You mean letter-sized notepad? that's close to the 9.7. I use a padfolio that is half that (5.5 x 8.5) and the iPad Mini is the same size as that.
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iPad Pro 12.9 - a failed experiment?
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I use iPad pro 12.9" everyday. But it is not as portable as I would have liked.
The 9.7 is definitely the sweet spot and rightly said by Steve Jobs. He experimented a lot on usable size for Apple's first tablet and threw so many prototypes in to garbage bin until he found the 9.7" size to be perfect.
Now if Apple can fit 10.5" screen in 9.7" iPad dimensions, nothing like it. Technology was not mature back then. Now they can.
Currently for 12.9" iPad, the huge speakers, 4GB RAM and fastest SOC are the only things going in it's favor. The screen is disappointing.
In what way is the screen for iPad Pro 12.9 disappointing?
The viewing angles are not ideal. I have been spoilt by True-Tone warm display of iPhone 7 Plus and 9.7" iPad Pros.
iPhone 7 Plus does not have a True Tone display. Wide colour display (P3) but nowhere does it mention True Tone.
since Apple let improvements for the second gen 12.9",this experiment will not be a failed one. They need ,and they will im sure,make it lighter, adopt the true tone display, apple pencil 2,and with ios11, apple can bring even more useful and great features
Have to disagree here. The display on the 12.9 is outstanding.
If the TrueTone function can be disabled so that it is indistinguishable from non-TrueTone panels then I'm all for it. Choice is good.
True tone can be disabled either in settings or apps (like drawing, photo editing) can disable the setting when color correctness is important.
Failed experiment? I am laughing so hard right now. Anyway I have been using 9.7 iPad Air 2 and 15" rMBP with me ALL THE TIME until I got 12.9 iPP with Logitech keyboard I can see why I leave my rMBP at home. It does everything I do with rMBP and I noticed my back feel bit better now. 
Failed experiment? I am laughing so hard right now. Anyway I have been using 9.7 iPad Air 2 and 15" rMBP with me ALL THE TIME until I got 12.9 iPP with Logitech keyboard I can see why I leave my rMBP at home. It does everything I do with rMBP and I noticed my back feel bit better now.
Maybe you should ask if the 12.9 is a failure at places like Starbucks...
... oh, wait...
I would not call the 12.9" iPad Pro "a failed experiment" but since I got my Surface Pro I've rarely used it. I can do so much more on a Surface, either as a laptop or as a tablet. I wish I could do the same on my iPad because I like it a lot. The hardware is awesome but the software is really lacking.
Kind of funny because I'm the opposite - once I got my iPad Pro I barely used my Surface Pro 3.
I think the whole iPad Pro lineup was a failed experiment. iPad Pros supposedly make up 1/3 of total iPad sales. That's why they're introducing a low cost option this year, likely to act as a replacement for the iPad Air 2. And maybe they'll update the mini as well. The first issue is the cost, and the second issue is the software. Something like the Surface Pro is a much better option for a PC replacement. For me, the 12.9" iPad Pro does not have the same use case as the 9.7" or 7.9" because of the size.
They are trying to push the 12.9" as a PC replacement, while I think the majority of people who that's true for:
a) Are not willing to spend that much on an iPad.
b) Would probably go for the 9.7" since the reason it can replace a PC is because it's more convenient and versatile (+ has a simpler UI).
c) Have probably already done it, as the iPad has always been able to replace a PC as their primary computer.
Of course that's not true for everyone but I think for the most people that's the case. But Apple are pushing the iPad Pro as a replacement for 'Pro' users and students, where it really can't be considered a replacement in most cases. And almost all of those people don't care meaning they are wasting resources marketing it to the wrong people.
They are trying to push the 12.9" as a PC replacement, while I think the majority of people who that's true for:
a) Are not willing to spend that much on an iPad.
b) Would probably go for the 9.7" since the reason it can replace a PC is because it's more convenient and versatile (+ has a simpler UI).
c) Have probably already done it, as the iPad has always been able to replace a PC as their primary computer.
Of course that's not true for everyone but I think for the most people that's the case. But Apple are pushing the iPad Pro as a replacement for 'Pro' users and students, where it really can't be considered a replacement in most cases. And almost all of those people don't care meaning they are wasting resources marketing it to the wrong people.
My wife uses a 12.9" while I use a 9.7" pro. We share an iPad mini 4.
It's funny because the screen size affects the way we use the iPads.
My wife uses the 12.9" mainly as a laptop replacement. She can do almost everything with it and she rarely uses her ageing MacBook Air. I've used it before and the screen size is awesome if you are using it desk-bound.
My 9.7" is a compliment to my 12" MacBook. Unfortunately, my work requires Mac OS to some degree so the 9.7" has become a companion device. In this regard, the size is a sweet spot for portability when using it as a companion device. A larger screen size isn't needed because your laptop will already feature a larger screen size when you need it. Yet, it isn't too small to impact productivity. I use duet display too, so I can have a portable second screen. The size and weight doesn't add too much additional bulk. Sure, the 12.9 could be a viable companion device, but the added bulk turns me off a little.
The iPad Mini on the other hand, is rarely used for work related stuff, perhaps other than sending an occasional email or organising schedules. It's however, the best device if you are constantly moving about (whether at home or outside) and prefer a larger screen to an iPhone. It's funny but I use the iPad Mini the most when I am at home.
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Oh, and I previously used a Surface Pro 4. It's a great laptop... but I had a two really bad experiences with it. Firstly, the App selection dedicated to touch was really bad (at the time). Using it as a tablet was rather frustrating compared to using an iPad. I ended up using it as a laptop virtually all the time. I figured that I might as well used a proper laptop and so I sold it to buy a MacBook and never looked back. The second issue I had with it was the battery life was really bad (4 - 5 hours even after throttling the CPU).
I love the retina MacBook + 9.7" iPad Pro combo. If however, I needed a laptop with much more power (I do some AutoCAD, but I do this on a desktop at the moment), I'd probably choose the Surface Book over the MacBook Pro 15". That's another discussion though.
It's funny because the screen size affects the way we use the iPads.
My wife uses the 12.9" mainly as a laptop replacement. She can do almost everything with it and she rarely uses her ageing MacBook Air. I've used it before and the screen size is awesome if you are using it desk-bound.
My 9.7" is a compliment to my 12" MacBook. Unfortunately, my work requires Mac OS to some degree so the 9.7" has become a companion device. In this regard, the size is a sweet spot for portability when using it as a companion device. A larger screen size isn't needed because your laptop will already feature a larger screen size when you need it. Yet, it isn't too small to impact productivity. I use duet display too, so I can have a portable second screen. The size and weight doesn't add too much additional bulk. Sure, the 12.9 could be a viable companion device, but the added bulk turns me off a little.
The iPad Mini on the other hand, is rarely used for work related stuff, perhaps other than sending an occasional email or organising schedules. It's however, the best device if you are constantly moving about (whether at home or outside) and prefer a larger screen to an iPhone. It's funny but I use the iPad Mini the most when I am at home.
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Oh, and I previously used a Surface Pro 4. It's a great laptop... but I had a two really bad experiences with it. Firstly, the App selection dedicated to touch was really bad (at the time). Using it as a tablet was rather frustrating compared to using an iPad. I ended up using it as a laptop virtually all the time. I figured that I might as well used a proper laptop and so I sold it to buy a MacBook and never looked back. The second issue I had with it was the battery life was really bad (4 - 5 hours even after throttling the CPU).
I love the retina MacBook + 9.7" iPad Pro combo. If however, I needed a laptop with much more power (I do some AutoCAD, but I do this on a desktop at the moment), I'd probably choose the Surface Book over the MacBook Pro 15". That's another discussion though.
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THIS!
The iPad Pro 12.9 hardware is amazing. I just LOVE this thing! However, it is severly limited/underutilized by an OS that was originally conceived for phones. As I have said many times, the iPad Pro needs iOS Pro to reach its full potential.
The Surface Pro is a far more flexible device, as it allows you to use full desktop software and OS capacity on the go. It is a real laptop replacement. The iPad Pro is not.
First of all, iOS is a MOBILE operating system, NOT a phone OS.
Second, your "Pro" problem lies in apps, not the OS.
Third, Surface IS a laptop, not a laptop replacement.
i think iOS11 will be only 64 bit, and they can make some big improv with that and that new file system..we need some even easy access files, i hope now,after they introduced multiple user accounts into education, i hope Apple will make this main stream, at leas for ipad,since iphone is kind of one person device
Incorrect on all 3 points:
1) iOS was conceived (and first released) for the iPhone. Period. Years later, the iPad simply inherited it.
2) incorrect again: no app can grant me file access if the OS doesnt allow it. No app can grant me mouse support if the OS doesnt allow it. Etc. The only way is to voilate Apple's terms and conditions and jailbreak the device.
3) and again, you are wrong: the surface is not a laptop but a hybrid: a tablet with an optional strap-on keyboard. Basically, what the iPad Pro is, so they pretty much swim in the same waters.