iPad mini iPad Mini 6 jelly scrolling

[davidako]

They could probably fix it in software by taking snapshots of the page every 17ms and only displaying those static snapshots. That, of course, would lead to jerky scrolling instead of smooth scrolling so people wouldn't like that either. That would work best on 120hz displays.

Apple tried to make the landscape scrolling perfect and screwed up the portrait scrolling in the process. If they had continued to make portrait scrolling perfect as before, landscape scrolling would be defective but still much less annoying to those who notice these things. Engineering is all about making choices between least bad options like that, they chose poorly based on use cases.

I'm still waiting for mine to arrive. I expect I won't notice as my vision is declining due to age and my field of vision likely won't see the complete line all at once like I used to be able to do. I have to scan while I read even on narrow displays. Also I plan on mostly using landscape mode so I can expand the text sizes more to see better. Still won't know until I have one to try. I am expecting an improvement over my 13ProMax which does work fairly well for me now in landscape.

Because the mini 6 is taller than the mini 5 the jelly scroll would have been even less noticeable than the mini 5 if they kept the landscape orientation.

Instead they changed to make the jelly visible in portrait AND also made the mini 6 the narrowest iPad ever so that the jelly effect is the greatest of any iPad in their entire history.

Absolutely stupid decision. Makes no sense whatsoever. So it must have been cheaper.

 

[turbineseaplane]

Because the mini 6 is taller than the mini 5 the jelly scroll would have been even less noticeable than the mini 5 if they kept the landscape orientation.

Instead they changed to make the jelly visible in portrait AND also made the mini 6 the narrowest iPad ever so that the jelly effect is the greatest of any iPad in their entire history.

Absolutely stupid decision. Makes no sense whatsoever. So it must have been cheaper.

Beautifully articulated

Honestly, I'm surprised that in testing nobody at Apple thought about this..
But as I say that - perhaps they did and were simply out voted --- or perhaps a supply or design issue forced their hand here.

Not sure we'll ever know.

 

[vartanarsen]

The problem for Apple now is this: somewhere along the process of this redesign, someone decided to prioritize landscape mode (for reasons that baffle me).

Someone somewhere then failed communicate this to Marketing or Retail, because:
- When you visit Apple’s splash page for the Mini the first thing you see is the new Mini shown in… portrait.
- When you go to buy the product from anywhere (Amazon, Apple,etc) the device is shown in…portrait.
- When iJustine (Youtuber) interviewed Tim Cook the other day he showed her the new Mini and was holding it in… portrait .
- If you go into a retail store the new Minis are all laid out in…portrait.

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Can we all petition iJustine to get Tim's attention on this?

 

[turbineseaplane]

Can we all petition iJustine to get Tim's attention on this?

Or Tim's assistant -- I doubt he uses any of these devices and rather just has his watch ping him when the stock has gone up again.

 

[ofarlig]

The question now becomes, how long should I wait until I try it again? I really want to make it work and I am hoping that there really are different panels where one is slightly faster.

 

[turbineseaplane]

The question now becomes, how long should I wait until I try it again? I really want to make it work and I am hoping that there really are different panels where one is slightly faster.

I don't have any faith anything will happen on this...but if it does, I'd bet it wouldn't be until sometime next year.

I think this is the Mini 6 for the foreseeable future -- if not for 3 more years.

Really hope to be wrong and there's a panel sourcing change or something before the next revision.

 

[Mainsail]

I generally discount these types of complaints substantially for the MacRumors echo chamber effect. However, I checked out the iPad mini 6 at my local Apple store, and it is very noticeable. I am not very picky about screens, but it is kind of a show stopper for me.

 

[*~Kim~*]

I am wondering whether there was an issue with keeping the position the same as previously, now that there's an extra speaker and the volume buttons up top?

It does seem odd to have the pencil connector and sim tray on the same side, but it makes sense if the free side is instead where the culprit is located.

 

[Sanlitun]

Anyone else seeing an update available soley on their Mini 6?

 

[imdog]

Anyone else seeing an update available soley on their Mini 6?

what do you mean?

 

[bobcomer]

Anyone else seeing an update available soley on their Mini 6?

The first day I did. I expect it was because it was the first released MacOS 15 device and maybe what was there wasn't the full released version of iPad OS 15.

 

[Sanlitun]

what do you mean?

iPadOS 15 security update. So far I am only seeing it on my Mini 6.

"This update provides important security updates and fixes an issue where widgets may revert to their default settings after restoring from a backup"

 

[Sanlitun]

The first day I did. I expect it was because it was the first released MacOS 15 device and maybe what was there wasn't the full released version of iPad OS 15.

Ah my bad I got excited and was hoping for some Jelly fixes.

 

[dsusanj]

iPadOS 15 security update. So far I am only seeing it on my Mini 6.

"This update provides important security updates and fixes an issue where widgets may revert to their default settings after restoring from a backup"

This was released for the two new iPads and the new iPhones only as they left the factory with the release candidate of iOS 15 installed. You will not see it on other devices.

 

[BurgDog]

I don't have any faith anything will happen on this...but if it does, I'd bet it wouldn't be until sometime next year.

I think this is the Mini 6 for the foreseeable future -- if not for 3 more years.

Really hope to be wrong and there's a panel sourcing change or something before the next revision.

Mini 7 will likely have a 120hz panel where the effect will be reduced by half. Doubt Apple will change the landscape display preference, but they might and with a 120hz panel that would reduce the issue to below noticeable for most people. I strongly doubt that anything can be done on the Mini 6 as this is baked into the hardware design and is likely a conscious design choice that Apple will defend.

 

[Dominican]

Mini 7 will likely have a 120hz panel where the effect will be reduced by half. Doubt Apple will change the landscape display preference, but they might and with a 120hz panel that would reduce the issue to below noticeable for most people.

No way apple add 120 Hz to mini 7 .

 

[turbineseaplane]

No way apple add 120 Hz to mini 7 .

We have no idea -- Mini 7 is probably a 2024 product.
Who knows what they will/won't do on screens by then

 

[BurgDog]

No way apple add 120 Hz to mini 7 .

People giving them enough grief about the current display issues may give them an incentive to upgrade. Also the mini is a lagging tech product so should eventually get the current good stuff when they move on to something better.

 

[dcpmark]

Anyone else seeing an update available soley on their Mini 6?

I got it too. I thought it strange considering that the system info said I was on iOS 15, but the system update wanted me to update to iOS 15. So I did, no issues.

 

[Shanghaichica]

No way apple add 120 Hz to mini 7 .

It will eventually come down to the mini and the air and even the budget iPad. If will just take several years.

 

[vmac556]

I got my mini 6 today. Usually the internet blows things out of proportion. Not in this case. The screen is just blurry, jelly is easily noticeable in both orientations. Although it is bit better landscape. Shocking apple would approve this screen. Worst iv seen on a apple device. Returning it tomorrow.

 

[turbineseaplane]

I got my mini 6 today. Usually the internet blows things out of proportion. Not in this case. The screen is just blurry, jelly is easily noticeable in both orientations. Although it is bit better landscape. Shocking apple would approve this screen. Worst iv seen on a apple device. Returning it tomorrow.

Speaking the truth - thanks for chiming in

Part of me is still really hoping there are multiple display suppliers and it's explaining some of the disparity of experiences we are seeing reported.

 

[wilberforce]

jelly is easily noticeable in both orientations.

Thanks for sharing your observations, but it is not actually possible to have the jelly effect in both orientations - or should I say, more precisely, it is not possible to have the scan-skewing effect in both directions.
It could be what you are perceiving as "jelly" in the landscape orientiation is something other the scan-skewing, or I am misunderstanding, so not denying your impressions.
Regardless, I think you make the right decision to return it if it is not acceptable to you, and I do appreciate your candid feedback

 

[jbellanca]

Thank you for coming around to it. But your "scrolling while reading" comments had me intrigued. I was going to reply about it last night but was too tired.

Now, I always assumed everyone does some reading while scrolling. Then I asked my dad and apparently he doesn't at all (says it increases eye strain)! I don't typically "read to absorb" while scrolling, but I definitely "read to scan" while scrolling. I'm always picking out keywords when choosing whether to click on a reddit or forum post. After that, I stop and have a more careful read if I need to. It's an essential part of the normal social media and website experience.

Even aside from that, I often read fast enough that I end up doing a slow scroll through the web page/app to keep the text in the middle. I can see the effect even going at the slowest possible scroll speed... The only times I don't see it is when flipping pages on kindle/books or using it in landscape mode or watching videos/gaming.

I do the same read/scroll thing as you. I just always assumed everyone did, but learned from this thread we're probably in the minority. Interesting!

 

[ScanTheNavian]

I do the same read/scroll thing as you. I just always assumed everyone did, but learned from this thread we're probably in the minority. Interesting!

I also do this if I understood you correctly. I wonder if that is the reason I don't get motion sickness when I read in a vehicle. If I read a physical book with normal pages I start feeling sick instantly, but on an electronical device while scrolling it's okay.