case and why I am looking at finally moving on from the iPad, and going a completely different route to try to get as close to an all-in-one solution that is best for me…I hope.

My first introduction to the world of Apple came in 2008 with the iPhone 3G. This piqued my interest and the next year I built a hackintosh running Snow Leopard. This was followed by a 2012 Mac Pro, 2018 Mini, and finally the M1 mini I have today.

During this time, I continually kept a laptop as well. However, most of the time it sat collecting dust. I always had the 2-1 style with a stylus. While I do not remember the exact models, I went from an HP to a Sony Vaio, to two different models of the HP Spectre X360.

With each successive upgrade my laptop usage increased. What was once used on on trips (and even then, sparingly) began to see gradual day-to-day usage as a growing family meant less time spent on my home office and more time spent on the couch, chair, or outdoor table.

I never saw a real use for an iPad, I fact I saw it as a gimmick. What use did it provide? I could do a lot of the things it did on my phone, and everything else could be done on a laptop, which by that time I was using one with a 15” screen. However, by 2018 I had more disposable income and decided to buy an iPad. My justification was that it could be a family device. YouTube, Games, web conferencing, etc.

However, once I paired it with a keyboard I began to use it more. In fact, by 2023 (having upgraded to the 12.9” M1) I was using it more than my laptop. It was (and still is as of this moment) a device that I use daily. It did take a few different keyboards to find out that worked for me. I went through two different versions of the Brydge keyboard/touchpad combos, and while they were great the hinge failed on both models. I finally settled on an Amazon DOQO detachable case and keyboard/trackpad which is what I still use to this day. In late-2023, I finally took the plunge, sold my laptop, and have used my iPad for day-to-day usage since that time.

So, what is my day-to-day usage? My free time is spent in historical research and writing, including occasional blog posts and creation of content for YouTube. Searching sites such as Ancestry and Family search is a breeze with the iPad. Usually, I detach it from the keyboard. I can screenshot and markup with the pencil, and reference things later. When it comes to writing, I usually use Split View with Word on the left side of the screen and Files (which opens PDF, etc.) on the right side. I have used Stage manager in the past, but I find it tricky when writing in Word (which takes up half the screen) because each PDF or photo opens on top of the Files app and overlays Word itself. These two things are most of my day-to-day usage of the iPad. Occasionally, I will watch YouTube, and it is not uncommon that I will have YouTube TV pulled up in PIP, but it usually gets in the way of writing/referencing.

What are the major shortcomings that I notice? The first thing is the files app. When I find a deed or document on FamilySearch that I want to download and save, it is a chore. Once it is downloaded, I have to move it into the appropriate OneDrive folder which is even more work. My compromise is to keep each document that I want to save open in its own tab, then when I get the chance, use continuity to open it on my Mac download and place in the correct location. What if the document is several pages? On the Mac it is as easy as selecting several JPG’s and converting to PDF. It would be nowhere near that easy on the iPad.

Another shortcoming is in Word itself. While it is great on the iPad, I am more efficient on my Mac. Oneonta thing that bugs me is citations. On the desktop version it under the references tab. On iPad it is under the insert tab. I often find myself confusing the two when switching between machines. Formatting and setting styles are also easier on the desktop version.

I can do blog posts on the iPad, but when it comes to inserting the photos to the post, I always go to my Mac, again, because of the issues with the Files app. It is just not easy to navigate to a photo to upload it to the media library as it is on a Mac. Also, any YouTube editing on the iPad is a no go. Why can I not just seamless go between a project on both the iPad and Mac? This just makes it easier for me to do it on my Mac, where I also do not have to make any compromises. I do want to add that I have made several Keynote presentations during this time. The same issue persists with it. Inserting media is just easier and more natural on the Mac. If I have several elements on the slide, I find working with layers much easier on the Mac as well. At least Keynote will sync between machines, so I am able to do a little bit of work on both.

In the last 6 months before I sold my laptop, I used it as an RDP server. This allowed me to use both the iPad and the Mac to do any necessary Windows based work. This usually consists of GIS in QGIS or ArcGIS Pro. It works seamlessly on the the Mac and is surprisingly good on the iPad as well. I would use it a lot more if the iPad had a larger screen. However, a lot of the elements and panels are just too small on the 12.9 form factor.

I was really hoping for more iOS 18 improvements. As much as I would like MacOS on the iPad, I am a realist and know that will never happen. However, I was hoping for Files app improvements, as well as improvements to Stage Manager. Unfortunately, there were no productive improvements to iPadOS.

After the M4 iPad announcement, I was ready to pull the trigger on the new 13” Pro and Keyboard…if Apple improved the experience on iPadOS 18. When they did not, I figured it was money saved and another year using the iPad. However, in the month since the announcement I have started thinking, am I willing to wait year after year for something that may never happen? What compromises am I making on the iPad? So, I began thinking, would a MacBook be an improvement? Would it make me more productive? Could I stop the time I go back and forth between my iPad and Mac Mini? Furthermore, would it be worth the cost?

While I would wait until new models come out (November?) I am pondering making the switch. I feel like the 13” Air may have some of the same sizing issues over RDP that the iPad currently has, so I have been looking into a 15” Air or a 16” Pro. I will need to see them in person before I get closer to a decision. I also look at what I may be missing from the iPad experience, but I think, with Sequoia’s iPhone mirroring that I can still get all the other apps I use on my iPad (Messenger, Reddit, Facebook, etc.) on my Mac. So, what would I be missing? Pencil support. While it is possible to hi-light, annotate, and grow overlays with the trackpad or mouse, it is not as easy or natural. However, I may have a compromise for that.

Since the Mac Mini in my home office is a M1, I know that I will need to make an upgrade in a few years down the road. However, the purchase of a MacBook could allow me to eliminate it as well. I currently have my monitor (40” Dell U4025QW) hooked up via thunderbolt, a mic, an All-In-One printer, and a 2.5G network adapter plugged into my mini. How could I replicate this with a MacBook in clamshell mode that would be in an out of my office? That is something I need to think about before making my final decision. This is also where the I think the solution to my Apple Pencil issue may be solved with the addition of a Wacom tablet. Of course, it is a compromise and would only be useful when using the MacBook as a desktop, but it is something I will be investigating.

I may be able to eliminate both the iPad and M1 Mini and replace them with a MacBook. However, what is the compromises? I will have to investigate that more over the coming months. Additionally, while the iPad has its shortcomings, I am still using it daily. In fact, I have composed this on it. However, even with this setup I am having to make compromises, as previously explained. I think in the end what it is going to come down to is if the MacBook setup makes me more productive, and compromise LESS. Thankfully, I will have several more months of research and thought before I make that decision.

I think running an iPad-only setup requires stepping out of your comfort zone, especially as a long-time Win/macOS user, and learning new ways & workflows to get things done.
The main pain point of this endeavor is usually drawing direct comparisons with desktop OSes and then bending the iPad backwards trying to imitate the desktop workflows.
And that's just misguided, the iPad is in a class of its own - the pinnacle of the mobile, touch-first computing paradigm.

Some of your struggles are due to iPadOS constraints, most of them however sound like you're just not used to working with the iPad full time and not willing to dedicate the time to properly learn it.
If you're lacking screen space, why not hook up an external monitor? Why not actually try mastering the Files app on the iPad, instead of labelling every easily doable task a 'chore'? Why not directing feedback at Microsoft regarding their iPad office apps, or just getting used to them without comparing button locations with the desktop version, or just using Apple Keynote altogether? Or learn how to disable YouTube's PiP feature so it doesn't interfere?

It sounds like the traditional desktop OS workflow just suits you better overall, and that's fine. It's what you're used to and are the most productive at. But maybe it doesn't necessarily come down to platform limitations, rather just differences at best.
 
Not sure what your problem is with saving a photo or document on the iPad is but, it is just as simple to do on the iPad as it is the Mac. I can easily right click and save to Photos, or right click and save to any folder I want. It is very easy and fast. And inserting a picture is just as simple.

As to Word being different, blame Microsoft for that as it is not Apple’s doing.

If you want more Files type control, download and use FileBroswer Pro.

Just tried right clicking the photo of the MacBook from the story on the first page. The menu I get is: Share, Save to Photos, Copy, Copy Subject, and look up. I don’t see any way to save it to a specific folder.

Also, with the file download, I went to Newspapers.com and made a clipping. I chose both Save as PDF and the Save as JPG option. Both open in a new window and do not save to a download folder, much less letting me choose the folder of my liking.

However, I should add that I am on Firefox. I’ll have to try it on Safari and see how it works natively.

You are absolutely corrrect on the Photo and Document upload. I should have clarified that I mean drag and dropping, as well as dragging and dropping multiple file. Just checked and I can absolutely do both in Split View. Didn’t remember being able to do that before.

As for the Word and download of FileBrowser Pro, those are great examples of having to compromise on the iPad versus the Mac, and something I will have to weigh in my decision on wether to stay with the iPad or switch to the MacBook.
 
Not sure if you aware of this... but OneDrive can plugin to the Files app, that way when you download a deed or document then move files much easier. Or in some cases, you don't necessarily have to download it... use the Share Sheets and move it to the specific OneDrive folder location

Another suggestion... if you have a certain folder that you use regularly, add it to your Favorites in the Files app. And if you want to select several JPGs and convert to PDF, I suggest using a different app (maybe File Browser or Good Reader).


Is this really a shortcoming? Or more a preference kind of thing.


Umm never really tried using Keynote... but if I'm not mistaken, Keynote is part of Continuity/Handoff? Not sure why you cannot go between projects seamlessly on both the iPad and Mac.

I do use the plugin. I just checked and the behavior I described is unique to Firefox. Instead of opening in a new window Safari will save it to the download folder. Just wish it would let me select a specific folder every time.

I think it’s more or less a Microsoft issue on the citation location.

I mean iMovie, not Keynote. Keynote work perfectly, iMovie is something I can’t do on the iPad and have it automatically go to the Mac.


I think running an iPad-only setup requires stepping out of your comfort zone, especially as a long-time Win/macOS user, and learning new ways & workflows to get things done.
The main pain point of this endeavor is usually drawing direct comparisons with desktop OSes and then bending the iPad backwards trying to imitate the desktop workflows.
And that's just misguided, the iPad is in a class of its own - the pinnacle of the mobile, touch-first computing paradigm.

Some of your struggles are due to iPadOS constraints, most of them however sound like you're just not used to working with the iPad full time and not willing to dedicate the time to properly learn it.
If you're lacking screen space, why not hook up an external monitor? Why not actually try mastering the Files app on the iPad, instead of labelling every easily doable task a 'chore'? Why not directing feedback at Microsoft regarding their iPad office apps, or just getting used to them without comparing button locations with the desktop version, or just using Apple Keynote altogether? Or learn how to disable YouTube's PiP feature so it doesn't interfere?

It sounds like the traditional desktop OS workflow just suits you better overall, and that's fine. It's what you're used to and are the most productive at. But maybe it doesn't necessarily come down to platform limitations, rather just differences at best.

What I was describing was using my iPad as a laptop replacement. Hooking it up to an external monitor whill I am typing on my couch isn’t an option. I have used it at my desk with Stage Manager and loved it though.

I wain’t being critical of PIP mode at all. I think it’s great, but on a smaller screen it gets in the way of the constant. I fell like this would be true of any iPad or MacBook due to screen size.
 
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Some of your struggles are due to iPadOS constraints, most of them however sound like you're just not used to working with the iPad full time and not willing to dedicate the time to properly learn it.
Which one of those struggles are due to iPadOS constraints?

I think it's more to do to the latter... being uninformed of key elements that can improve their iPad workflow. I use Android, MBP and Windows... there are cases where I'd stumble upon something that I didn't know exist.

I do use the plugin. I just checked and the behavior I described is unique to Firefox. Instead of opening in a new window Safari will save it to the download folder. Just wish it would let me select a specific folder every time.
Most of my downloads come from using Safari... I occasionally use Edge, but I rarely download anything from it.

But even with a different browser, there is always the option to use the Share Sheet... to save to a specific folder.

I mean iMovie, not Keynote. Keynote work perfectly, iMovie is something I can’t do on the iPad and have it automatically go to the Mac.
Yeah, I don't use iMovie... I use LumaFusion on the iPad and FCP on the Mac.
 
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Just tried right clicking the photo of the MacBook from the story on the first page. The menu I get is: Share, Save to Photos, Copy, Copy Subject, and look up. I don’t see any way to save it to a specific folder.

Also, with the file download, I went to Newspapers.com and made a clipping. I chose both Save as PDF and the Save as JPG option. Both open in a new window and do not save to a download folder, much less letting me choose the folder of my liking.

However, I should add that I am on Firefox. I’ll have to try it on Safari and see how it works natively.

You are absolutely corrrect on the Photo and Document upload. I should have clarified that I mean drag and dropping, as well as dragging and dropping multiple file. Just checked and I can absolutely do both in Split View. Didn’t remember being able to do that before.

As for the Word and download of FileBrowser Pro, those are great examples of having to compromise on the iPad versus the Mac, and something I will have to weigh in my decision on wether to stay with the iPad or switch to the MacBook.
‘Save to Files’ will not always appear, but here is a shortcut that will appear in your Share Sheet and always give you that option.
 
Which one of those struggles are due to iPadOS constraints?
You're right, giving it another look, none of the issues raised in that particular actually seem to be an inherent system limitation.
It's more about learning to do things another way, or with a different app - in case the built-in ones don't provide all the functionality you need in your workflow.
 
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I’m fascinated by the posts in this thread. I’ve gained some great insights from things people post here. One thing is clear-irrespective of what the user is trying to accomplish on their iPad, the way they get there is usually a different path than on a Mac.

I use my iPad Pro extensively, for work related tasks and content consumption. And I wonder if a better approach would be to regard an iPad as a laptop SUBSTITUTE, rather than a true replacement. After all, that has never been Apple’s intent.
 
Another suggestion... if you have a certain folder that you use regularly, add it to your Favorites in the Files app. And if you want to select several JPGs and convert to PDF, I suggest using a different app (maybe File Browser or Good Reader).
While in Files.app, select the .jpg images (or .png and probably others), go to the "More..." button on the lower right corner, tap it, select the "Create PDF" menu item in the popup menu, and a pdf will be created consisting of the selected images. You will likely want to change the filename. Seems the filename is based on the first selected item.

For file select, you can do it a little faster for lots of images in a sequential list by using two finger drags over the files. It automatically enters selection view, or you can tap Select first.
 
I’m fascinated by the posts in this thread. I’ve gained some great insights from things people post here. One thing is clear-irrespective of what the user is trying to accomplish on their iPad, the way they get there is usually a different path than on a Mac.

I use my iPad Pro extensively, for work related tasks and content consumption. And I wonder if a better approach would be to regard an iPad as a laptop SUBSTITUTE, rather than a true replacement. After all, that has never been Apple’s intent.
"Substitute" is the applicable term rather than "replacement". Thank you for the clarity.
 
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I hate to jump into this thread 269 pages long, but just wondering…for some people like me, the question is more that the iPad has become a “computer” replacement rather than a “laptop” replacement. I think on paper the specs of an iPad will never supersede a MacBook as a laptop. But for some like me who used to have a MacBook as their primary “computer”, the iPad has become a superior solution when paired with an external monitor, keyboard and mouse. I have sold my MacBook Pro and rely on the iPad as my primary computer. I still remote into my wife’s Mac mini using Jump Desktop for running a finance app (Banktivity) as well as Turbo Tax, but not much else. For work, I run Microsoft Office 365, Teams, Outlook and Edge on my iPad which work reasonably well. Yes there are definitely compromises but I am clear-eyed about the trade-offs. I have owned many iPads in the past, but feel that with iOS 17 and an M2 iPad Pro the combined solution finally takes advantage of the monitor, keyboard and mouse to make it viable for me long term. The Mac mini absolutely is a crutch to ease the transition, but I am loving it so far and will see how far I can go.
 
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I’m fascinated by the posts in this thread. I’ve gained some great insights from things people post here. One thing is clear-irrespective of what the user is trying to accomplish on their iPad, the way they get there is usually a different path than on a Mac.

I use my iPad Pro extensively, for work related tasks and content consumption. And I wonder if a better approach would be to regard an iPad as a laptop SUBSTITUTE, rather than a true replacement. After all, that has never been Apple’s intent.
Treat the iPad as a convenient tool that you use for the right tasks in the moment, and you shouldn’t be disappointed. Once you start labeling the iPad and placing it into some predefined box someone else labeled, you set yourself up for daily disappoint that is not actually due to the iPad itself.
 
I used an iPad Primarily for years. The one thing I noticed is as soon as I stopped and bought a MacBook I was so much more productive. It opened more doors for me!
 
with the improved stage manager, I dont understand the complaint with lack of multi tasking. yes its not as effective as a macOS or windows. but it is far better than android which basically freezes the app and reloads every time I move to a different one!!!
its like iOS/iPadOS is going in the direction of old versions of android multitasking while android is moving towards past one app at a time iOS principle!
 
The iPad platform is now over 12 years old. By now we know what it is capable of / what it is not capable of. What things work better (and sometimes much better) on the Mac platform, and those things that work better on the iPad.

The new M4 and especially the new Magic Keyboard take it a step closer. I don’t see it as a replacement - but it has its strengths which I really appreciate. Depending on the use case, it may be a substitute or not. Quite conscious now if where the lines are.
Perhaps a quote from the great John Wooden comes to mind: “never let what you can’t do interfere with what you can do”.
 
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I bought the new ipad pro m4 11'' with MK in order to replace my laptop. For my use i can replace it at the moment.
i want to mention that i have also a mac mini m2 and windows pc at my work... whenever i want i can connect to windows pc(as i can turn it on remote,while mac mini i cant) with anydesk(little bit slow) or rustdesk. The only problem is when i am typing and i want to change languages via Magic keyboard isnt easy...i have to remove ipad from the case and enable the keyboard in order to change language... If there is a way to change between languages more easy will be very convenient for me!!
 
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I got an M1 iPad Pro with magic keyboard in 2021, replacing my aging 2014 MBP 15”. I’ve been using it for everything I do outside work (have to use a Windows laptop for that).

Despite the iPad doing a good job at most things, the MBP never got retired. It is desk-bound (bad battery) and crashes every few days for unknown reasons, but it does some things I need that the iPad just doesn’t. Like rule-based filters in Mail, Automator scripts in Music, file management using a bash (now zsh), etc, etc.

After the M4 iPad Pros came out I added up the price of a 1TB 13” model and magic keyboard and was shocked. It turns out that for 1000 dollars (AU) less I can get an M3 MacBook Air 13” with 24GB and 1TB storage! On top of that, the MBA is thinner and lighter than my current iPad/MK combo. I won’t be getting ProMotion, but that’s something I won’t miss much. I will also not be getting a touch screen, but frankly, I never used the iPad that way, only ever with MK.

So that’s what I‘m doing, I’m getting an MBA as iPad replacement 🙂 As an added bonus I will finally be able to retire the old MBP, and I’ll be able to run all iPad apps that matter to me.
 
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I got an M1 iPad Pro with magic keyboard in 2021, replacing my aging 2014 MBP 15”. I’ve been using it for everything I do outside work (have to use a Windows laptop for that).

Despite the iPad doing a good job at most things, the MBP never got retired. It is desk-bound (bad battery) and crashes every few days for unknown reasons, but it does some things I need that the iPad just doesn’t. Like rule-based filters in Mail, Automator scripts in Music, file management using a bash (now zsh), etc, etc.

After the M4 iPad Pros came out I added up the price of a 1TB 13” model and magic keyboard and was shocked. It turns out that for 1000 dollars (AU) less I can get an M3 MacBook Air 13” with 24GB and 1TB storage! On top of that, the MBA is thinner and lighter than my current iPad/MK combo. I won’t be getting ProMotion, but that’s something I won’t miss much. I will also not be getting a touch screen, but frankly, I never used the iPad that way, only ever with MK.

So that’s what I‘m doing, I’m getting an MBA as iPad replacement 🙂 As an added bonus I will finally be able to retire the old MBP, and I’ll be able to run all iPad apps that matter to me.
Always buy the right device for your needs.
 
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Well, for the Photogrphers here there is maybe a tad of Hope left. Topaz seems to think to bring their AI Software to iPad 😇
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You mentioned that you would ideally like to just swap the logic board for an M4, so it seemed to me that while you enjoy the M2, you'd rather upgrade it already given the option.
I was just curious if you found it lacking in some area, as I have the same machine and can't currently imagine a single use case I would have for an upgraded SoC.
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It sounds like the traditional desktop OS workflow just suits you better overall, and that's fine. It's what you're used to and are the most productive at. But maybe it doesn't necessarily come down to platform limitations, rather just differences at best.

Actually what he really needs is an Air with a touch screen. And maybe one that folded back so that the keyboard was out of the way. But Apple wants you do buy an iPad and an Air. And yet their operating systems are quite different. The answer is outside of Apple's product lines.
 
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I have to say, while I still use my iPad heavily, there seems to be a few pretty annoying bugs with the files app.

1) I am unable to open / view pdf documents in the files app. Instead, I just get a blank screen with the name of the document. Sometimes, opening the OneDrive app and allowing the document to load solves the issue, sometimes it doesn't. This is particularly grating because it means I cannot drag and drop the file into notability directly.

2) I am now for some reason unable to open documents in the respective office app (excel, word, ppt). An error message pops up (seems like some redirect error). So instead, I open the app first, locate the file from the document picker, then open it. Still works, but a little less convenient now.

Not sure if anyone here has had a similar experience to mine?
 
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I have to say, while I still use my iPad heavily, there seems to be a few pretty annoying bugs with the files app.

1) I am unable to open / view pdf documents in the files app. Instead, I just get a blank screen with the name of the document. Sometimes, opening the OneDrive app and allowing the document to load solves the issue, sometimes it doesn't. This is particularly grating because it means I cannot drag and drop the file into notability directly.

2) I am now for some reason unable to open documents in the respective office app (excel, word, ppt). An error message pops up (seems like some redirect error). So instead, I open the app first, locate the file from the document picker, then open it. Still works, but a little less convenient now.

Not sure if anyone here has had a similar experience to mine?
I think those must be bugs you’re encountering. I’ve never had an issue with either of those things. Sorry to hear that you’re running into those difficulties.
 
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