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I thought the Verge's review was spot on! I still think iOS is very limiting, and if you look at the bigger picture, there really isnt much the new iPP's can do that the older generations couldn't handle. The newer generations improve on the old one's for sure with USB C and the Apple Pencil charging, but all in all its still the same functionality as last years iPads.

I was highly hoping to get a new one to be my main device, but he's right in that I shouldnt have to find a workaround to make this work for me. The capabilities should be there already for a cost more than a macbook pro. Hopefully iOS 13 will make some headway and the huge hardware upgrade will pull in some more development. Where is Final Cut Pro for iOS?

I agree. I wish iOS for the iPad could do so much more. It feels like it should but mostly it's a nicer & bigger phone. I mean, I like it but there are so many times I would rather bring the iPad with me and then I start thinking "oh wait, doing abc is going to take me 5 minutes longer and then xyz ... oh man forget it".
 
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Btw I'm annoyed by how superficial 99% of the Apple product reviews are. The vast majority doesn't give a single piece of information that's not readily available at Apple's website. Basically, most of them are glorified unboxing and first impression videos. What I need is benchmarks and real life comparisons to other similar products. Not just adjectives like "great" screen, "fast" performance, "nice" materials.
 
I thought The Verge’s review was great, as usual. I’m sure the ultra-Apple loyalist won’t like it because it was critical at times, but nothing about it was unfair or inaccurate. There are many limitations and in a 1,000 or 2,000 dollar device, that really shouldn’t happen.
 
I will never take an Apple product review from Nilay Patel seriously. There are plenty of other writers/reviewers at The Verge that I think do perfectly acceptable reviews, but Nilay just really doesn't like Apple, and if you're going to have your biggest Apple hater review most of their new products, then I don't think you're going to produce a fair-handed review. I always think back to his original Apple Watch review where he dinged the Milanese Loop band because it "looks stupid" and was literally wearing one of those metal studded leather cuffs that metal heads wear while filming the review.
 
I will never take an Apple product review from Nilay Patel seriously. There are plenty of other writers/reviewers at The Verge that I think do perfectly acceptable reviews, but Nilay just really doesn't like Apple, and if you're going to have your biggest Apple hater review most of their new products, then I don't think you're going to produce a fair-handed review. I always think back to his original Apple Watch review where he dinged the Milanese Loop band because it "looks stupid" and was literally wearing one of those metal studded leather cuffs that metal heads wear while filming the review.
Sorry but you sound like one of those people who thinks anyone who is ever critical of Apple has a personal vandetta against them.
 
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Sorry but you sound like one of those people who thinks anyone who is ever critical of Apple has a personal vandetta against them.
Sorry, but read. I don't mind criticism of Apple at all. It's necessary. But I don't like Patel's Apple reviews, because I always know they're not going to be favorable whether the product is good or not. There are plenty of other writers at The Verge who manage to criticize Apple where it's due, but also look at the whole package and make a fair assessment. Dinging it for every USB-C accessory not being compatible or functional right out of the box is a very Nilay Patel type of thing to complain about, and I knew he'd do it, because at his preview at the launch event he said he was going to plug every USB-C device he had into it to see what happens.
 
Sorry, but read. I don't mind criticism of Apple at all. It's necessary. But I don't like Patel's Apple reviews, because I always know they're not going to be favorable whether the product is good or not. There are plenty of other writers at The Verge who manage to criticize Apple where it's due, but also look at the whole package and make a fair assessment. Dinging it for every USB-C accessory not being compatible or functional right out of the box is a very Nilay Patel type of thing to complain about, and I knew he'd do it, because at his preview at the launch event he said he was going to plug every USB-C device he had into it to see what happens.
It's funny because the Verge used to be considered pro Apple and Patel is the editor-in-chief. He does make some valid points in his review but he is also obsessed with some things. He keeps mentioning the price for example without making it clear that just because his review device costs $1900 dollars it doesn't mean it starts from that price tag. What's even funnier is that after complaining about the price/features ratio multiple times he ends up saying "well if you are willing to pay $2000 for an iPad you know what you are going for but think twice when going for the $799 model". That statement doesn't make any logical sense.
 
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I will never take an Apple product review from Nilay Patel seriously. There are plenty of other writers/reviewers at The Verge that I think do perfectly acceptable reviews, but Nilay just really doesn't like Apple, and if you're going to have your biggest Apple hater review most of their new products, then I don't think you're going to produce a fair-handed review. I always think back to his original Apple Watch review where he dinged the Milanese Loop band because it "looks stupid" and was literally wearing one of those metal studded leather cuffs that metal heads wear while filming the review.
You sound like you just don't like people who are critical of Apple in any way...and I'll assume you're a big fan of Rene Ritchie.

Nilay is much more fair than a lot of reviewers out there. He tends to have a real world view of everything. Is he perfect, no. But at least he doesn't say he hates plastic phones but as soon as the 5C comes out he changes his tune and says 'it feels nice and better than other plastics".

He tends to knock Apple for things they need to be knocked for. Apple tries to sell the iPad Pro as a laptop replacement and Nilay will challenge that with basic things a laptop replacement should do.
 
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You sound like you just don't like people who are critical of Apple in any way...and I'll assume you're a big fan of Rene Ritchie.

Nilay is much more fair than a lot of reviewers out there. He tends to have a real world view of everything. Is he perfect, no. But at least he doesn't say he hates plastic phones but as soon as the 5C comes out he changes his tune and says 'it feels nice and better than other plastics".

He tends to knock Apple for things they need to be knocked for. Apple tries to sell the iPad Pro as a laptop replacement and Nilay will challenge that with basic things a laptop replacement should do.
Go ahead and assume whatever you want--I don't recall ever mentioning that I'm a fan or Rene Ritchie or not. I don't take a lot of Rene's reviews seriously either.
 
It's funny because the Verge used to be considered pro Apple and Patel is the editor-in-chief. He does make some valid points in his review but he is also obsessed with some things. He keeps mentioning the price for example without making it clear that just because his review device costs $1900 dollars it doesn't mean it starts from that price tag. What's even funnier is that after complaining about the price/features ratio multiple times he ends up saying "well if you are willing to pay $2000 for an iPad you know what you are going for but think twice when going for the $799 model". That statement doesn't make any logical sense.
TBH, it's a bit of a fair point in terms of pricing. Apple has a weird pricing scheme that is definitely aimed towards extracting every dollar value out of the consumer. For example, there's no way a $1000 phone should start off with 64GB but Apple wants you to pay $150 more for the next tear that most people would probably need. Like, Apple's starting price point is near the too much line but right under it. Then suddenly the pricing goes significantly up.
 
It's funny because the Verge used to be considered pro Apple and Patel is the editor-in-chief. He does make some valid points in his review but he is also obsessed with some things. He keeps mentioning the price for example without making it clear that just because his review device costs $1900 dollars it doesn't mean it starts from that price tag. What's even funnier is that after complaining about the price/features ratio multiple times he ends up saying "well if you are willing to pay $2000 for an iPad you know what you are going for but think twice when going for the $799 model". That statement doesn't make any logical sense.
That's another thing--every review mentions that the highest end, fully loaded, maxed out iPad costs $2000. What does the highest end, maxed out, fully loaded Macbook pro cost?
 
That's another thing--every review mentions that the highest end, fully loaded, maxed out iPad costs $2000. What does the highest end, maxed out, fully loaded Macbook pro cost?
The difference is that a full loaded Macbook Pro is more than likely for professionals making movies, music, running servers, etc. Something that the iPad can't necessarily do well yet. I can do hell of a lot more with a base Macbook Pro 15'' than I can with an iPad Pro spec'd out.
 
TBH, it's a bit of a fair point in terms of pricing. Apple has a weird pricing scheme that is definitely aimed towards extracting every dollar value out of the consumer. For example, there's no way a $1000 phone should start off with 64GB but Apple wants you to pay $150 more for the next tear that most people would probably need. Like, Apple's starting price point is near the too much line but right under it. Then suddenly the pricing goes significantly up.
I'm not arguing whether price should be considered when you review a product. I'm just noting that this particular reviewer basically makes it sound like there is no cheaper option other than the $1900 model. And in the end, when he tries to sum up the price options (and after arguing essentially against people paying as much for an iPad instead of laptop), he says that if you have made up your mind for the $2000 option then it means it's a good option for you but people that are aiming for the $799 option should be cautious (not because of it's storage but because of the iOS capabilities). It doesn't make any sense.
 
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I'm not arguing whether price should be considered when you review a product. I'm just noting that this particular reviewer basically makes it sound like there is no cheaper option other than the $1900 model. And in the end, when he tries to sum up the price options (and after arguing essentially against people paying as much for an iPad instead of laptop), he says that if you have made up your mind for the $2000 option then it means it's a good option for you but people that are aiming for the $799 option should be cautious (not because of it's storage but because of the iOS capabilities). It doesn't make any sense.
Which is fair. To me, I think the iPad more or less starts at $950 because I'm not sure a lot of Pro users would be happy with just 64GB.
 
Sorry, but read. I don't mind criticism of Apple at all. It's necessary. But I don't like Patel's Apple reviews, because I always know they're not going to be favorable whether the product is good or not. There are plenty of other writers at The Verge who manage to criticize Apple where it's due, but also look at the whole package and make a fair assessment. Dinging it for every USB-C accessory not being compatible or functional right out of the box is a very Nilay Patel type of thing to complain about, and I knew he'd do it, because at his preview at the launch event he said he was going to plug every USB-C device he had into it to see what happens.
He was mostly dinging it for not being able to use an external drive or open files directly in apps. Seem like perfectly valid critiques to me.
 
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Which is fair. To me, I think the iPad more or less starts at $950 because I'm not sure a lot of Pro users would be happy with just 64GB.
I podcast, create art, create documents, write music, play games, and various other things with my iPad Pro, and on my 10.5" model I only used 32 GB of the 64 available. That's including the space the OS took up. So I do think it depends on the user. When I bought my XS Max, I downgraded from the fully maxed out storage on the X to the lowest storage on the XS Max for the exact same reason--I was only using around 32 GB of raw hard drive space.

Others' mileage may vary, but for me, even for a lot of my "power user" use cases, I just don't need that much hard drive.
 
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He was mostly dinging it for not being able to use an external drive or open files directly in apps. Seem like perfectly valid critiques to me.
Yeah, that's the thing for me. Even a lot of basic users will need to use an external hard drive. Adding USBC definitely adds a new level of expectations than when there was just a lightning port.
 
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