And when you build your workflow on a third party app that pulls up stakes, and disappears?
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iPad Pro is still mainly for entertainment
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This is the worst argument I've seen yet. That can happen on literally any software or hardware platform.
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No. People were doing this with iPads long before Apple marketed it as such.
Ha ha ha!! What about when you build your workflow around a 1st party app that pulls up stakes, and disappears (or has a key feature removed for no apparent reason)??
This is Apple we're talking about! It also has nothing at all to do iOS or any specific platform. This happens all the time on every OS and platform...
Good thing for you Apple is still making great macOS machines then, and doesn't plan on stopping any time soon!
What you see as compromise many others may see as opportunity. Just because you are not willing to, or are excited by the thought of, relearning workflows and ways of getting stuff done, doesn't mean that somebody else can't or shouldn't. Many of these things actually increase productivity when forced to rethink a workflow.
But the desire and enjoyment of learning new things has to be present. If one is very happy with the way they've always done things and don't like to get out of their comfort zone a little bit (i.e. not early adopter types) then it will only be after iPad has established itself as a mainstream productivity and creative tool that one with these inclinations will accept it as such.
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Boom. This post should be pinned and set as the introductory to the iPad forums. Well done! What app did you use to make that?I already am. For most part.
My iPad typically ends the day at under 20% battery life. That ought to give you an idea of how much my iPad Pro is used for both work and leisure.
More than happy to learn new ways and tools, but those tools need to be better or more efficient.
A glass keyboard is not as pleasurable or efficient to use as a real one. The cut down apps are not as functional as desktop apps. The connections on the side of the iPad aren't there, so to transfer something it needs to first go into the cloud and back which is painful and a backward step. I cant use a 10" or 12" iPad in one hand effectively and having to hold any device means I'm 50% down on something thats able to sit on its own.
So i can work around the glass keyboard with the apple keyboard, but thats not nice to use either but better than glass. Apps, i could use two devices, or complain to the manufacture - doesn't get me further forward.
i could employ someone to hold the device for me so i have two hands, but not very practical..but at least i can get the angle i want on the screen rather than a fixed angle only.
Ipad is a compromise. Those compromises sometimes work, mostly not.
On the plus, its easier to watch a film on the aircraft with the iPad vs the MBP as it takes less space and i can hang it on the seat in front. I can get more free apps and its lighter. Im out of positives..
A glass keyboard is not as pleasurable or efficient to use as a real one. The cut down apps are not as functional as desktop apps. The connections on the side of the iPad aren't there, so to transfer something it needs to first go into the cloud and back which is painful and a backward step. I cant use a 10" or 12" iPad in one hand effectively and having to hold any device means I'm 50% down on something thats able to sit on its own.
So i can work around the glass keyboard with the apple keyboard, but thats not nice to use either but better than glass. Apps, i could use two devices, or complain to the manufacture - doesn't get me further forward.
i could employ someone to hold the device for me so i have two hands, but not very practical..but at least i can get the angle i want on the screen rather than a fixed angle only.
Ipad is a compromise. Those compromises sometimes work, mostly not.
On the plus, its easier to watch a film on the aircraft with the iPad vs the MBP as it takes less space and i can hang it on the seat in front. I can get more free apps and its lighter. Im out of positives..
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For productivity, for me nothing beats a desktop setup with ~30" screen (I currently have 27" 16:10 at work, 32" 16:9 at home), full-size ergonomic keyboard and mouse. Mouse beats touch for many tasks in precision and speed. Except for certain spacial positioning tasks, keyboard operation consistently beats almost anything if you have the relevant keys and shortcuts in muscle memory (that is, for power users more than for casual users). Even simple web browsing is considerably more efficient and more convenient for me on a desktop with large screen than either on a laptop or tablet.
Of course, on the couch, in bed, in the kitchen, in the bathroom or on the go is a different story. There a tablet wins. It also wins for pen input.*
But a tablet will never be able to replace a desktop setup for me. It could only become part of it, by being able to connect a large screen, keyboard and mouse. (And by running Windows, as I'm a Windows die-hard on the desktop — but Windows is a really bad tablet OS.) In the end, I'm fine with having to use different computing devices for different usage scenarios. In practice it has the benefit that one usage scenario doesn't have to be compromised over the other.
*) I'm glad that Apple started to support pen input. I owned Palm PDAs 10-15 years ago and found the iPhone's finger-only operation and lack of PgUp/PgDn keys to be a step back in some ways.
Of course, on the couch, in bed, in the kitchen, in the bathroom or on the go is a different story. There a tablet wins. It also wins for pen input.*
But a tablet will never be able to replace a desktop setup for me. It could only become part of it, by being able to connect a large screen, keyboard and mouse. (And by running Windows, as I'm a Windows die-hard on the desktop — but Windows is a really bad tablet OS.) In the end, I'm fine with having to use different computing devices for different usage scenarios. In practice it has the benefit that one usage scenario doesn't have to be compromised over the other.
*) I'm glad that Apple started to support pen input. I owned Palm PDAs 10-15 years ago and found the iPhone's finger-only operation and lack of PgUp/PgDn keys to be a step back in some ways.
No, I've corrected it back for you.. There was no need to fix it, i don't and can't speak for others, this is the same as you - it's just a given...
"YOU" can't claim "but not for all" as you don't speak for anyone but YOU!!! So please don't try to.
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So you're saying that you think it's a compromise for all users, and I'm saying that's not true, but I'M the one speaking for everybody? Ok.
No, I'm saying anything i write is my personal opinion, that's a given. Just iike anything "you" say is your personal opinion only.. Nothing else is needed - Everything in my post says "I", it's wrote in the first person only. Thanks.
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See many of these threads...
Firstly, it purely depends on that person's requirements.
When I was younger I had the 17" PowerBook, followed by the 17" MacBook Pro. I had both devices purely for recreation and high school work. I just always wanted the top of the line devices.
I'm now in a job that provides a Windows laptop but also encourages using your own devices when you can and therefore I have work specific apps on both my iPhone and iPP 9.7".
I use my Windows laptop when in the office. Always. Mostly for emails and meetings requiring screensharing. Although the shared is mostly of Microsoft Office documents, so nothing extreme.
I use my iPP at work for note taking when in meetings. This has totally changed how I work. It's a simple use of the iPP, but I also have the additional functionality of the work provided apps, allowing me to review & edit office documents, dial into WebEx meetings, view our internal intranet. Nothing I could have down when at external meetings previously when taking a laptop isn't appropriate.
My iPP is my only personal computer, I no longer have a MacOS device.
I'm able to scan documents, print, touch up photos, mash together videos with titles and chapters, use Microsoft Office, play the occasional game, view content via Netflix, local catchup apps, YouTube, make payments, everything I need to do, with my iPad! In fact, if I was in a position where I could only afford 1 device, I could do everything I've mentioned with my iPhone 7 Plus. Something I have on me all the time, everyday, always connected to the internet.
I totally understand that others will require the additional workhorse of a desktop based operating system but for most, including myself, iOS is perfect.
I'll soon be upgrading my iPP to the 2nd gen 12.9" as I've decided the extra real estate is worthwhile as it is my main computing machine. I also find myself in places where I'm stopping over night and the iPad is my main device, having the bigger display for content will be great.
Firstly, it purely depends on that person's requirements.
When I was younger I had the 17" PowerBook, followed by the 17" MacBook Pro. I had both devices purely for recreation and high school work. I just always wanted the top of the line devices.
I'm now in a job that provides a Windows laptop but also encourages using your own devices when you can and therefore I have work specific apps on both my iPhone and iPP 9.7".
I use my Windows laptop when in the office. Always. Mostly for emails and meetings requiring screensharing. Although the shared is mostly of Microsoft Office documents, so nothing extreme.
I use my iPP at work for note taking when in meetings. This has totally changed how I work. It's a simple use of the iPP, but I also have the additional functionality of the work provided apps, allowing me to review & edit office documents, dial into WebEx meetings, view our internal intranet. Nothing I could have down when at external meetings previously when taking a laptop isn't appropriate.
My iPP is my only personal computer, I no longer have a MacOS device.
I'm able to scan documents, print, touch up photos, mash together videos with titles and chapters, use Microsoft Office, play the occasional game, view content via Netflix, local catchup apps, YouTube, make payments, everything I need to do, with my iPad! In fact, if I was in a position where I could only afford 1 device, I could do everything I've mentioned with my iPhone 7 Plus. Something I have on me all the time, everyday, always connected to the internet.
I totally understand that others will require the additional workhorse of a desktop based operating system but for most, including myself, iOS is perfect.
I'll soon be upgrading my iPP to the 2nd gen 12.9" as I've decided the extra real estate is worthwhile as it is my main computing machine. I also find myself in places where I'm stopping over night and the iPad is my main device, having the bigger display for content will be great.
It all depends on the user and task, but it’s obviously possible a number of people. I have sold my MacBook and I only have an iPad Pro and my 7 Plus moving forward. I work in management and most of my work involves email, word and excel documents, OneNote, and web browsing. Easily managed on my iPad.
No. While I do enjoy watching videos and bqroesing the web on, I use my iPad for many productive things:
This notion that iPads aren't optimal for content creation is silly. They're not ideal for all kinds, but they're perfect for many kinds.
- Writing
- Drawing
- Annotation work-related PDFs
- Handwriting solutions for students (not at the moment, but I have in the past and will do so again)
- Research
- Second display
This notion that iPads aren't optimal for content creation is silly. They're not ideal for all kinds, but they're perfect for many kinds.
Exactly what I would be doing if my company didn't provide me with a Mac to work on--if they didn't force me to use proprietary Flash-based conference calling software, I would hardly ever need it.
I already am. For most part.
My iPad typically ends the day at under 20% battery life. That ought to give you an idea of how much my iPad Pro is used for both work and leisure.
Nice diagram. Did you make that just for this post or to to catalog your usage?
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I see someone was dictating.
When you rely on third party apps for vitally needed functionality like file management, it's not.
The 'never-puters' just brush it off like nothing. I'm not even thinking of giving up a computer, when my digital history is not my own. Even if that was the only barrier. You scoff at it, but I'll send my important/PII documents off to the aether.
Sure, if that's how the conversation went and that's a fine conversation to have. I enjoy being pointed to useful apps as well. And it's not like each of the hundreds of threads aren't already discussed hundreds of different ways already.
Granted I was a bit grumpy at the time, but my comment was directed at the tone of the conversations. They aren't, "hey, anybody using an iPad for this purpose that can recommend a good app to do so?" Take this thread for example-- the title is a flat unsupported statement and the OP has offered no new insight into why they hold the opinion they do.
I contrast that with this, which adds actual information and a personal perspective to the conversation:
I happen to find a lot more positive in the iPad, but at least there's enough thought on display here that I'm willing to respect the opinion.
The only response I can really give to the OP is "No it's not more for entertainment, and yes I can be more productive." That's not a conversation, it's not even an argument. "An argument is a connected series of statements intended to establish a proposition. Contradiction is just the automatic gainsaying of anything the other person says." If you want a conversation or an argument don't make the other side do all the work for you-- provide actual informative content to the discussion.
Nice diagram. Did you make that just for this post or to to catalog your usage?
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I see someone was dictating.
Partly to catalogue my own use, but also in response to a post on Reddit asking what apps people had on their iPads. I have had the screenshot since April, and figured it might come in handy once in a while.
I was inspired by Federico of Macstories and decided to map out my app usage as well. Also partly because I had purchased MindNode and wanted to give mindmapping a go (since I am not really a mindmap person myself, but am interested to see if it can help organise my thoughts better).
I adapt and move on.
For example, I have purchased liquidtext, notability, PDF expert and goodreader. I am currently using notability, but if the app were to suddenly disappear tomorrow, I still have other apps as backup. It's unlikely that all 3 developers will suddenly decide to neglect and abandon their apps at the same time, and even if they did, there is no shortage of other PDF annotation apps I can find and use.
Same with reeder. I have also purchased Newsify, so I can toggle between the two depending on which is more fully featured (and I did use the latter for a while when it supported safari view controller).
Same with todo apps. There's todoist, there's things, there's omnifocus, I am spoiled for choice.
There's enough redundancy in terms of app selection in the App Store that I am not worried about this happening. If anything, I am worried about buying too many apps and not being able to decide on which one to use!
For me, it is truly for entertainment purposes. Didn't need it, but I wanted it. That's a good enough reason for me to buy it.