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It's nice just for once to read something that isn't absolutely fawning over a product due to fear of being blackballed by Apple.

I'm due to replace my Air 2 just because, and the Pro would be the replacement. But for my needs as basically a portrait mode browser and nothing more, the new Pro (or any iPad) just doesn't bring anything new to the table. $800 later I'll just be browsing MR again, same as I am now on my Air 2...I'll be excited about it for a few hours but then it will just be business as usual, but I'll be $800 poorer.
 
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It's nice just for once to read something that isn't absolutely fawning over a product due to fear of being blackballed by Apple.

I'm due to replace my Air 2 just because, and the Pro would be the replacement. But for my needs as basically a portrait mode browser and nothing more, the new Pro (or any iPad) just doesn't bring anything new to the table. $800 later I'll just be browsing MR again, same as I am now on my Air 2...I'll be excited about it for a few hours but then it will just be business as usual, but I'll be $800 poorer.
I have a 10.5” iPad Pro and assuming I get $500 for it then I would still have to fork out another $1300 to get 2 more GB of RAM,2 more GPS Satelites and a faster processor. At the moment I don’t have anything I needed tackled with my iPad Pro which my current processor could not handle. I would like to be able to sync faster also between my MacBook Pro and iPad but it will cost me the price of a new laptop to sync just a little faster.
 
This review is stupid. And it’s not because it isn’t a glowing review of the device. Reading through the review you get the impression he doesn’t know the first thing about iPad and had never used one before. So why did he buy it? Obviously his Mac was working for him. Most of these reviews are frustrating. They’re all this cant replace my laptop but very few give reasons why they want or need to replace their laptop.

And then you have podcasts like ATP where John and Marco go out of their way to find faults. For example, when they were discussing the new pencil John points out that people who were using rubber grips with their Pencil won’t be able to any more because of the way the pencil charges. And Marco said he asked Apple how much thickness could be added to the Pencil and still have it charge and they said “not much”. Seriously?!? The 2nd generation Pencil is better in every possible way but you’re complaining because some people you know who use rubber grips with the Pencil might not be able to do so any more (or will have to take them off when charging the Pencil)?!? And they throw it out there as a criticism but don’t offer any suggestions on how they would have solved for it (if it even needs solving). Also the Pencil has a new design and a matte finish now so maybe rubber grips won’t be necessary any more? Maybe these folks should use the Pencil for a while and see if they still need one? Another example is the black bar padding for apps that haven’t yet been updated to accommodate the home indicator. If you have two apps in split view and one hasn’t been updated both apps get the padding. Obviously it’s done for consistency. It would look really strange if one app had the padding and the other didn’t. Again it’s like a criticism but no suggestion or opinion on what Apple should have done differently. Now I’m not suggesting the ATP guys should be solving Apple’s design/engineering problems. But are these even problems? Or is this picking nits for the sake of it?
 
This review is stupid. And it’s not because it isn’t a glowing review of the device. Reading through the review you get the impression he doesn’t know the first thing about iPad and had never used one before. So why did he buy it? Obviously his Mac was working for him. Most of these reviews are frustrating. They’re all this cant replace my laptop but very few give reasons why they want or need to replace their laptop.

And then you have podcasts like ATP where John and Marco go out of their way to find faults. For example, when they were discussing the new pencil John points out that people who were using rubber grips with their Pencil won’t be able to any more because of the way the pencil charges. And Marco said he asked Apple how much thickness could be added to the Pencil and still have it charge and they said “not much”. Seriously?!? The 2nd generation Pencil is better in every possible way but you’re complaining because some people you know who use rubber grips with the Pencil might not be able to do so any more (or will have to take them off when charging the Pencil)?!? And they throw it out there as a criticism but don’t offer any suggestions on how they would have solved for it (if it even needs solving). Also the Pencil has a new design and a matte finish now so maybe rubber grips won’t be necessary any more? Maybe these folks should use the Pencil for a while and see if they still need one? Another example is the black bar padding for apps that haven’t yet been updated to accommodate the home indicator. If you have two apps in split view and one hasn’t been updated both apps get the padding. Obviously it’s done for consistency. It would look really strange if one app had the padding and the other didn’t. Again it’s like a criticism but no suggestion or opinion on what Apple should have done differently. Now I’m not suggesting the ATP guys should be solving Apple’s design/engineering problems. But are these even problems? Or is this picking nits for the sake of it?

These days most people need a smartphone and laptop. The iPhone and MacBook pretty much cover those two quite well. Those that like and love Apple products (like me) try to find a reason to justify buying another product from Apple. When and if affordable they are willing to try one out but if costs the same price as a laptop and find reasons that it does less then they may feel disappointed after spending so much money on a device that they feel does not help them accomplish anything that they could not accomplish with their iPhone and laptop before the purchase of such an expensive device. Again, this depends on what they need it for and how much extra cash they got to burn or how wealthy they are. If money is not an issue the iPad Pro is a great device to add to their Apple line of collections.
 
I had to return my model and wanted to try a swap for the same thing, but darn... everything expect the 64GB were gone and the other models wouldn't arrive until November 27 to December 4th or 11th. Plus I'm super impatient and actually need this before then to edit and process photos from my photo-shoots, so this made me think for a minute and about long term, and just realistically ...because I own a few businesses that all have to do with tech repair, High end photography, digital art, traditional and digital photo/art editing, freelance photography, freelance storyboarding/animation/concept-art/character design, then I am always rendering my 4K fun videos and then the videography I film... annnnd, pretty much everything else an iPad can possibly be used for. lol

I went back and forth but decided to upgrade to the 512GB since this will be my main computer, and used for everything else for about 2-years...
I say 2-years as Apple won't (or shouldn't) update next year, but should at the 10th anniversary in March-April 2020.
But wow, I'm super stressed about the whole replacement game (hoping for good screen quality, sound, etc, etc) so I'm really crossing my fingers and will knock on wood that the QC, sound, color, and screen are uniform with little to no light bleed (like my just returned 256GB model had.) *please tech gods... allow this expensive iPad to be well made. *eek
Random text over, sorry. lol


Kallum.
 
I had to return my model and wanted to try a swap for the same thing, but darn... everything expect the 64GB were gone and the other models wouldn't arrive until November 27 to December 4th or 11th. Plus I'm super impatient and actually need this before then to edit and process photos from my photo-shoots, so this made me think for a minute and about long term, and just realistically ...because I own a few businesses that all have to do with tech repair, High end photography, digital art, traditional and digital photo/art editing, freelance photography, freelance storyboarding/animation/concept-art/character design, then I am always rendering my 4K fun videos and then the videography I film... annnnd, pretty much everything else an iPad can possibly be used for. lol

I went back and forth but decided to upgrade to the 512GB since this will be my main computer, and used for everything else for about 2-years...
I say 2-years as Apple won't (or shouldn't) update next year, but should at the 10th anniversary in March-April 2020.
But wow, I'm super stressed about the whole replacement game (hoping for good screen quality, sound, etc, etc) so I'm really crossing my fingers and will knock on wood that the QC, sound, color, and screen are uniform with little to no light bleed (like my just returned 256GB model had.) *please tech gods... allow this expensive iPad to be well made. *eek
Random text over, sorry. lol


Kallum.

You dont think lack of headphone jack, port conversion (lighting to usb-c) and new authentication (Touch ID to Face ID) all in one generation will be irritating in some capacity?

Seems like a lot of change at once, on top of the price hike, while still being a very similar experience overall to previous iPads just trimmed bezels and boxy edges

I actually use my iPads wired as a break from pairing AirPods (which are usually bound to my iphone),
Not sure how I feel about FaceID on tablet yet
And not a HUGE fan of usb-c as the port bc i have a million lightning cables, though I can always use my MBP/Nintendo switch chargers and I dont use iPad for anything productive or production related

Fingers crossed you get a good unit, as you deserve for the money these iPads command
 
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I’m glad you enjoy our reviews. My review is live now here:

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Good review, but the LTE upgrade is now $149, not $129. Every component of the iPad ecosystem increased in price this generation.
 
The 12.9" iPad Pro I tested at the Apple Store today exhibited a problem that the 11" unit did not. Using the new Apple Pencil to make handwritten notes in Notes, I noticed that toward the top of the screen the tip of the pencil felt like it gripped the screen nicely, but as I got to the middle of the screen and also toward the bottom the pencil seemed to glide more--to the point that it felt not just more fluid but downright loose. Anybody else experience that problem? It did not happen on the 11" model.
 
I’m still pretty upset that you cannot open two Word documents side by side in 2018. That is a pretty basic need for ‘professionals’. I love my iPad Por 9.7 inch, but there really is no reason for me to upgrade. I’m finding this with a lot of my friends and colleagues too. I actually do have to rely on my iPad more than my MacBook Pro 2016 because that thing is a unreliable and going back for its third repair.
 
Cannot see any point in bying this. It does basically the same as any other iPads and the 11” has huge bezels compared to the screen size.

- still not multiple windows of the same app
- still no mouse support with free choice of mouse for us working from home sometimes through VPN/Remote desktop
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This review is stupid. And it’s not because it isn’t a glowing review of the device. Reading through the review you get the impression he doesn’t know the first thing about iPad and had never used one before. So why did he buy it? Obviously his Mac was working for him. Most of these reviews are frustrating. They’re all this cant replace my laptop but very few give reasons why they want or need to replace their laptop.

And then you have podcasts like ATP where John and Marco go out of their way to find faults. For example, when they were discussing the new pencil John points out that people who were using rubber grips with their Pencil won’t be able to any more because of the way the pencil charges. And Marco said he asked Apple how much thickness could be added to the Pencil and still have it charge and they said “not much”. Seriously?!? The 2nd generation Pencil is better in every possible way but you’re complaining because some people you know who use rubber grips with the Pencil might not be able to do so any more (or will have to take them off when charging the Pencil)?!? And they throw it out there as a criticism but don’t offer any suggestions on how they would have solved for it (if it even needs solving). Also the Pencil has a new design and a matte finish now so maybe rubber grips won’t be necessary any more? Maybe these folks should use the Pencil for a while and see if they still need one? Another example is the black bar padding for apps that haven’t yet been updated to accommodate the home indicator. If you have two apps in split view and one hasn’t been updated both apps get the padding. Obviously it’s done for consistency. It would look really strange if one app had the padding and the other didn’t. Again it’s like a criticism but no suggestion or opinion on what Apple should have done differently. Now I’m not suggesting the ATP guys should be solving Apple’s design/engineering problems. But are these even problems? Or is this picking nits for the sake of it?

That review is spot on and probably the best piece written on the web about it.

Why not just buy a mac? Because the iPad with a few functions and a trackpad could be even better. So there is some wishful thinking and love for the iPad in some negatives on it.
 
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The 12.9" iPad Pro I tested at the Apple Store today exhibited a problem that the 11" unit did not. Using the new Apple Pencil to make handwritten notes in Notes, I noticed that toward the top of the screen the tip of the pencil felt like it gripped the screen nicely, but as I got to the middle of the screen and also toward the bottom the pencil seemed to glide more--to the point that it felt not just more fluid but downright loose. Anybody else experience that problem? It did not happen on the 11" model.

I think the middle and bottom of the screen is more oily from usage, thus, the pencil glides more loosely in those areas. The 12.9 is quite large I imagine there is less interaction on top of the screen than the middle and bottom. When I first got the new iPad, the pencil grips the screen nicely. However, as I use the iPad more, the natural oils from my fingers are all over the screen, which may be causing the pencil to glide more loosely.
 
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Good review, but the LTE upgrade is now $149, not $129. Every component of the iPad ecosystem increased in price this generation.
It is infuriating because it should have gone down, not up, way down in fact.
Has the tech changed significantly since the first LTE iPad was released (iPad 3)?
We are talking about an antenna and a $2 modem.
 
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It is infuriating because it should have gone down, not up, way down in fact.
Has the tech changed significantly since the first LTE iPad was released (iPad 3)?
We are talking about an antenna and a $2 modem.
Inflation effects accumulate over time. Apple uses to keep prices stable over a certain period of time, so when the time for a price increase has come, it is naturally a bigger step compared to continuously adjust prices.

And of course LTE tech has improved, e.g. in terms of supported radio bands, speed etc. Yes, productivity/efficiency improvements should work against it, but without having insight into the calculations of Apple and/or their suppliers, it’s difficult to judge if (or to what extent) the price increase is justified or not.
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You dont think lack of headphone jack, port conversion (lighting to usb-c) and new authentication (Touch ID to Face ID) all in one generation will be irritating in some capacity?

Seems like a lot of change at once
Apple changes a lot between generations —> Outcry: “Oh this is so confusing and irritating, I have to adjust to soooo many new things ...”

Apple changes only minor things —> Outcry: “Apple has lost it - no innovations anymore, their products are stale ...”

Can’t satisfy everyone, I guess ... :rolleyes:
 
This review is stupid. And it’s not because it isn’t a glowing review of the device. Reading through the review you get the impression he doesn’t know the first thing about iPad and had never used one before. So why did he buy it? Obviously his Mac was working for him. Most of these reviews are frustrating. They’re all this cant replace my laptop but very few give reasons why they want or need to replace their laptop.

And then you have podcasts like ATP where John and Marco go out of their way to find faults. For example, when they were discussing the new pencil John points out that people who were using rubber grips with their Pencil won’t be able to any more because of the way the pencil charges. And Marco said he asked Apple how much thickness could be added to the Pencil and still have it charge and they said “not much”. Seriously?!? The 2nd generation Pencil is better in every possible way but you’re complaining because some people you know who use rubber grips with the Pencil might not be able to do so any more (or will have to take them off when charging the Pencil)?!? And they throw it out there as a criticism but don’t offer any suggestions on how they would have solved for it (if it even needs solving). Also the Pencil has a new design and a matte finish now so maybe rubber grips won’t be necessary any more? Maybe these folks should use the Pencil for a while and see if they still need one? Another example is the black bar padding for apps that haven’t yet been updated to accommodate the home indicator. If you have two apps in split view and one hasn’t been updated both apps get the padding. Obviously it’s done for consistency. It would look really strange if one app had the padding and the other didn’t. Again it’s like a criticism but no suggestion or opinion on what Apple should have done differently. Now I’m not suggesting the ATP guys should be solving Apple’s design/engineering problems. But are these even problems? Or is this picking nits for the sake of it?

All true but methinks you miss the point: it is software limited, not really hardware limited. While I may not agree with everything in that review, it does hold a good bit of truth in it.
 
You dont think lack of headphone jack, port conversion (lighting to usb-c) and new authentication (Touch ID to Face ID) all in one generation will be irritating in some capacity?

Seems like a lot of change at once, on top of the price hike, while still being a very similar experience overall to previous iPads just trimmed bezels and boxy edges

I actually use my iPads wired as a break from pairing AirPods (which are usually bound to my iphone),
Not sure how I feel about FaceID on tablet yet
And not a HUGE fan of usb-c as the port bc i have a million lightning cables, though I can always use my MBP/Nintendo switch chargers and I dont use iPad for anything productive or production related

Fingers crossed you get a good unit, as you deserve for the money these iPads command

I actually like using the speakers on the iPad when I'm working; USB-C is a bit of a pain due to mixed cables at this point but I'm hoping that clears up over the next iPhone release. Face ID is wickedly good on the iPad (much more so than the iPhone) so huge improvement there...
 
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