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This has got to be the worst take I've ever read in my decades of using Macrumors.

Seriously, you're defending Apple making things harder to fix to save a buck? You do know that Apple charges what the market will bear, right?

I don't think you even read or understood my take. Re-read it and then try another response?
 
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Yeah at the cost of being more expensive.

Congrats right to repair people, you just forced everyone to pay more for the iPhone just so that the few people like you and Louis Rossman can spend an hour swapping a battery to save a few bucks while everyone else continues using Apple service.

I knew this was going to happen.
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Yeah, removable back glass makes iphone so much more expensive...
You know what else makes it costly? Parts serialization, when every detail is signed and cannot be replaced without Apple calls and software tools. So you cannot buy new macbook battery without renting box with fireproof safe with cup of sand, and making service calls after replacement to provide personal info to make your laptop work again. All of this is unnecessary to replace battery, Apple just saves cents to make everything about repair harder, and when regulators finally say that such practices should be reverted - Apple will say to customers that it will cost +$200 to make things more repairable again, and you will trust to Apple and pay anyway, so they will fix their new price with +$192.50 profit margin.
 
Yeah, removable back glass makes iphone so much more expensive...

Nice strawman argument. The chasis was redesigned.

You know what else makes it costly? Parts serialization, when every detail is signed and cannot be replaced without Apple calls and software tools. So you cannot buy new macbook battery without renting box with fireproof safe with cup of sand, and making service calls after replacement to provide personal info to make your laptop work again. All of this is unnecessary to replace battery, Apple just saves cents to make everything about repair harder, and when regulators finally say that such practices should be reverted - Apple will say to customers that it will cost +$200 to make things more repairable again, and you will trust to Apple and pay anyway, so they will fix their new price with +$192.50 profit margin.
Less than <1%, no wait, I'll be generous, <5% of all Apple customers are going to practically take on the benefits of right to repair

While the majority of customers pay more for the device just so that people like whiney Louis Rossman can save a few bucks.
 
As opposed to all the times they didn't want to because Apple is a charity?

Talk about absurd.

Inflation has hit pretty much all markets, and things generally do cost more to make.. and some are abusing the inflationary climate we are in - all factors combined, so no it's not.
 
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Perhaps the glass back allows for different antenna placements. An entirely new frequency band for the full 5G experience will require either a new separate antenna or a different configuration of an existing one.
 
The glass-back trend on smartphones is downright absurd! All it does is add extra weight and raise the likelihood of costly repairs for a mere aesthetic feature that doesn't enhance the phone's functionality. Who needs that delicate eye candy? Let's get real and stick to a robust aluminium or titanium back, saving us from unnecessary expenses and reducing environmental waste. Apple, it's high time to put practicality before vanity!
What would YOU put on the back when you want to enable wireless charging???
 
Nice strawman argument. The chasis was redesigned.


Less than <1%, no wait, I'll be generous, <5% of all Apple customers are going to practically take on the benefits of right to repair

While the majority of customers pay more for the device just so that people like whiney Louis Rossman can save a few bucks.
You don't have stats how every internal redesign affects component's price, do you think there is zero redesigns in recent years, when price stayed? Lets be real, how much do you think this redesign costs? It will add more that 1$ to current $464 material price?

Is sound like you just want to blame one specific group in growing prices to product that will buy anyway. When Apple knows that there is enough loyal customers, they will drop any excuse to grab more cash from customers next time, just like any other brand.
 
Lashing out at Rossman for advocating for consumer rights is absurd as is blaming a potential price hike on a more repairable device

If apple raises the price it’s because they want to. Or are passing along the increase cost for parts. Not because you will be able to pop off the back of a phone with more ease

That’s really a stretch imo
I’ll put it more blunt: it’s BS
Just another evidence that most people here do not understand product pricing.
 
Yeah at the cost of being more expensive.

Congrats right to repair people, you just forced everyone to pay more for the iPhone just so that the few people like you and Louis Rossman can spend an hour swapping a battery to save a few bucks while everyone else continues using Apple service.

I knew this was going to happen.
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Inflation has hit pretty much all markets, and things generally do cost more to make.. and some are abusing the inflationary climate we are in - all factors combined, so no it's not.

I didn't say price increase is exclusive to chasis redesign, but to say it has 0 impact on margins is a terrible assertion.
 
You don't have stats how every internal redesign affects component's price, do you think there is zero redesigns in recent years, when price stayed?


You don't have stats either so how can you say this has zero effect on pricing and immediately dismiss what I'm saying? What because all redesigns cost exactly the same and therefore I'm wrong?

Not a good argument.
 
This is clear evidence showing failure to understand how a product is made.
Ha ha, good one - Apple redesigned the iPhone 14 frame apparently last year to improve things including repair ability, and now they are applying those changes to the 15Pro apparently, citing that as an item that drives a possible price increase is just silly. All we have about the 15 is rumors, no facts and my educated guess is that they apply engineering learnings from one product to the other…
But yeah, continue on…
 
Ha ha, good one - Apple redesigned the iPhone 14 frame apparently last year to improve things including repair ability, and now they are applying those changes to the 15Pro apparently, citing that as an item that drives a possible price increase is just silly. All we have about the 15 is rumors, no facts and my educated guess is that they apply engineering learnings from one product to the other…
But yeah, continue on…
Yeah because all redesigns cost exactly the same. Go on.
 
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Thing is, YOU don’t have an argument…
Saying it again, all we have about iPhone 15 are rumors, no facts…
Says the person who just pointed out about iPhone 14's redesign should be used as the basis for their argument. Yeah because iPhone 15's redesign should cost exactly the same and the price increase is 100% from somewhere else, right? That's hilarious 🤣
 
How could you possibly think right-to-repair and consumer ownership are negative, unless you clearly enjoy having every last aspect of your life dictated for you?
As I literally explained, the right to repair design decision is costing most Apple customers MORE money to buy the product to make the few loud people who actually do repair devices themselves happy.
 
Says the person who just pointed out about iPhone 14's redesign should be used as the basis for their argument. Yeah because iPhone 15's redesign should cost exactly the same and the price increase is 100% from somewhere else, right? That's hilarious 🤣
very apparent that either you didn't read or do not understand my post because you are clearly putting words in my mouth ... but whatever suits you, keep going ...
 
As I literally explained, the right to repair design decision is costing most Apple customers MORE money to buy the product to make the few loud people who actually do repair devices themselves happy.

Proof?

Because all of the information available points to the chips and boards as adding to the materials cost.

So your "argument" is clearly just anti-consumer propoganda parroting.
 
So your "argument" is clearly just anti-consumer propoganda parroting.

What does this have to do with "You clearly own nothing " argument?

I own 6 iPads from all the way back to iPad 3, a few macs, a few PCs, a few iPhones, 1 Pixel and so on. Tell me again I clearly own nothing.
 
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