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YOTR

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That honestly sounds good. But a 12.9 iPP should be able to do everything.

I agree. In theory I think she could get by with just an ipad pro and honestly I was leaning towards the 12.9 version as the only device (with a magic keyboard, mouse, etc). I am just concerned that she will run into issues down the road with her classes. She is planning on finishing grad school and going right to her doctorate.

She will definitely use the note taking and other features of the ipad pro. Probably even some with her actual job she has now. I am just concerned I think because this device needs to do everything she needs for 4-5 years. I just figured getting both would cover everything. She likes the 11" ipad pro more to complement the macbook pro but if I was getting just one I would definitely go for the 12.9 version.

We actually just received everything yesterday (went ahead and upgraded the shipping since we wouldn't be home today or tomorrow). I haven't opened anything yet but I admit I am wondering if I should reconsider while I can. We got it at best buy so it's an easy swap/return to the store if needed. The only thing I would lose is the upgraded shipping which wasn't much.


UPDATE: Well after talking it over with my wife, we are going to try with just the 12.9 IPP, magic keyboard, and pencil. I already had ordered her a logitech mx anywhere 2S mouse so I will just keep that as I think she still needs one as she might not like using the track pad all the time. I returned everything to best buy tonight and will be placing an order for the ipad pro tonight. I think I will just go for the 256GB one as I don't think she needs the 512 (and we can always increase our icloud storage). I think she is still a little concerned but honestly after watching what she does and what she uses her current work pc for, this should be completely fine. Also from the beginning she stated if the ipad pro could do what she needed, she would prefer that and the magic keyboard.

I always had it in the back of my head that I was overdoing it with this setup for her. I felt comfortable with the ipad pro purchase (she uses an older ipad at work all the time) but the macbook pro seemed like overkill for her needs. I really didn't stop to think that she would use a fraction of the power needed for both devices (and I was thinking like an IT person instead of what she really needed). I admit if I was buying something for myself I would also just go for the ipad pro/magic keyboard route. My IT job would probably say get a loaded out macbook pro 13 or even 16, lol. Hopefully everything works out. I expect there will be some growing pains with apps, etc. but I think we can make it work (and save a ton of money in the process).
 
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filu_

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Hello! This is my first post on your forum. I'll get to the point. I have been using Linux on my home computer for 15 years. I used Windows before. My wife uses windows on a laptop, I also have to use this system at work. I don't like him because it's heavy, requires antivirus software, and is still doing some things in the background that slow him down.


Unfortunately, Linux has numerous limitations, no software (although no games are positive;)), no drivers. I learned to live with it, especially since it does not require antivirus, it can be configured, and in a stable version it is quite predictable.


I use the computer after quite trivial tasks:

- simple texts and spreadsheets in Libre Office (home affairs),

- mail,

- internet,

- simple photo processing (resizing, cropping, watermark - GIMP),

- home data storage (letters, sheets, photos, music, movies),

- home data server (miniDLNA, SMB),

- sometimes I use a CD-ROM (data archiving but I also rip my music CDs - law in my country allows me to make a backup copy, although of course I prefer to listen to music from an iPhone, on a computer during work or through a receiver connected to SmartTV).

I also have a simple Brother DCP 1622WE printer with a scanner, which works terribly as a printer under Linux and quite well as a scanner (XSane).


My wife and I have been using iphones for several years. In addition to the inconvenience associated with file management (iTunes for Windows), you can live with it - I uploaded a large collection of music for iPhone once, while photos from iPhone are transferred to a computer via cable (copy-paste). In this way, on my computer I create my own collection of photos according to my own layout, e.g. Holiday2020, Easter2018 etc.

Last year I bought an iPad mini 5, which I am very happy with. I use it mainly for entertainment. Something I managed to sync with the computer via Dropbox and Evernote but I lack more integration, especially the lack of Safari on Linux (I have and I like Firefox but I'm not convinced to use it on iPad and iPhone).

It was normal to want to expand the ecosystem with a Mac, especially since my old computer began to show signs of age (the network card stopped working).

I bought a Mac mini but returned it due to a random display of a black screen after starting (external Phillips monitor, USB-C connection). I came to the conclusion that it is not for this money to pay a lot of money, to continue to play, as on Linux, in finding solutions.

In addition, Mac OS did not impress me - I did not like the attempts to organize my folders with music and photos by Music and Photos applications, and I find the data synchronization system with iPhone and iPad quirky. Copy - paste gives me much more control over my data.

Besides, I would have to buy additional devices, such as an external CD-ROM, data discs or NAS (QNAP, Synology, Raspberry), which made this option ridiculously expensive for a home computer. Yes, I can still use my old computer as a server but it would be the fourth device in total, next to the iPhone, iPad and Mac.

I also considered the option with iMac but I do not need so much power (and I do not have so much money) or MacBook (but I do not need so much portability, which costs so much).

So I decided to move with all my activity to the iPad, but to a larger one. I want to exchange a mini for Pro 11 ". With LibreOffice I will move to iWork, from GIMP - to Polarr or another application (I tested Polarr, what I did on GIMP I do faster on Polarr). I liked transforming movies from iPhone (iMovie). I haven't found a good photo scanning application yet, so far it's better on a Brother scanner. For everything I need, I've been printing with iPad for a long time.

I would only turn on the computer as an SMB server (transferring data from iPhone / iPad), DLNA (watching movies on iPad and SmartTV, listening to music on SmartTV). I would also use it when working with CD / DVD and to scan photos until I find a good application (the application from Brother has few options and scans photos in too low quality). All pendrives could also be connected to a computer and in this way I could get to them from an iPad (I probably won't need to connect directly to an iPad).

I'm a bit worried about email archiving - I use iCloud, live and gmail email - I'm just archiving it on Thunderbird on my computer and I could still do it. I know that the mail application archived on iCloud is only mail from this server but after all you only need to transfer the mail from the live inbox to iCloud and it's ready - you can archive.

The worst problem is multimedia management, I know the VLC capabilities but it is nicer to have music in the system application. Transferring photos via SMB suits me completely.

I was able to diagnose so many benefits and problems ex-ante. Cool suggestions welcome :)

I ordered an iPad 11 ", 256 GB, and I will buy Smart Folio Keyboard (or something from Logitech). Magic Keyboard is too expensive, it does not protect the iPad after removing it and the trackpad is not on my wish list. I prefer to spend the price difference on an Apple Pencil. I know that MacBook Air is affordable but I am not convinced by this computer. MBP is simply too expensive - counting the USB-C adapter and AppleCare.

Also, the wife wants to replace the old laptop with the MacBook Air, although in my opinion it will quickly put it in the corner, because every day her old iPhone SE was enough (and since yesterday she has SE 2020). I think my iPad mini is enough, and if not - we will return to the MBA talk.



Greetings!
 

Isengardtom

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They're trying so hard to be a MS Surface (despite all those years of warning us about 'the dangers' of a touch surface on a laptop). For a supposedly design-focused company, the vastly overpriced 'Magic' keyboard /track pad for the iPad 'pro' is just hilarious ... FINE. The iPad Pro is a laptop. - Magic Keyboard Review.
I have it and it’s great I can tell you. Especially the trackpad is amazing, but the keyboard is great too. Is it too expensive? Yes it’s definitely $50-$75 too expensive but for me it adds much more value than the awkward folio option.
and I don’t agree with the making The iPad into a surface argument. The surface line tries to be a laptop with (in my personal view anyway) crappy tablet functionality. iPad is still tablet first.
that‘s why I like the MK. Because the iPad can be easily snapped on and off
 

Marlon DLTH :)

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They're trying so hard to be a MS Surface (despite all those years of warning us about 'the dangers' of a touch surface on a laptop). For a supposedly design-focused company, the vastly overpriced 'Magic' keyboard /track pad for the iPad 'pro' is just hilarious ... FINE. The iPad Pro is a laptop. - Magic Keyboard Review.

Actually not. The iPad is primarily a touch device and always will be. That's what I like most about it. They are making it more capable than ever before, but at the same time it’s still a tablet and can be used only through the screen, without needing additional accessories. And that's something the MS has failed on, because you'll always need a mouse and keyboard for an enjoyable experience.
 
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B1llyG

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Actually not. The iPad is primarily a touch device and always will be. That's what I like most about it. They are making it more capable than ever before, but at the same time it’s still a tablet and can be used only through the screen, without needing additional accessories. And that's something the MS has failed on, because you'll always need a mouse and keyboard for an enjoyable experience.

Yes, it’s all about focus and (your) primary usage. The iPad is a great tablet but makes for a poor laptop (in terms of functionality and overall value), especially with the MK. On the other hand, the Surface is a nice laptop but makes for a poor tablet. For productivity or “pro” usage I prefer the Surface (the package as a whole not just the form factor). For “casual” usage I greatly prefer my iPad Pro.
 
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lezmace

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Is there any way to backup my iCloud Photos to an external hard disk?

On the Mac i can backup my photos using time machine. But on the iPad there is only the possibility to back them up manually (selecting every photo) and copy them to an external hard disk.
 

petvas

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Is there any way to backup my iCloud Photos to an external hard disk?

On the Mac i can backup my photos using time machine. But on the iPad there is only the possibility to back them up manually (selecting every photo) and copy them to an external hard disk.
No, it's not possible.
 

B1llyG

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Is there any way to backup my iCloud Photos to an external hard disk?

On the Mac i can backup my photos using time machine. But on the iPad there is only the possibility to back them up manually (selecting every photo) and copy them to an external hard disk.

Yes, you can. Although it does require a laptop or desktop....effectively answering the question if the iPad can replace a laptop...

I recently ran into this issue when I had to make a backup of my deceased grandfather’s iCloud. I wanted to download all his photo’s etc. First tried to do this by using the icloud control panel in my laptop. That works but takes (too) long (for me). I searched this forum and learned you can ask Apple for a download of all the data they have on you (thank you GDPR!). This includes photo’s!

Within a few days I received the requested backup with all my grandfather’s data. Of course, I was still not able to download the files provided by Apple to my iPad Pro, because you know...you still need a lap/desktop to use with your “Next Computer”... 🤯

So, as long as you have access to a lap/desktop you can create a backup to any removable storage device of your choice!


Edit: I stand corrected, you can make a direct to external storage back-up of your photo’s. No lap/desktop required!
Thanks @Namara for sharing the tip!
 
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Yes, you can. Although it does require a laptop or desktop....effectively answering the question if the iPad can replace a laptop...

I recently ran into this issue when I had to make a backup of my deceased grandfather’s iCloud. I wanted to download all his photo’s etc. First tried to do this by using the icloud control panel in my laptop. That works but takes (too) long (for me). I searched this forum and learned you can ask Apple for a download of all the data they have on you (thank you GDPR!). This includes photo’s!

Within a few days I received the requested backup with all my grandfather’s data. Of course, I was still not able to download the files provided by Apple to my iPad Pro, because you know...you still need a lap/desktop to use with your “Next Computer”... ?

So, as long as you have access to a lap/desktop you can create a backup to any removable storage device of your choice!
This is not the original question. Without a real computer, it's not possible to backup iCloud Photos to an external disk.
 
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B1llyG

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This is not the original question. Without a real computer, it's not possible to backup iCloud Photos to an external disk.

Thanks for sharing your interpretation of what the poster intended to ask! I always value a new perspective. Especially when it confirms my argument ?
 

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You can backup iCloud Photos from an iPad or iPhone to an external disk without a Mac. I just did it. Here's the steps:
1. Connect your external drive and create a folder in the Files app on that drive.
2. Open Photos and select one or more albums, or drag over a selection.
3. Tap the Share menu and select Save to Files.
4. Navigate to the photos folder on your external drive.
5. Tap Save.
 

blaugrana69

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One simple thing I wish I could do on my iPP. Buy music, for example from Bandcamp, and download it to my itunes library.
 

petvas

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You can backup iCloud Photos from an iPad or iPhone to an external disk without a Mac. I just did it. Here's the steps:
1. Connect your external drive and create a folder in the Files app on that drive.
2. Open Photos and select one or more albums, or drag over a selection.
3. Tap the Share menu and select Save to Files.
4. Navigate to the photos folder on your external drive.
5. Tap Save.
Well, this is not a backup that keeps album and folder structure. It is just a file copy/export of specific photos. If you have thousands photos in many albums, this is not the way to make a backup..
 

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I created subfolders for each album. Works for my thousands of photos ... sure looks like a backup to me. The point is it is possible, and it's a fun exercise to see what else is possible going iPad only. I may get a Mac again at some point, who knows? For now though iPad only suits my needs.
 
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DoubleFlyaway

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I created subfolders for each album. Works for my thousands of photos ... sure looks like a backup to me. The point is it is possible, and it's a fun exercise to see what else is possible going iPad only. I may get a Mac again at some point, who knows? For now though iPad only suits my needs.

I think this is an interesting point-- that iPad only now doesn't have to mean iPad only forever-- and getting a Mac also doesn't mean you were wrong during the period an iPad only suited your needs. I was iPad only for 2 1/2 years before recently getting a Mac mini, and it worked really well for me. I am starting a business and just wanted a bit more professional setup and a bit more multitasking. It's nice-- I'm enjoying it. But I don't absolutely need my Mac-- I would give it up before I gave up my iPP.
 

B1llyG

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You can backup iCloud Photos from an iPad or iPhone to an external disk without a Mac. I just did it. Here's the steps:
1. Connect your external drive and create a folder in the Files app on that drive.
2. Open Photos and select one or more albums, or drag over a selection.
3. Tap the Share menu and select Save to Files.
4. Navigate to the photos folder on your external drive.
5. Tap Save.

Thank you! I wasn’t aware of this, just tried it and works great!
 
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filu_

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I have been using a Linux computer at home for 15 years, and for about 10 years I have been collecting photos in albums I have just created.

I downloaded photos from various phones and cameras, or from other people. I recently tried to move to mac mini. None of this came out, because the computer often did not wake up the monitor (black screen after starting the computer). After 14 days I gave up my mac mini but I didn't buy an imac or macbook. In my opinion, managing photos and music in mac os (or Windows - iTunes) is completely pointless. I certainly wouldn't let mac destroy my 10 years of work. It is different if someone has always had a mac. And he has his precious albums he wouldn't want to lose. I understand that.

I came to the conclusion that I would still be manually copying photos from iphone to my linux computer that will be the server.

I always have a few photos from an event on iphone / ipad. I have the rest on my computer. That's why I don't mind that iphone / ipad will create its albums - as long as I have my server ...
 

petvas

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I created subfolders for each album. Works for my thousands of photos ... sure looks like a backup to me. The point is it is possible, and it's a fun exercise to see what else is possible going iPad only. I may get a Mac again at some point, who knows? For now though iPad only suits my needs.
So, if you want to restore, how would you do it exactly just by using the iPad?
 

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How would I restore iCloud Photos? Using an iCloud restore because iOS/iPadOS requires a full device restore. It would also be possible to add images stored in Files folders into Photos, but if I needed to restore my device, I'd use an iCloud backup. The secondary backup on an external drive is for safekeeping. It would be cool if Apple or a third-party created an iPad backup utility intended for external drives.

Before I sold my most recent Mac, I made multiple backups of the Photos library stored in various places. It's not useful without a Mac, but it's there to preserve the bulk of photos if I ever need it.

What I like most about this phase is the creative thinking curve of how to make things work.
 
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subjonas

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What I like most about this phase is the creative thinking curve of how to make things work.
Whoa whoa whoa! Having to be creative and figure out how to make things work is exactly why I left Windows/Android! Apple is more expensive but the time and energy I’ve saved has been well worth it. To each their own, but personally I’ll be waiting until the roads are well-paved before I venture out.
 

Marlon DLTH :)

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Yes, it’s all about focus and (your) primary usage. The iPad is a great tablet but makes for a poor laptop (in terms of functionality and overall value), especially with the MK. On the other hand, the Surface is a nice laptop but makes for a poor tablet. For productivity or “pro” usage I prefer the Surface (the package as a whole not just the form factor). For “casual” usage I greatly prefer my iPad Pro.

Yes, and “the iPad makes for a poor laptop” depends on what you use a laptop for. I mean, the iPad makes a great job in some “laptop tasks” like photo editing, but there are other areas where the iPad isn’t good yet
 
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