To answer the OP's question... mini-LED on the 11" is all it would take for me to upgrade. Or a 12.9" model that weighs < 1.4 lbs.
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iPad Pro iPad Pro 2022. What would it need for you to upgrade?
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I want to add an external monitor with full widescreen resolution and drag & drop to each display…
So your argument is that any future iPad should have a M1 inside? M2 is a necessity for sales - not the logic of performance. Would you buy a 2 year old M1 today or would you rather have a new M2 if you had a <=2017 iPad?
Since when is a too fast computer a problem? A truly lag free experience in all types of operations is still a dream.
Have you heard about the hen and the egg problem? The hardware needs to be there before the software.
Can we get better battery life? I think most of us that have a 13 Pro Max and M1 MBA are truly spoiled by the shockingly good battery life. I was hoping the M1 in the Pros would have at least made the 12.9-inch Pro the battery champ, but I guess not.
Oh & also better software to take advantage of the hardware. I wouldn’t even be mad if we got some M1/M2 iPad only features.
Oh & also better software to take advantage of the hardware. I wouldn’t even be mad if we got some M1/M2 iPad only features.
After years of iPad ownership, with this last one being the 12.9 pro, I finally sold it and bought a MacBook Air. The only thing that would get me back to an iPad is if it were made dual bootable - iPadOS / MacOS. I finally experienced just one too many times where I'd be working on my iPad, give up in frustration, and head over to my desk and finish up on my trusty Mac.
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I would choose whatever the current processor is. I wouldn't wait for the possibility of an M2 in the future.
Of course, but within reason. Someone doing regular office work would not benefit from an M1-Ultra despite it being faster. But I will give you that people are more likely to notice an M2 upgrade than an M1-Pro upgrade, but even then the difference would be small for the majority of iPad tasks. I just don't think its ever going to be truly lag-free because the OS gets bigger with each processor upgrade.
We've known for a long time that the egg came before the hen. Since the iPad is as powerful as the M1 Macs, the hardware is already here, but the software for the most part isn't.
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I would not wait for an M2 either but as I said the M1 is soon “old” according to marketing despite it will be usable for the next 10 years hence the next iPP should have an M2. Office is dominated by single core performance so the Ultra is not faster. I would say that the M1 + 16 Gb RAM is another class than A12X and 4-6 Gb RAM. Particularly the RAM enables more complex apps. It was not long time ago (a year?) that Apple increased the allocated RAM for one app in iPadOS and they could do that because of the 8-16 GB RAM. A year is nothing in complex app development.
Nothing would get me to upgrade unless my current iPad died. My only complaint about my current 2021 12.9” iPP is the mini-LED blooming.
My wishlist of things I hope the iPP has by the time I’m ready to upgrade again:
My wishlist of things I hope the iPP has by the time I’m ready to upgrade again:
- OLED display
- Longer battery life (especially when the screen brightness is high)
- Smaller bezels but only if it doesn’t create a notch (Please no one start talking to me about how there won’t be room to grip the device if this happens. My fingers already rest on the screen when I’m holding the device with how thin the bezels are now. I have no issues with the screen registering improper touches, and making the bezels smaller wouldn’t change that.)
- Being able to choose more RAM without having to upgrade to 1TB of storage
- Horizontal camera
- Proper external monitor support (i.e. adjust to screen resolution of the monitor, no black bars, a “desktop” type mode, etc.)
- Better audio management (i.e. playing one audio doesn’t stop/interrupt the sound of an audio already playing)
- More pro apps that take advantage of the software
- More desktop features in existing apps
- i.e. Being able to manage your Apple Music library from iPad, upload songs to your iCloud Music Library from iPad
- i.e. Zoom app not being so controlling over the device and so inflexible.
- Software being able to utilize the full 16GB of RAM, rather than just 12GB
I think thinner bezels are doable since some of the old style iPads had smaller bezels in portrait and it was fine. I'm indifferent to this, but would be a good way to increase screen size without increasing iPad size.
Yep. Not being able to edit Music ID3 tags on my iPad is frustrating to me. I would like to be able to download form Bandcamp and add those to my Music library while on my iPad. I would also like to see all my star ratings in the album/artist/song views.
The OS needs to reserve RAM for itself.
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Yep, I think a lot of people forget about OS overhead. In this case, it’s not just simply the OS but the graphics and storage subsystem need part of the RAM as well.
No to mention you wouldn't be able to split-screen or slide-over other apps if the one you were using had consumed all the RAM. Considering there are full-blown Mac-OS apps running well on an 8GB M1, do we really think iPad apps would suffer by not having more than 12GB?
Thin bezels have their trade offs—one annoyance and one problem:
A thumb holding an iPad screen edge can cover up content. Even as I read this forum, my thumb partially covers up words so I have to move my thumb—which is easy to do if using two hands to grip—but if using one hand then I have to change my grip or use my other hand to do extra scrolling, which is just an annoyance.
The problem though is that some apps like Procreate have controls on the edge of the screen (to maximize canvas space), and in these cases accidental touch rejection can’t distinguish between a user holding the iPad or pressing a control because they are exactly the same physical action. I have this issue now with current bezel sizes, and it makes holding the iPad while using these apps a bit nerve-racking, so making bezels thinner would only make it worse.
I’m speaking in general for iPads. The severity of these issues differ with different sizes. Bigger iPads can actually be less problematic than smaller iPads because they are held less and laid on a surface more.
The only way I could see thin or no bezels being without issue is if the user or app could add a “software bezel” as seen fit. But this doesn’t seem like something Apple or developers would want to do.
MacOS swaps to disk, so 8GB are not comparable to 8GB on iPad, which only reinforces the point that apps should not be allowed to use too much RAM on iPad to avoid reloads, freezes etc. especially while multitasking
I am not sure I understand this sentence, but no single app, however professional, should be able to use more than 75% of the system RAM in a system that has no virtual memory, at least not in devices with 8GB RAM or less. And honestly the 16GB iPad market is so small at the moment that even developers don't care to have more than double the RAM available in the 8GB M1 (but it's a good thing that after all the upheaval Apple started to make a distinction between the 2 RAM variants, contrary to what they had done in the past in 2016 and in 2018 with 1st and 3rd gen iPad pro)
It's simpler than that. M2 = more efficient = better battery life.
I would if there’s significant discount. If price is the same, then like you mentioned, you’d want to see some progress.
We don’t want Apple to turn into Intel. Intel’s chip performance was stagnant for a long time. Iirc, the A10X on the 2017 iPad Pro had around the same performance as desktop quad-core i5 Ivy/Haswell from 2012-2013. Apple managed to leap frog over Intel’s latest in just a few short years.
I agree with that. 75% seems reasonable.
I was thinking that Apple might create two tiers of apps – one tier that would have more RAM available and another that would have less. Just like they have two core types fast one and efficient one. So if the app falls more in the Pro tier, it can make a special request to get a permit to use more RAM (lets say up to 75%), whilst other apps can be limited to 50% - to boost multitasking / switching capabilities.
Whats the opinion here - is it superior that ipad doesnt use SWAP or , is that a dissadvantage?
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Hasn’t Apple already implemented this? Iirc, this is why the limit is now 12GB instead of 5GB on the 16GB RAM iPads.
iPadOS 15 Allows Apps to Use Up to 12GB of RAM on High-End iPad Pro, Up From Just 5GB
In June, we reported that starting with iPadOS 15, Apple is giving developers the ability to allocate their apps more RAM, allowing apps to use more...
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