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iPad mini iPad Mini 6 jelly scrolling
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This clip is old and already posted. I think was the first video ever hinting towards the issue.
It's the only clip that I can honestly say I see the jelly. The others posted since have not been that impressive to me.
I got the new iPad mini today. I have to say the display is subpar and I noticed the Jelly scrolling right of the bat when selecting the language. This is the first time that I am ever returning a Apple product for the subpar quality as I expect more for my $650 I spent on it. I currently have a iPad Air 4, even in landscape I don't notice any jelly scrolling, good thing I didn't trade it in. I really wanted the iPad mini...
I thought people were exaggerating this, but I was wrong. I have an iPad Pro 12.9 and an iPhone 12 Pro and I barely notice the 120Hz on the iPad, so I thought “I’m probably someone who is less susceptible to this”. I went to the Apple Store because I want the Mini!
First thing I noticed was how choppy the animation was. Especially when the dock had tiny icons due to the recent apps in portrait.
The second thing was the jelly scrolling, which to me was very apparent because everything I would scroll would make the screen feel like it was tilted up or down. I felt like being on a boat or being really drunk or sleep deprived. All 7 Mini’s I tried had this in the store.
So as I didn’t notice the 120Hz between the iPad Pro and iPhone 12 Pro that much, I did notice the 120Hz between the iPad Pro and iPad Mini a lot. And…. I also noticed the 120Hz on the 13 Pro immediately In comparison to the iPhone 12 Pro.
So….. I will be skipping this Mini. The jelly scrolling, the choppy animations, the cramped home screen, the tiny icons and tiny widgets, the lack of silver as a colour, it’s too much.
First thing I noticed was how choppy the animation was. Especially when the dock had tiny icons due to the recent apps in portrait.
The second thing was the jelly scrolling, which to me was very apparent because everything I would scroll would make the screen feel like it was tilted up or down. I felt like being on a boat or being really drunk or sleep deprived. All 7 Mini’s I tried had this in the store.
So as I didn’t notice the 120Hz between the iPad Pro and iPhone 12 Pro that much, I did notice the 120Hz between the iPad Pro and iPad Mini a lot. And…. I also noticed the 120Hz on the 13 Pro immediately In comparison to the iPhone 12 Pro.
So….. I will be skipping this Mini. The jelly scrolling, the choppy animations, the cramped home screen, the tiny icons and tiny widgets, the lack of silver as a colour, it’s too much.
It was in landscape mode before. Many people mostly scroll text and browse while they are in portrait so it became more apparent now. Some have said that the jelly effect also becomes more visible when you see it on such a narrow screen as the Mini 6, compared to if it would have refresh in landscape instead. I don't know if that is true though.
I don't really know, but this is my guess. It makes sense that for a given refresh rate, the problem would seem more pronounced the narrower the screen. The total skew would be fixed, based on the refresh rate, but with a broader screen that skew would be stretched out and so less noticeable. The iPad mini 6 has the narrowest iPad screen, and unlike the previous mini the effect occurs in portrait mode rather than landscape. Hopefully someone who really knows what they're talking about will correct this if it is wrong.
If I couldn't stand the Air 4 vs the Pro 11 due to lack of pro-motion, I imagine I'd be someone who is even more affected by the ... I'm not going to say it... mini problem!
When I used a Mini 5 it felt fine, wasn't choppy, and was very doable - despite having used an iPad Pro 11 for 2 years+. The Air 4, while doable, was noticeably choppier and end of story with Apple Pencil (needs to have promotion for this).
When I used a Mini 5 it felt fine, wasn't choppy, and was very doable - despite having used an iPad Pro 11 for 2 years+. The Air 4, while doable, was noticeably choppier and end of story with Apple Pencil (needs to have promotion for this).
Same. Some jitteriness is expected and outside of that original video it doesn't seem like a huge deal, at least that's my response from my armchair (I don't have a mini 6).
The Air 4 jelly-scrolls to the same amount as the Mini 6, as the Mini 5, as the Air 3, as the 2015 Pro, as every other iPad display running 60Hz. The same 60 cycles per second emanating from one side line-by-line. They all jelly-scroll in exactly the same way because they use exactly the same screen technology.
I posted this yesterday in another thread. This is my iPad Air 4 from yesterday in all its jellyscrolling glory. It jellyscrolls because it is 60Hz LCD, like they all do. If you film a 60Hz iPad in slow motion then you will see jellyscroll. It is a technological consequence of this kind of display.
That might be true for your devices... it isn't for mine. I can see the jelly scrolling on the Mini 6, but my Mini 5 doesn't exhibit this behavior in portrait nor landscape orientation. I still have my iPad 1 and iPad 2 and neither of them exhibit this behavior either.
Some have conflated the jittery scrolling with jelly scrolling. I'm not suggesting that you are one of those people but I have seen others claim that a device exhibits jelly scrolling when it is actually jittery scrolling.
Jittery scrolling can be resolved by a 120 Hz refresh rate, jelly scrolling cannot.
I think you are mistaken. If your devices are 60Hz LCDs they will refresh line-by-line from one orientation and jelly-scrolling will be observed through slow-motion footage
Refreshing line by line isn't the problem. It is the speed in which an individual line gets refreshed that causes the jelly scrolling. That's not a function of the refresh rate.
I can't say I understand this. To me a line refresh equates to a refresh rate but I watched a YouTube video where they tried to explain the difference (beyond me) lol.
I just know when I used the Air 4 - every time I'd scroll, it was jagged so I usually tried to rapid scroll and scroll less frequently, whereas on my iPad Pro 11 I can slowly scroll and text stays mostly sharp. My mini 5 seemed to have a lot less jittery scrolling vs the Air 4 (I figured higher PPI, smaller screen?). I haven't used a mini 6 but it seems to remind me of the Air 4 a lot - a worse air 4?
The refresh rate is relevant. The speed of 60 refreshes per second vs the speed of 120 refreshes per second counts for a a lot. Jelly-scrolling does technically exist on 120Hz displays but it is simply far less noticeable and even in slow-motion footage appears to be negligible.
Well there are differences, from what I gather a 60 Hz display will have the scanout being slower along the shorter edge than the longer one (which makes sense since they are both 60 Hz). So a jelly effect will actually be more noticable if the display updates left to right in portrait mode instead left to right in landscape just because the actual scanout is slower.
That's minor relative to Mini 6 because if you look at the skew of horizontal lines the angle is about 5 degrees whereas on the Mini 6 it's more pronounced at about 30 degrees.
Unless you must have the smaller size I see NIB iPad Pro M1 11" 128GB on FB Marketplace for $500 which is much better hardware.
Just curious why is this only on the iPad Mini and not the other iPads. For instance my iPad Pro 12.9 2018 version has no jelly scrolling in landscape or portrait mode. What is the technical reason behind this?
I just used the new mini for the first time myself. Is the jelly scrolling noticeable? Yes. Enough that I would have noticed it even if I hadn’t been looking for it? Yes. Do I feel that Apple never should have let it ship with this flaw? Yes. Do I think it’s a deal breaker that ruins the experience? No.
I should mention that I’ve used a lot of iPads over the years and I’d never even heard of, let alone noticed, jelly scrolling before now, so yes, it is more noticeable on the Mini 6 compared to other 60hz LCD displays. Now that I know what to look for I can only just barely see it on other iPads, only in landscape, and only if I really intentionally look for it.
I should mention that I’ve used a lot of iPads over the years and I’d never even heard of, let alone noticed, jelly scrolling before now, so yes, it is more noticeable on the Mini 6 compared to other 60hz LCD displays. Now that I know what to look for I can only just barely see it on other iPads, only in landscape, and only if I really intentionally look for it.
The iPad Pro has it, it is just not as noticable because of the 120 Hz screen. It is hard to notice on the Pro even when trying to find it on a webpage (even though I do see it slightly then), but if you run a scan skew test you can clearly see it has it.