iPhone 15 Pro Said to Be Easier to Repair Like iPhone 14 and 14 Plus

[Sebalto]

Thank you for proving the point. You fail to understand that you don't truly own the vast majority of those devices.

So by your reasoning if you do not possess the ability or equipment to fix any object you own then you don't own that object?

It's amusing how this hysteria doesn't apply to other consumer items like washing machines, tumble dryers, water boilers etc you know, objects that actually take up serious space in landfill.

 

[Mr. Dee]

Why? To me improvements in screen and camera are the biggest draws. I’m thinking others feel the same way.

If I want to upgrade I will, if not I won’t. There is mo set schedule though I like my max such that I’ve kept it. (Although I upgraded my spouse to the 14PM).

Honestly, whatever miniscule detailed improvements you are seeing, they are insignificant. We always we think we need better. I just finished watching a series Peter Jennings did in the 90’s called America: This Century. Its pretty much 640 x 480 upload, yet I enjoyed everyone of the episodes and saw all the details of the different eras without any concern.

 

[eicca]

So by your reasoning if you do not possess the ability or equipment to fix any object you own then you don't own that object?

It's amusing how this hysteria doesn't apply to other consumer items like washing machines, tumble dryers, water boilers etc you know, objects that actually take up serious space in landfill.

If the use of a product requires the manufacturer to remain involved AFTER you've paid in full for it, whether that's running a server or requiring their authorization to perform a repair, you don't own it.

Nobody owns their iPhone because Apple can lock us out at any time if they so decided.

I DO own my classic Mac Pro because there's not a dang thing they can do to keep me from using it however the hell I want.

Who says it doesn't apply to other areas? It absolutely does. I pursue older fixable appliances/cars/etc for that very reason.

 

[Mr. Dee]

Obviously, this is all anecdotal, but I’ve pretty much noticed over the past six years or so that people in my life upgrade their phones when either the battery is totally shot, their old phone starts having connection issues or they change their carrier plan, and it comes with a new phone.
I don’t think the majority are updating for the cameras or screens anymore, but they still certainly appreciate the update when they get it.

Somebody I know who is new to this country, had an iPhone 12, broke it and upgraded to an iPhone 14 Pro Max all on credit while struggling the meet the other basic necessities and is asking how they can apply for more credit cards. When they really should be thinking, how do I save more money in this expensive city.

 

[HVDynamo]

Ok let's continue arguing.

The argument was "You clearly own nothing".

Assuming it "has everything to do with it", I clearly own much more than "nothing" including many obsolete Apple devices and I still stand by what I said. Please point out to where I am wrong.

I'm going to agree with what eicca said. You need to go read up on what "You own nothing and will be happy" means. Every time you attack that position it is painfully obvious that you don't understand the origin and meaning of that phrase.

 

[Wanted797]

I’d love a aluminium version of the iPhone 5C case.

In iPhone mini form. That would be a beautiful phone.

But all I want is Apple to remove software locks. I’ll fight your stupid adhesive so long as I can swap my battery and screen.

 

[tripsync]

You need to go read up on what "You own nothing and will be happy" means.

Clearly you have no idea what eicca meant when he said you own nothing. His argument is using that in order to justify right to repair.

I own plenty of obsolete Apple well beyond Apple's servicing and I still stand by my argument that the downsides of changing design to accommodate right to repair does not outweigh the upsides. If you can't understand that (which is becoming very apparent), then I can't help you. Either that or you're simply ignoring what I wrote.

By your logic, Apple may as well make a super ultra thick phone where every single part is super modular and replaceable as easy as playing legos, just for the sake of right to repair and if you go against this, you don't understand anything, right? 🤦‍♂️

 

[HVDynamo]

Clearly you have no idea what eicca meant when he said you own nothing. His argument is using that in order to justify right to repair.

I own plenty of obsolete Apple well beyond Apple's servicing and I still stand by my argument that the downsides of changing design to accommodate right to repair does not outweigh the upsides. If you can't understand that (which is becoming very apparent), then I can't help you. Either that or you're simply ignoring what I wrote.

By your logic, Apple may as well make a super ultra thick phone where every single part is super modular and replaceable as easy as playing legos, just for the sake of right to repair and if you go against this, you don't understand anything, right? 🤦‍♂️

What are you even on about now? I know exactly what eicca meant. You are again showing you don't understand the phrase...

The point is that the downsides to not accomodating right to repair has a vastly worse long term outcome than any small benefit there is to be gained today. What your stance shows is that you cannot grasp the long term implications of granting the companies further control of the products we must use to be a part of society these days. The path we are headed down is a dangerous one, but you seem all too happy to go that path.

 

[I7guy]

Honestly, whatever miniscule detailed improvements you are seeing, they are insignificant. We always we think we need better. I just finished watching a series Peter Jennings did in the 90’s called America: This Century. Its pretty much 640 x 480 upload, yet I enjoyed everyone of the episodes and saw all the details of the different eras without any concern.

My max to the i14PM are not minuscule improvements all around. If you think those differences are minuscule we clearly have different definitions of “minuscule.”

 

[switz]

Meanwhile at the car dealership where most items cost tens of thousands of dollars, there are darn few parts the casual user can "repair" and even that small number seems to decrease with each successive model. The shade tree mechanic of the 50s and 60s is only in the memories of those of us in our 70s now.

The mechanics of that era could actually rebuild an alternator. Today the mechanics are mostly parts changers. You only needed a diode but now have to buy the whole alternator assembly.

Todays transmissions are non-field repairable.

My Heathkit electronic kits I built in the 60s and 70s are now all solid state equipment.

So the iPhone is not repairable per se. You just change out sub assemblies. That is what we have today.

 

[4252821]

Clearly you have no idea what eicca meant when he said you own nothing. His argument is using that in order to justify right to repair.

I own plenty of obsolete Apple well beyond Apple's servicing and I still stand by my argument that the downsides of changing design to accommodate right to repair does not outweigh the upsides. If you can't understand that (which is becoming very apparent), then I can't help you. Either that or you're simply ignoring what I wrote.

By your logic, Apple may as well make a super ultra thick phone where every single part is super modular and replaceable as easy as playing legos, just for the sake of right to repair and if you go against this, you don't understand anything, right? 🤦‍♂️

If you read what he said, you’d realize that you are just making a strawman up because you have a weak argument with no facts to back it up.

 

[Mr. Dee]

My max to the i14PM are not minuscule improvements all around. If you think those differences are minuscule we clearly have different definitions of “minuscule.”

More power to you if you get satisfaction upgrading every year. Its better for my stocks anyway.

 

[I7guy]

More power to you if you get satisfaction upgrading every year. It’s better for my stocks anyway.

My upgrades also bolster ny stocks . So there is that. But a little off-topic to this thread.

 

[tripsync]

i'm not a professional photographer, but 48MP proraw is certainly a huge jump in quality and i'm glad i upgraded before a few of my international trips.

really wish iphone can also take 12mp live photos with 48MP captures. live photos is super underated.

 

[mrr]

Every Apple device should make it easy to replace the Battery, HD, and RAM.

 

[svish]

Good to know. But don’t think Apple will ever reduce the cost for repair services

 

[bgillander]

So by your reasoning if you do not possess the ability or equipment to fix any object you own then you don't own that object?

It's amusing how this hysteria doesn't apply to other consumer items like washing machines, tumble dryers, water boilers etc you know, objects that actually take up serious space in landfill.

Wait, has some company started making those in versions you cannot repair? I’ve replaced the agitator on my washer, the door shutoff switch on my dryer, and the heating element in my original water heater. I did replace that water heater after the tank itself started leaking, and at that point a replacement seemed actually necessary. The newer appliances seem less sturdy, but I hope they are not completely unrepairable.

 

[bgillander]

Meanwhile at the car dealership where most items cost tens of thousands of dollars, there are darn few parts the casual user can "repair" and even that small number seems to decrease with each successive model. The shade tree mechanic of the 50s and 60s is only in the memories of those of us in our 70s now.

The mechanics of that era could actually rebuild an alternator. Today the mechanics are mostly parts changers. You only needed a diode but now have to buy the whole alternator assembly.

Todays transmissions are non-field repairable.

My Heathkit electronic kits I built in the 60s and 70s are now all solid state equipment.

So the iPhone is not repairable per se. You just change out sub assemblies. That is what we have today.

The computer industry has been built of sub assemblies from at least the 90s, and the repairing of them has involved replacing parts because of that. Making that replacement intentionally difficult seems the problem to me.

I would still expect the vast majority of people to just go through Apple rather than fix it themselves, so this affects a low percentage of people that actually care, and multiple Apple Stores that should now be able to do repairs more easily.

 

[bgillander]

Every Apple device should make it easy to replace the Battery, HD, and RAM.

As much as I used to love being able to replace those on my old MacBooks, it is hard to make the RAM easily replaceable when it is part of the M Series CPU module. (Apparently not impossible, as I seem to recall seeing some stories of crazy mods, but these are no longer SIMM modules that one can just easily swap.)

 

[Sebalto]

If the use of a product requires the manufacturer to remain involved AFTER you've paid in full for it, whether that's running a server or requiring their authorization to perform a repair, you don't own it.

Nobody owns their iPhone because Apple can lock us out at any time if they so decided.

I DO own my classic Mac Pro because there's not a dang thing they can do to keep me from using it however the hell I want.

Who says it doesn't apply to other areas? It absolutely does. I pursue older fixable appliances/cars/etc for that very reason.

iPhones don't require the manufacturer to "remain involved" after you bought one. What on earth are you talking about?

Why don't you approach anyone who has a car (paid off) and convince them that because they don't know how to repair every conceivable possible fault on that car, instead having to rely on the dealer or independent mechanic, that they don't "own" their car. Laughable.

 

[Sebalto]

Wait, has some company started making those in versions you cannot repair? I’ve replaced the agitator on my washer, the door shutoff switch on my dryer, and the heating element in my original water heater. I did replace that water heater after the tank itself started leaking, and at that point a replacement seemed actually necessary. The newer appliances seem less sturdy, but I hope they are not completely unrepairable.

Good for you. My point was that not everybody can perform their own repairs, and will have to defer to the knowledge and expertise of 3rd parties, which by the loony definition of ownership set forth by another poster means that they don't "own" those appliances.

 

[4252821]

Good for you. My point was that not everybody can perform their own repairs, and will have to defer to the knowledge and expertise of 3rd parties, which by the loony definition of ownership set forth by another poster means that they don't "own" those appliances.

You will own nothing and like it refers more to the arbitrary restrictions on repair set forth by companies. In this case, a user could choose to repair it themselves, or take it to a reputable 3rd party repair shop for board level repair. Requiring that repair only be done at an approved vendor is contrary to the principals of property ownership.

 

[Sebalto]

You will own nothing and like it refers more to the arbitrary restrictions on repair set forth by companies. In this case, a user could choose to repair it themselves, or take it to a reputable 3rd party repair shop for board level repair. Requiring that repair only be done at an approved vendor is contrary to the principals of property ownership.

I agree, but nobody is telling me where and where I can't get my goods repaired.

 

[Substance90]

Here's a crazy repairability idea - how about skip the glass on the back of the phone so that when it drops, you only have to replace a screen and not also the back case...

 

[eicca]

Here's a crazy repairability idea - how about skip the glass on the back of the phone so that when it drops, you only have to replace a screen and not also the back case...

But then they wouldn’t have another revenue strategy to tell their shareholders about.