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I'm in the EU and when I get my 15 pro max I'll have to replace all the lightning cables and chargers I've collected over the years and which serve me well. At home, at work, in the car and when travelling. Which would have served me well until Apple and the ecosystem get rid of wired connection altogether (which I only really need for wired carplay btw. no massive videos or anything). So from a personal perspective it's hardly a big win environmentally or financially speaking.

Then a back of an envelope calculation. My guess is that given Apple has a notoriously high customer satisfaction AND iPhone market share is not growing at a huge rate => the majority of people buying new iPhones will be existing Apple customers and NOT switchers. By the same token not a huge number of people are switching to Android.

QED the majority of purchasers will have an experience similar to mine and be having to replace perfectly good cables.

So yeah, I concur with the cynical tone.

(Fair disclosure I actually live in Brussels, have daily experience of the EU thing and observe time and time again how well-meaning bureaucrats tamper naively with complex systems to produce unintended results.)
USB-C cables are very versatile and have a lot more uses than just charging the iPhone, in fact even charging wirelessly can be powered over USB-C. You don't have to worry about it being obsolete anytime soon unlike Lightning.
 
The problem is, though, that so far they haven't actually done anything with that available space except insert a plastic spacer to fill it.
Because they have not yet been able to do it for all territories. Removing it as quickly as they can is the fastest way to get that space made available.
I agree that it makes sense for Apple to move on from physical SIM cards, but when are we going to see any physical benefit to the phone from doing so? The last I heard, the 15's were going to include the plastic spacer as well.
We already see a benefit for those territories where it has been removed in improved IP rating (not yet announced).
 
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Plenty of nice new features and some very welcome improvements. But at the same time all of them are fairly incremental. I can see why some folks will want to upgrade and enjoy the very latest, but I have a 14 Pro, very happy with it, and to me nothing here justifies the upgrade. Guess I’ll sit this one out. Enjoy your new gear, everyone.
 
USB-C cables are very versatile and have a lot more uses than just charging the iPhone, in fact even charging wirelessly can be powered over USB-C. You don't have to worry about it being obsolete anytime soon unlike Lightning.
For most users, Lightning was made obsolete only be EU decree. I still have many Lightning devices and will for many years. Now unfortunately, I need to get a whole additional set of USB-C cables to replace perfectly working cables.

For what do you use USB-C cables? My keyboards all have Lightning. My trackpads all have Lightning. My mice have Lightning. My AirPods Pro have Lightning. I have many accessories that adapt from Lightning to HDMI, Lightning to SDCard, etc., all of which will no need to be replaced. What benefit do I gain from this? How is generating the tons of e-waste this will require a benefit to the consumer and/or the environment?
 
We already see a benefit for those territories where it has been removed in improved IP rating (not yet announced).
Nothing exciting if I'm honest. Water resistance can't be relied on since it wears off over time. I'd rather have the SIM slot, at least until eSIMs are as easy to swap as physical.
 
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WTF are they calling a “periscope” lens? And going back to rounded edges would be an idiotic regression.
 
For most users, Lightning was made obsolete only be EU decree. I still have many Lightning devices and will for many years. Now unfortunately, I need to get a whole additional set of USB-C cables to replace perfectly working cables.

For what do you use USB-C cables? My keyboards all have Lightning. My trackpads all have Lightning. My mice have Lightning. My AirPods Pro have Lightning. I have many accessories that adapt from Lightning to HDMI, Lightning to SDCard, etc., all of which will no need to be replaced. What benefit do I gain from this? How is generating the tons of e-waste this will require a benefit to the consumer and/or the environment?
It's definitely a gradual change. My game controllers all use USB-C, my Beats earbuds, my headphones and my Apple TV remote. I'll still be needing Lightning for other devices for a couple years at least.
 
For most users, Lightning was made obsolete only be EU decree. I still have many Lightning devices and will for many years. Now unfortunately, I need to get a whole additional set of USB-C cables to replace perfectly working cables.

For what do you use USB-C cables? My keyboards all have Lightning. My trackpads all have Lightning. My mice have Lightning. My AirPods Pro have Lightning. I have many accessories that adapt from Lightning to HDMI, Lightning to SDCard, etc., all of which will no need to be replaced. What benefit do I gain from this? How is generating the tons of e-waste this will require a benefit to the consumer and/or the environment?
I am on your side regarding the decree - I don't even think a government or super-government body such as the EU should ever have the power to mandate a particular power connector to a private business.

But replacing the cables it's going to be a one time thing. Then you can reuse the USB-C cables between your phone, tablet, laptop, it's nice. This is where the environmental benefits kick in also.

I personally think it's a good change, after all Apple had already switched on their iPads and Macbooks, I just wish the EU didn't butt in.
 
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Oh, screw you, Apple. I am so tired of the best camera features only coming on the "larger than I want" version of the phone. Dating all the way back to the iPhone 6, where only the 6 Plus got image stabilization. Regularly, Apple has included photo features on only the Plus/Max size phone, not the regular. It should be a *PRO* thing, not a "Max" thing. This was my year to upgrade, but I really want the better zoom, so now I'll be waiting an extra year and hoping (like in past iterations) the better photo feature trickles down the following year.
Yeah, and next year’s 16 Pro Max/Ultra is rumored to get an upgraded periscope lens (10X?) while the regular 16 Pro will get the periscope lens that the 15 Pro Max is getting this year. I’ll probably get the 16 Pro even if it’s still a year behind with the camera. I don’t want the larger phone.
 
For what do you use USB-C cables?
My work macbook pro and my personal macbook air, my ipad air, my kindle, my portable battery, my raspberry pis, my external drives, my big sony headphones, my electric lighter, my qi/magsafe travel multi-charger for aw/ipp/phone, my battery powered pocket fan, my portable reading light, my appletv remote, my mouse… just off the top of my head

This might shock you but by this point most folks have more items with USBC ports than lightning ports - including apple gear
 
Hoping the 8gb of ram comes true and that the periscope lens is at least 250-300mm Ff equivalent. 5-6x optical zoom is so 5 years ago.

If it has neither of those things it’s gonna be a hard sell.
I think 5-6x is what the 15 Pro Max will be getting. Next year’s 16 Pro Max is likely to have the periscope lens you want based on the rumors. As for the 8GB of ram, I would be surprised if Apple decided to stick with 6GB. Unless Apple decides to also keep that extra ram exclusive to the 15 Pro Max which would suck.
 
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I really hope for some killer-features because I haven't seen a single reason to upgrade from iPhone14 Pro yet. USB-C is nice but hardly a reason for upgrading..
That’s because you have a 14 pro. A phone that’s less than a year old….try saying this 4-5 years from now, it’ll be a much bigger upgrade.

Honestly what do you expect apple to do? Turn it into a transformer?
 
That’s because you have a 14 pro. A phone that’s less than a year old….try saying this 4-5 years from now, it’ll be a much bigger upgrade.

Honestly what do you expect apple to do? Turn it into a transformer?
TBF even coming from an iPhone X the upgrade isn't that big overall in day to day life, but the same can be said about all the other phone manufacturers and you also see it in other electronics, Moore's law has been dead for years.

But people see that as a bad thing but it just means you don't have to upgrade your phone every year (or even every 2 years).
 
I am on your side regarding the decree - I don't even think a government or super-government body such as the EU should ever have the power to mandate a particular power connector to a private business.

But replacing the cables it's going to be a one time thing. Then you can reuse the USB-C cables between your phone, tablet, laptop, it's nice. This is where the environmental benefits kick in also.

I personally think it's a good change, after all Apple had already switched on their iPads and Macbooks, I just wish the EU didn't butt in.
So you agree with the action, but wish it hadn’t been taken? You’ve just explained why it’s a good move and what the benefits are, but you can’t understand why a government would do it?

That’s some cognitive dissonance.
 
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So you agree with the action, but wish it hadn’t been taken? You’ve just explained why it’s a good move and what the benefits are, but you can’t understand why a government would do it?

That’s some cognitive dissonance.
I don't agree with a government having this power, that has nothing to do with the outcome.

For example, the government might mandate that all eat 100% healthy meals, no more sugary or fried stuff. The outcome might be good, but this kind of power is immoral and downright terrifying to me.

No dissonance, you just didn't understand.
 
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