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It is 100% software at this point. The M1 is dramatic overkill for everything I currently do on my iPad - on my M1 iMac I was running my full development workflow in MacOS - Xcode, slack, safari, mail, messages, reminders, overcast with zero issues...on 8GB of RAM. The screen on the 12.9" is incredible. Apple Pencil is incredible.

I guess the one hardware thing for me would be an 11" with Mini-LED and M2, and moving the camera to the landscape orientation.

Other than that, software only. I want to be able to see apps with running background tasks (Downloads, processing, etc), terminal access, actual debugging for swift playgrounds. Better widgets. More control over Home Screen layouts. And most importantly - proper external display support. What is the point of having thunderbolt 4 on an iPad if you can't dock it and use it with keyboard/mouse/display.
 
One major improvement would be: allow apps on iPad to use the camera while on background!

Everytime I’m in a work-related Microsoft Teams-call, the camera shuts off when switching to another app - because other stuff is more interesting than the meeting. iPad OS only allows apps on screen to access the camera.

This means I have to listen to what my co-workers say, and to look at them. That cannot be the goal of videomeetings.
 
Honestly? Nothing. The hardware is so far ahead of the software, I cannot even begin to think of what they would add that would make me upgrade.
 
At least a 15'' or 16'' screen version.

If no bigger screen size increase then:

- iPadOS 16 must be more pro or at least way more pro apps including Apple's own.

- And/ or some sort of hybrid OS function that allows either to run full MacOS alongside iPadOS or a hybrid app functionality that allows to run full MacOS apps on iPad's sans touch-functionality obviously but mouse/ trackpad.

- Full external monitor support for iPadOS and its apps. The 4:3 with black bars on the side is a joke.

- Hopefully 2 USB-C Thunderbolt ports.

- Real OLED without the stupid blooming effect.

I could think of more but these are the main ones.

Until at least 1-2 of these points is available I will stick happily with my M1 iPad Pro.
 
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I purchased the 2021 iPad Pro 12.9" for photo editing use, and school use. I had hopes that with the M1 it meant iPadOS was about to get a major improvement like many had hoped. I agree that iPADOS is limited but so are the software companies. A lot is doable, I mean look at LumaFusion and Affinity Photo. Those are awesome apps.

To answer the question of what would make me upgrade even with such a new iPAD: 2 Thunderbolt ports (it is doable), relocate the front camera to landscape (I hate team calls and I am not looking at everyone). Lastly, I can never argue with more battery life.
 
One major improvement would be: allow apps on iPad to use the camera while on background!

Everytime I’m in a work-related Microsoft Teams-call, the camera shuts off when switching to another app - because other stuff is more interesting than the meeting. iPad OS only allows apps on screen to access the camera.

This means I have to listen to what my co-workers say, and to look at them. That cannot be the goal of videomeetings.
Have you tried having Teams in Slide Over and use the app behind it? This works for Google Meet - not used MS Teams yet.
 
As much as I love shiny new gadgets my 2018 Pro is still performing like a champ. It would have to be something pretty spectacular (assuming my battery life remains good).
 
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Yeah oddly this works ok for some but not Teams - its annoying!
I tried split screen and even that didn’t work. Camera shuts down when selecting the second app. That’s ridiculous - Teams is being actively displayed on screen, so I don’t see what’s the problem.
This is exactly the kind of limitations that you don’t come across on a MacBook, and which make an iPad still flawed as a true replacement for you computer.
 
I tried split screen and even that didn’t work. Camera shuts down when selecting the second app. That’s ridiculous - Teams is being actively displayed on screen, so I don’t see what’s the problem.
This is exactly the kind of limitations that you don’t come across on a MacBook, and which make an iPad still flawed as a true replacement for you computer.
That's the software not hardware. I use Google Meet and stay on camera with split screen or Slide Over and can use other apps while on the call.
 
That's the software not hardware. I use Google Meet and stay on camera with split screen or Slide Over and can use other apps while on the call.
I’ll have to complain to Microsoft then.

That being said: from what I’m reading you’re also not able to move Google Meet completely to the background, while accessing other apps, with the camera remaining active.

That’s something that‘s not a problem on Mac OS (or Windows). And it’s the kind of limitations on iPad (caused by software, off course) that bother me.
 
Oled is the only hardware upgrade at this point for me, since it’s biggest use is media consumption given the software ?

Anything else would be software related. Otherwise I’ll just stick with my 2018 for as long as I possibly can.
 
Honestly, if iPadOS 16 doesn't get some sort of M1 specific feature or the 11 inch doesn't get miniLED (really want miniLED but don't want an iPad as big as the 12.9), I probably will just keep on using my 2018 11 inch, it's crazy that it's over 3 years old and isn't showing its age at all.
 
The more I read this thread, the more I realise that buying the 12.9" iPad Pro is complete overkill for my needs. D o I regret it? Definitely not! ;):apple:
 
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For me it would mean a desktop mode when connected to an external display, leaving the tablet still usable with the regular iPadOS. Personally I don't care about a desktop mode on the tablet itself but I know some people do.
 
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There’s not going to be a 2022 iPad Pro. Perhaps an early (Late Q1) 2023 iPad Pro, but not a 2022. IF there is, it will still be M1, because Apple won’t have sufficient M2 SoCs to include in the Pro this year. Also, if they move to 12” and 14” models, I would think they want to wait until next and introduce those new sizes with an M2, not the M1, because they just moved the M1 to the iPad Air and keeping the “Pro” on M1 would have terrible optics. Just my 2¢.
I love how you just spout off a bunch of unfounded nonsense, with no evidence to back it up other than your own suspicions, and then state it as if it’s fact.

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For those with 2015, 2017 iPP, an M2 will be quite nice upgrade. What Apple do not need is delays of new M SoC - if so we are back to Intels days. They need to deliver the M2 this year just as they need to deliver A16 or whatever number of A SoC they are at.
 
For those with 2015, 2017 iPP, an M2 will be quite nice upgrade. What Apple do not need is delays of new M SoC - if so we are back to Intels days. They need to deliver the M2 this year just as they need to deliver A16 or whatever number of A SoC they are at.
And what do you think the M2 is going to do for the iPad without a more powerful OS or apps?
 
I love how you just spout off a bunch of unfounded nonsense, with no evidence to back it up other than your own suspicions, and then state it as if it’s fact.
Evidence

Fact - Apple built the iPad Air 4/5 to look just like the iPad Pro 11” right down to a very similar sized screen. Inevitable? Maybe. But Apple could have left the iPad Air at 10.5” and old ID for one more Gen, but didn’t.

Fact - Apple just moved the iPad Air to an M1 SoC, making room for the M2 in the iPad Pro at some point. In essence, making the Air the heir to the 11” iPad Pro.

Fact - The 11” iPad Pro did not and has not received a mini-LED screen, meaning that common sense says Apple was not convinced it was worth the time, effort and expense.

Fact - Virtually no one is complaining about the M1 power in the iPad Pro, but there are lots of complaints about iPadOS.

Fact - The current iPad is 3 generations old with the same sizes and industrial design. That coupled with the size rumors lead me to a leap that Apple would size down the larger iPad Pro and introduce the larger iPad Pro, moving things upmarket more…again. :\

Rumor - Apple is looking at a larger version of the iPad than the current iPad Pro 12.9”

Fact/Rumor - The M2 has not shipped and is rumored not to until Q4. I believe they won’t have enough supply for both Macs and iPads at the same time and the M1 iPads came later anyways.

Rumor - I read a small passing rumor about a 12” iPad Pro being tested/worked on on AppleInsider a while ago. Might have been a typo, might not.

End evidence

I’m not stating that this is what will absolutely happen. I’ve been wrong quite a few times. However, this is a classic Apple feint and distraction with cannibalization of a higher end product. Everyone seems to be expecting an 11”, 12.9” and a ~14.8” iPad Pros with M2 and I don’t think Apple wants more than two iPad Pro sizes on sale at any one time and the iPad Air 5 reinforces this conclusion. Like…it hammers it home. Apple may be able to supply enough M2 SoC to introduce a new iPad Pro in Q4/22, but with the renewed vigor of the Mac, shortchanging the MacBook Air going into the holiday buying season would be counterproductive to simply waiting until Q1/23 to launch a new iPad Pro considering the current model does not have any deficit against it right now in any regard.

Users on these forums want Apple to move faster than Apple actually moves and then get all upset when Apple doesn’t release what they expect in the timeframe they expect it to happen. I’ve seen this time and time again. I’m simply calling it like I see it with the available information that I have. This seems to upset a lot of people around, including you, when I state my opinion. That’s fine, everyone is free to disagree, especially since this is a RUMOR site.
 
Evidence

Fact - Apple built the iPad Air 4/5 to look just like the iPad Pro 11” right down to a very similar sized screen. Inevitable? Maybe. But Apple could have left the iPad Air at 10.5” and old ID for one more Gen, but didn’t.

Fact - Apple just moved the iPad Air to an M1 SoC, making room for the M2 in the iPad Pro at some point. In essence, making the Air the heir to the 11” iPad Pro.

Fact - The 11” iPad Pro did not and has not received a mini-LED screen, meaning that common sense says Apple was not convinced it was worth the time, effort and expense.

Fact - Virtually no one is complaining about the M1 power in the iPad Pro, but there are lots of complaints about iPadOS.

Fact - The current iPad is 3 generations old with the same sizes and industrial design. That coupled with the size rumors lead me to a leap that Apple would size down the larger iPad Pro and introduce the larger iPad Pro, moving things upmarket more…again. :\

Rumor - Apple is looking at a larger version of the iPad than the current iPad Pro 12.9”

Fact/Rumor - The M2 has not shipped and is rumored not to until Q4. I believe they won’t have enough supply for both Macs and iPads at the same time and the M1 iPads came later anyways.

Rumor - I read a small passing rumor about a 12” iPad Pro being tested/worked on on AppleInsider a while ago. Might have been a typo, might not.

End evidence

I’m not stating that this is what will absolutely happen. I’ve been wrong quite a few times. However, this is a classic Apple feint and distraction with cannibalization of a higher end product. Everyone seems to be expecting an 11”, 12.9” and a ~14.8” iPad Pros with M2 and I don’t think Apple wants more than two iPad Pro sizes on sale at any one time and the iPad Air 5 reinforces this conclusion. Like…it hammers it home. Apple may be able to supply enough M2 SoC to introduce a new iPad Pro in Q4/22, but with the renewed vigor of the Mac, shortchanging the MacBook Air going into the holiday buying season would be counterproductive to simply waiting until Q1/23 to launch a new iPad Pro considering the current model does not have any deficit against it right now in any regard.

Users on these forums want Apple to move faster than Apple actually moves and then get all upset when Apple doesn’t release what they expect in the timeframe they expect it to happen. I’ve seen this time and time again. I’m simply calling it like I see it with the available information that I have. This seems to upset a lot of people around, including you, when I state my opinion. That’s fine, everyone is free to disagree, especially since this is a RUMOR site.
Sorry, I think I was a little quick to anger there. What I was trying to articulate is that I have seen quite a few of your posts which state your opinion in a factual manner. E.g. "There’s not going to be a 2022 iPad Pro." Even if you do end up qualifying it at the end of your post with saying it's just your 2 cents, you still phrased that sentence in a way which makes it sound as if it's factual and definitive instead of, for example, "I don't think there's going to be a 2022 iPad Pro." And I've seen you do that in a bunch of your posts. Obviously there is free speech here and I'm not here to censor you, so I hope that you accept my criticism and we can continue to engage in discourse.

It just bugs me because a lot of people, who are less informed about what the actual informed and reliable analysts are saying, are going to read your posts and take them at face value. Now I'll fire back at the evidence you provided and provide some counters:

Your point about the iPad Air having the same design and processor as the Pro, and that meaning the Pro is dead, is essentially meaningless. It's almost the exact same strategy that Apple has already implemented with the iPhone 13 / iPhone 13 Pro. Those iPhones are very similar in design aside from a few minute differences - the Pro gets a ProMotion display, better camera system, some other minor QOL improvements, a storage bump and has a $200 price difference. Still, the existence of the regular iPhone 13 in no way means that the Pro is on death's doorstep. And the iPad Pro still has a litany of improvements over the Air; very slightly larger screen, larger storage tiers, availability of more RAM, second camera and LIDAR sensor, ProMotion display, quad speakers, FaceID, 100 nits extra brightness, etc. And again, a $200 price difference. Those devices are really not nearly as close as the majority around here likes to make them seem.

Apple's inability to bring mini-LED technology to the 11" Pro was explained in an interview upon its release. They said that the weight increase the technology brings would've clashed with the form factor of the 11", which is intended to be light and portable. That doesn't mean they don't plan to bring mini-LED to that form factor in the future, I think as the technology matures they'll be able to bring it to lighter devices without the weight tradeoff. And the inability to bring mini-LED to more products right now seems to be a difficulty of supply and cost rather than a desire, as Kuo recently described.

What makes you think Apple won't have enough M2s for all the products they've been rumored to have planned for this fall? They launched the M1 in three concurrent products and followed up with several products a few months after the first wave launched. Presumably the MacBook Air and iPad Pro would be the highest volume products, and the Mac mini would be lower volume. Apple really doesn't seem to have been gravely affected by chip shortages for any of its custom silicon processors; sure, there have been delays on some products but they're usually alleviated quickly, and most of the delay-related rumors have been centered around none other than the mini-LED components in their recent products (e.g. the loooooooong-rumored 2021 MBPs).

There are also reliable analysts who have been predicting a 2022 refresh to the iPad Pro for some time now. Mark Gurman, who's something like 86% accurate, has continuously doubled down on a 2022 Pro. He just reaffirmed that prediction last week. At one point Kuo, Gurman and Young were all predicting mini-LED for an 11" iPad Pro in 2022. Now they've revised that and said that mini-LED isn't part of the plan for this year, but none of them have said anything about the 11" screen size being cancelled or the iPad Pro launch being pushed to 2023. And "summer" of 2023, as you stated in another post? That's kind of asinine and completely unfounded. There's no way they let their bread and butter iPads go 26 months without an update.

You mentioned people wanting Apple to move faster than they really will, and I think you're falling victim to that yourself with the talks of a larger iPad Pro size. I think if that were genuinely close to fruition (less than one year away) we'd be hearing a whole lot more reputable rumors about it. But really all that we've heard is that they're researching and prototyping, which indicates to me that it's still several years away.

By the way, if you end up being right make sure to quote me and I'll apologize and eat my words. :) Also, I think a 12" iPad Pro would be incredible. A 4:3 12" iPad Pro (or maybe 11.8", or something) would be a perfect Goldilocks Pro.
 
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