iPhone 15 Pro Said to Be Easier to Repair Like iPhone 14 and 14 Plus

[cmcbhi]

The problem is that companies have been actively removing or making the option to use aftermarket parts more limited. Have you not been paying attention to this discussion at all? Seriously. It's like you want to argue for the sake of arguing rather than discussing the actual issue. That's why everyone is happy Apple is actually making things more repairable. But they have been doing it in a dumb way that makes it more difficult to do so without apples blessing which is why there is still criticism.

To add... if a feature is broken because apple decides to detect an aftermarket display and just choose to restrict 120Hz down to 60Hz, that doesn't count as me "breaking" a feature. Apple broke it because they don't want you buying aftermarket parts. If I accidentally jam my screwdriver into my camera module while repairing the screen and now the camera stops working, then yes it would be on me in that case; but no one is suggesting apple should be responsible for you messing up your self repair.

I just don’t see that restricting repairs to OEM parts as a problem. Does your “aftermarket” display have the same performance requirements the original? How do you know? Why didn’t you buy the part from Apple?

 

[Will Co]

Saying hybrids are bad and money is better spent on pure EVs + renewable grid and researching closed loop lifecycle is quite literally the solution.

Similarly, right to repair is bad and money is better spent on closed loop iPhone production is quite literally the solution.

Maybe don't twist what I'm saying.

I’m not twisting it. I’m disagreeing with you.

 

[Will Co]

Your approach will have no effect on the environmen. Just the additional removable connects will increase pollution.

Your argument is plainly wrong. Adding a few miniature connectors is tiny compared to the overall environmental saving of extending the life of the device by facilitating servicing, repair and battery replacement. An extremely small negative versus a large positive. Net benefit.

 

[tripsync]

I’m not twisting it. I’m disagreeing with you.

I never said "it's only a partial solution". It's not a solution at all. You are quite literally twisting it.

 

[_Spinn_]

Better repairability is a good thing.

 

[4252821]

I never said "it's only a partial solution". It's not a solution at all. You are quite literally twisting it.

Kinda hard not to when your “argument,” if you could even call it that, is so disjointed and nonsensical.

 

[TallManNY]

You know what wouldn't need to be repaired on the back? A plastic back.
Well it doesn't really matter since 90% of us will just put our phones in a case. But I can dream about an iPhone that is significantly thinner to use because it doesn't have to be put in a case.

 

[bgillander]

“even though we like the company, it has some warts that need fixing.‘
Thats a matter of opinion. What you see as a wart, I see as a feature. Just for grins, how many repairs of Apple products have you done? A product that needs repairs is probably many generations too old with few desirable features, so, is not worth repairing. That said, Apple now offers Apple Care by the month that will cover repairs as long as you make the payments. So, why should they go to the expense of ‘making it more “repairable’”?

Where is this theory coming from that there is some major expense to making it more repairable? The iPhone 14 was the first “more repairable” model and the price didn’t go up. There is a rumour the 15 might cost more, but blaming that on the repairability makes no sense, or the 14 should have cost more. You might as well blame it on the number 5 obviously costing Apple more than the number 4, for all the logic involved.

As far as an old product not being worth repairing, if the cell’s radio band is still active, a cell phone still works as a phone, at the very least. As for the Mac, I like to keep at least one old model to keep running old software to open old projects. I love new electronics, but they seldom make my old electronics obsolete.

 

[bgillander]

“even though we like the company, it has some warts that need fixing.‘
Thats a matter of opinion. What you see as a wart, I see as a feature. Just for grins, how many repairs of Apple products have you done? A product that needs repairs is probably many generations too old with few desirable features, so, is not worth repairing. That said, Apple now offers Apple Care by the month that will cover repairs as long as you make the payments. So, why should they go to the expense of ‘making it more “repairable’”?

And FYI, that “will cover repairs as long as you make payments” comment is pretty much validating that whole “your don’t really own it” argument the others were making earlier.

 

[Eorlas]

Yeah at the cost of being more expensive.

Congrats right to repair people, you just forced everyone to pay more for the iPhone just so that the few people like you and Louis Rossman can spend an hour swapping a battery to save a few bucks while everyone else continues using Apple service.

I knew this was going to happen.
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yes. blame the common person for desiring repairability out of their electronics, instead of the companies that have multi trillion dollar market caps, and still try to render their devices difficult *and* outrageously expensive to repair.

my iphone looks literally like the picture in the article. it's $500 to cover that.

and they're so petty about their approach to their current repair program, that they make the site look NOTHING like an Apple-branded page, just to make it appear unofficial.

but yeah, your enemy isnt the multi trillion dollar company. they definitely have your best interests at heart.

 

[bluecoast]

Yeah at the cost of being more expensive.

Congrats right to repair people, you just forced everyone to pay more for the iPhone just so that the few people like you and Louis Rossman can spend an hour swapping a battery to save a few bucks while everyone else continues using Apple service.

I knew this was going to happen.
🤦‍♂️

I think the rumoured titanium case and periscope camera system will have more to do with this. Plus inflation.

Plus Apple can plainly see that there's not much price sensitivity at the top end (compare the sales with the plus compared to the pro, for example).

And those Galaxy high end phones aren't getting cheaper either but people are still buying them.

 

[tripsync]

yes. blame the common person for desiring repairability out of their electronics, instead of the companies that have multi trillion dollar market caps, and still try to render their devices difficult *and* outrageously expensive to repair.

my iphone looks literally like the picture in the article. it's $500 to cover that.

Why stop there?

Why not demand super thick phones and make every component a lego piece so that it takes you 30 seconds to swap out a component? Make it ultra expensive just to satisfy your repair desires.

and they're so petty about their approach to their current repair program, that they make the site look NOTHING like an Apple-branded page, just to make it appear unofficial.

but yeah, your enemy isnt the multi trillion dollar company. they definitely have your best interests at heart.

that's freaking hilarious. so you want Apple to spend even more money just to make the site look beautiful, increasing prices even more.

oh yeah, multi trillion dollar company, they must now make $0 off of every device because they're rich and they don't deserve anymore profits. give me a break.

 

[tripsync]

I think the rumoured titanium case and periscope camera system will have more to do with this. Plus inflation.

Well for one, price increases is not just for this generation. Apple doesn't want to increase year over year, so more than likely for future generations which is looking to be more repair friendly.

And iPhone 12 Pro got a complete redesign, 5G chip which is quite expensive, magsafe feature, lidar, etc...yet remained the same price in the US. This upcoming phone doesn't look like a major redesign.

Periscope is exclusive to Max it seems, doesn't explain the non-max price increase.

iPhone 15 is borrowing features from the 14 Pro like dynamic island and A16. It's looking like iPhone 15 is increasing margins and therefore Apple is comfortable with losing 15 Pro customers to 15.

 

[cmcbhi]

But that's the general trend the industry has been seeing lately and the reason for all the right to repair push. John Deere is one of the worst offenders in this regard, and other industries are heading down the same path, just not as far along as John Deere. Apple has been serializing parts so it can detect if it has a non-official display, or other part in the phone. That is anti-consumer as it limits the operation of the phone by disabling certain features just because you got a display from somewhere else or they didn't have the tool to pair them. I don't like being told what part I can and cannot use to fix something I have that is broken.

Auto analogy.
You buy a $120,000 Mercedes. You or your shade tree mechanic put in a new electronic governor. Now your expensive toy only rune 45 MPH, runs roughly and the A/C doesn't work. You take it to the dealer who sees what you have done and tells you to go fly a kite.
What's the difference?
You have the right to repair so long as you do it right.

 

[cmcbhi]

And FYI, that “will cover repairs as long as you make payments” comment is pretty much validating that whole “your don’t really own it” argument the others were making earlier.

SO?

 

[bgillander]

Auto analogy.
You buy a $120,000 Mercedes. You or your shade tree mechanic put in a new electronic governor. Now your expensive toy only rune 45 MPH, runs roughly and the A/C doesn't work. You take it to the dealer who sees what you have done and tells you to go fly a kite.
What's the difference?
You have the right to repair so long as you do it right.

Real world auto analogy: https://automotiveaftermarket.org/magnuson-moss/magnuson-moss-warranty-act/

 

[tripsync]

Apple: "here's a device where you don't control many of the things like installation of OS, app store, repairability, etc..."
Right to repair people: "OOOH *buys*"
Also right to repair people: "WAIT, I can't control the OS, app store, repairability, etc...? I don't own the device? This is a scam!"

🤦‍♂️

 

[Mrkevinfinnerty]

Apple: "here's a device where you don't control many of the things like installation of OS, app store, repairability, etc..."
Right to repair people: "OOOH *buys*"
Also right to repair people: "WAIT, I can't control the OS, app store, repairability, etc...? I don't own the device? This is a scam!"

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Yeah because they openly advertise that stuff don't they?

 

[tripsync]

Yeah because they openly advertise that stuff don't they?

don't know what your argument is. but sounds a customer didn't do their research if it comes at a shock.

 

[Mrkevinfinnerty]

don't know what your argument is. but sounds a customer didn't do their research if it comes at a shock.

Your post heavily implies that Apple are completely upfront about the non repairability of their devices. They are not.

 

[tripsync]

Your post heavily implies that Apple are completely upfront about the non repairability of their devices. They are not.

so my second part was right "but sounds a customer didn't do their research if it comes at a shock."

 

[HVDynamo]

Auto analogy.
You buy a $120,000 Mercedes. You or your shade tree mechanic put in a new electronic governor. Now your expensive toy only rune 45 MPH, runs roughly and the A/C doesn't work. You take it to the dealer who sees what you have done and tells you to go fly a kite.
What's the difference?
You have the right to repair so long as you do it right.

I don't understand the point of this response. No one is saying Mercedes should cover them in this instance (Where the repair has a direct negative impact on performance). Yes, repairing your own things can come with some risk if you don't know what your are doing or make a mistake. But we should be allowed to make the choice to take that risk or not.

 

[bgillander]

Your post heavily implies that Apple are completely upfront about the non repairability of their devices. They are not.

I find the strangest trend is that some here argue it is Apple’s right to do whatever they want with their hardware, and then complain when Apple designs their hardware to be easier to repair. It at least feels like this move is in a better direction.

 

[quarkysg]

I don't understand the point of this response. No one is saying Mercedes should cover them in this instance (Where the repair has a direct negative impact on performance). Yes, repairing your own things can come with some risk if you don't know what your are doing or make a mistake. But we should be allowed to make the choice to take that risk or not.

Are you claiming that Apple is (actively?) stopping owners of Apple made devices from repairing their devices?

If that is so, I guess I'm lucky that Apple did not come get me cause I have replaced my iPhones' batteries and touch screens with cheap parts ordered online.

Wonder why Apple didn't come get all those shops sprouting all over where I live claiming to be able to repair Apple iDevices. Pretty sure they are not approved by Apple.

So Apple get chastised because not ALL of it's devices' parts (laws of physics not withstanding) can be replaced by third party, while Mercedes gets a pass because some of their car parts cannot be replaced by third part components?

Kind of biased don't you think?

 

[tripsync]

very apparent that either you didn't read or do not understand my post because you are clearly putting words in my mouth ... but whatever suits you, keep going ...

clearly you didn't understand what I said and you're making weird accusations, so what?