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iPhone 12 mini iPhone 12 mini vs. iPhone 13 mini
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I charge it overnight on the wireless charger together with Apple Watch and sometimes AirPods. I always thought that if those devices are meant to be charger I never been anxious about finding special ways how to charge. Recently I thought about getting back to wired charging with 5W wall brick but then I started thinking about getting 13 and stopped thinking too much about ways of charging.
I'll probably get a 13 mini next fall if Apple gives up on small phones and that doesn't stay a rumor. Or if they don't bring the Pro back to 5.8 which I don't think is likely anyway. Just to chime in, 99% BH on my 12 mini after 10 months.
Personally I think using a 5W wired charger is a complete waste of time… Using a 20W fast charger (wired) is just so much more convenient (about 4 times faster), and unlike common belief, it doesn’t degrade your battery anymore than a 5W charger. Keeping the battery between 30 to 80%, or even 20 to 90% is much more important than the wattage of your charger.
Here the 12 Mini was available with 200-250€ off in some sales. You just need to be patient. I myself don't need the 200€ but why not safe it and invest it in something else like the new AirPods 3 when they come out if I don't need the 13 Mini right now.
I also think about what I do with AC+. Do I buy a second 13 Mini in time for a steal just to be sure, which would be a big amount compared to going AC+ for two years just to be safe, maybe even with the newly introduced theft bonus introduced here now, which would make it more expensive again (229€ for two years). ATM I don't have AC+ for the first time because I didn't need it. But the 13 Mini is a different story. Or do I make monthly AC+ payment which could go on forever, no two year limit, but this would be even more expensive with 8.50€ a month without theft insurance...
My battery has gotten down to 99% finally, iPhone bought in February, with the iOS15 B8 upgrade. But I almost exclusively charge it with the 5W charger, never magsafe or wireless charging, because I don't need it. Sometimes 12W charger. Never my 20W charger. It is more convenient but I don't need it. If my 12 Mini would have low battery all the time because of intensive use I would use the 20W charger too. If I don't have the time and would be out all the time I would use it too. But I often have the time to let it charge with 5W.
I also think it has something do to with how hot the battery gets during charging and also during use. Do you use your Mini for extensive tasks and games, magsafe charging, use it while charging etc. Maybe you live in an area where it is hot all year. All that stuff. Plus luck. Some batteries have better quality or at least higher capacity than they should, some only the capacity Apple mentions.
My SE 1 which wasn't used all that much but quite some time is still at 97%. My 11 which I had for a year as my main device and then gave to my parents last year, with very moderate use from then on, is at 96%.
My Macbook 12 has gotten down in capacity quite fast imo. And I use it while charging, it is getting hot when using certain apps etc.
With so many other things I’ve got to think about on a daily basis (ie mainly foraging for food and figuring out what’s the next meal
……I don’t give a passing thought to a battery charging routine. I do have “optimized battery charging” turned on. However, other than that, when the battery is low during the day (often when I see the battery indicator turn red), I charge it back to 100%….with an 18 watt charger. Every night, I throw it on a chi wireless charging pad and it’s 100% the next morning.
I’ve had my iPhone 11 for 2 yrs now and battery health is at 86%. But even if it was below 80% at this point, and assuming that I was going to keep the phone for another year (ie which I’m not…since I just pre-ordered the 13-mini), I’d just schedule an appointment at Apple and have it replaced while I wait for $69.
Given the cost to replace a battery is only $69, I’d never go though the daily grind needed to make sure I didn’t let the battery level fall below 20% or go above 80%.
……I don’t give a passing thought to a battery charging routine. I do have “optimized battery charging” turned on. However, other than that, when the battery is low during the day (often when I see the battery indicator turn red), I charge it back to 100%….with an 18 watt charger. Every night, I throw it on a chi wireless charging pad and it’s 100% the next morning.I’ve had my iPhone 11 for 2 yrs now and battery health is at 86%. But even if it was below 80% at this point, and assuming that I was going to keep the phone for another year (ie which I’m not…since I just pre-ordered the 13-mini), I’d just schedule an appointment at Apple and have it replaced while I wait for $69.
Given the cost to replace a battery is only $69, I’d never go though the daily grind needed to make sure I didn’t let the battery level fall below 20% or go above 80%.
I wouldn't hold out on such deep discounts for the 13 mini on Amazon etc as the 12 mini, by most accounts they overestimated the demand and probably had quite a bit of stock to clear. I imagine they've adjusted the production numbers for this generation. That said, I'm waiting for the same haha. Maybe around Jan-Feb
Looking at the specs on Apple's site the 13 mini now has the same battery life as last year's 12. Quite an achievement.
How do you do this without keeping a close eye on your charging at all times? Seems impossible if you're charging over night.
Could be the basis for an SE version down the line maybe
When has Apple ever hinted in the history of the company what they're going to do with their products apart from niche stuff like the Mac Pro? All the rumours are aligned on it, the demand is much lower than they anticipated for the minis, it's basically a given that this is the last one
All the rumours were aligned on square edges for the Watch and look what happened there.
It will be interesting to see where Apple goes with it's future lineup. The mini while it may well have less sales than anticipated it is still a top 10 selling phone worldwide so it's no slouch and combined with the SE Apple's smaller phones are a big chunk of their sales, they aren't going to stop making them.
I wouldn't however be surprised to see the mini divert from the the main iPhone lineup with it being made a bit cheaper with maybe not the latest chip or camera to create a model that bridges the gap between the current mini and the SE. The big gap Apple have unfilled is a more affordable Max phone which I can see them gunning for next year. I could see the lineup being:
iPhone mini - $599
iPhone 14 - $799
iPhone 14 Max - $899
iPhone 14 Pro - $999
iPhone 14 Pro Max - $1099
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I don’t babysit my devices while they’re charging. That’s what cutoff cables are for.
Apple devices are not supposed to overcharge but they do and that shortens battery life. On the rare occasions I use a wireless charger, the iPhone is always hot to the touch when I pick it up even if the lights indicate it stopped charging. I will not be investing in a Mag Safe charger — I don’t trust them.
Get a smart outlet plug and create a Shortcut that will turn off the charger at whatever percentage you want to charge the phone. Makes thing real easy.
I use one of my old iPad Pro chargers on my 12 Pro Max since it charges faster due to higher wattage. I just checked my nearly 3 year old Series 4 Apple Watch and that has 99% battery capacity. I never charge my devices overnight and often don't need to charge them everyday. I'm confident my AirPods Pro have similar battery capacity because my nearly 5 year old BeatsX earbuds perform like the day I got them.
Interesting speculation but I don’t see some of it. I agree that the Mini is finding its own market and will likely hold its own going forward.
The SE is targeted at specific non-US/EU markets and should stick around with the occasional refresh. I don’t see Apple merging it with the Mini. There is always a place for a basic iPhone and it’s good that Apple finally realizes that.
I don’t see a mid range Max ever happening. The thing many dislike about the premium iPhone has always been its size but it has all of the latest features. I bought a 7 Plus because it was the first with dual lenses and the only one where I could frame the shot with one hand (pinch-zoom requires two). Loved the feature; hated the size And will never go back.Now that the Mini exists with dual lenses and one-handed framing, it’s something I’m considering.
Last year, it was a given that the 12 was the only Mini we were going to see. This year, Apple doubled down and is making one that is better. There is no “given” that this is the last one.
Agree 100% The speed the battery charges has no effect. I’ve been using 20W chargers with cutoff cables for years.
See my earlier post about cables that slow down at 90% cut off charging when full (99%). McDodo is the best known brand but not the only one out there.
I don’t know when that was ever assumed to be the case.
Apple has to decide what size devices they’re going to manufacture for the following year before the current year models go on pre-order. The rumors that were already coming out late last year pointed to identical sizes as 2020 models, which makes sense because Apple would not have yet known how the mini sales would perform in September 2020.
It was widely understood that Apple had already committed to the mini in 2020 and had no choice but to continue with production this year. But knowing what they knew in 2020, they could choose to discontinue it for 2022.
Last year, it was noted by Kuo (and I think a few others) that this year would be the last for the mini due to poor sales. Granted, that could change if sales are strong this year but, I really don't see that happening due to so many people being in love with luggage phones.
my mini 12 battery has really been going down fast in the last couple weeks. I've been running the ios15 betas -- wonder if that has anything to do with it. my avg screen time is 5 hr 7 minutes over the last 10 days.
I'm getting a 13 mini and I really hope the improvements to battery are legit.
I'm getting a 13 mini and I really hope the improvements to battery are legit.
Unfortunately I think those rumors are true. According to them there will be two mid range phones, one 6.1 and one Max. And two Pro phones 6.1. and Max too. No Mini anymore. But I would be very, very happy if those rumors would be false. But I believe they aren't.
I would be thrilled if they were shown to be wrong as well. At least we can buy several to last us a good while.
Agree about hoping this isn't the last mini, but with the maturity of a lot of elements of smartphones the 13 mini could last an extremely long time with occasional battery replacements
That’s basically my usage pattern. That’s why I love the 20W charger - because it charges the battery while I’m concentrated on work, making food or exercising etc. I’m a pretty heavy user, so I often charge it 2-3 times a day (20-30 minutes at a time is enough). It can be seen as a benefit of having a smaller battery actually, because it charges very quickly - assuming you have access to a power outlet during the day of course…
I don’t charge over night. I have a simple Battery Life app which notifies me on my AW when the charge has reached a certain point (high and low). The same app will notify me on my phone when my AW has reached a certain battery level.