iPhone 16 Pro Expected to Support '5G Advanced' With Qualcomm's Snapdragon X75 Modem

[Pezimak]

It’s complete madness to turn 3G off at this point I think. There are still places in the UK and not necessarily too rural where 4G is still not available and 3G is the only connection. I am off to West Wales in a couple of hours and its people who are living out there for example who will lose out unless 4G can be extended to those areas. I suppose as long as those in cities are ok it is out of sight out of mind.

Absolutely, the idea though is if they turn off 3G it will free up spectrum to an able them to boost the 4G, but some have said they have been in areas where it was turned off and all it did was leave them with black spots! So I don’t have my hopes up. Ive seen speeds of some who go on holiday in Europe where mmWave is used, and through the roaming sharing scheme with providers in those countries they get 2GBPS speeds!

We really need either existing masts changed into 5G and any masts that are required to boost it, not silly speeds but something around 70mbps up, or 4G to be properly boosted, if the 3G is going.
But naturally they are now discussing 6G with its theoretical throughput of 1TBS… Thankfully though British providers have said that WILL be a much slower rollout, I think they are hurting financially from this 5G roll out, so it’s lesson learnt.
Still ridiculous it’s 2023 and you can’t get a half decent mobile signal everywhere here in the UK, let alone countries the size of America.

 

[The-Real-Deal82]

Absolutely, the idea though is if they turn off 3G it will free up spectrum to an able them to boost the 4G, but some have said they have been in areas where it was turned off and all it did was leave them with black spots! So I don’t have my hopes up. Ive seen speeds of some who go on holiday in Europe where mmWave is used, and through the roaming sharing scheme with providers in those countries they get 2GBPS speeds!

We really need either existing masts changed into 5G and any masts that are required to boost it, not silly speeds but something around 70mbps up, or 4G to be properly boosted, if the 3G is going.
But naturally they are now discussing 6G with its theoretical throughput of 1TBS… Thankfully though British providers have said that WILL be a much slower rollout, I think they are hurting financially from this 5G roll out, so it’s lesson learnt.
Still ridiculous it’s 2023 and you can’t get a half decent mobile signal everywhere here in the UK, let alone countries the size of America.

A couple of months back I was in Palma Mallorca and the 5G speeds there were nearly twice the speed of in central London. Hilarious when you think of Britain’s history with inventing a lot of the technologies used in telecommunications.

 

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Absolutely hilarious. I was wondering if the conspiracy theory cultists would come up with something sinister about the recent national alert test. And I wasn’t disappointed.

I signed-in simply to ❤️ this comment

 

[bushman4]

While the iPhone 16 will support advanced 5G most likely the carriers are not on board yet
Just like when 5G came about

 

[Fandroid killer]

5G has been the biggest dud in recent tech memory. I'm not saying it's not an improvement, but it was marketed as a game changer and it certainly doesn't seem to have lived up to that billing.

That's because they flat out lied about it and when it came out it was 1/10th the speeds they claimed

 

[davidf18]

c-band 5guw on occasions but otherwise just 5g. mind you i'm on 37th floor.

I'm 29th floor and no problem, 5Guw, c-band. Also 12th floor no problem. I use it throughout Manhattan and generally have not had problems reaching c-band.

Are you using the iPhone 15 Pro (Max)? The modem upgrades significantly YoY. The RF electronics were upgraded with the iPhone 14 series. In NYC market, professionals should upgrade yearly on Verizon.

 

[davidf18]

My interest is the latest QC modems is not so much for speed, but power usage and ability to connect with a tower. On my 14PM, I could feel the extra heat just putting it in the pocket when off WiFi. For the 15PM, still too new to have really tested much, but anything helps.

Also, I was dreading getting the first gen of an Apple modem. Glad it may be 2025+ or even never to have to wait until they really catchup with QC.

Sacha Segan of PC Mag did a review of the X70 modem, which is used by the iPhone 15, in the Samsung s23 and it is a huge improvement with weak signals (< 120 dBm ) compared with the X65 in the iPhone 14.

I do yearly upgrades precisely for the modem upgrades and the RF electronic upgrades (last upgraded in the iPhone 14).

 

[davidf18]

Absolutely, the idea though is if they turn off 3G it will free up spectrum to an able them to boost the 4G, but some have said they have been in areas where it was turned off and all it did was leave them with black spots! So I don’t have my hopes up. Ive seen speeds of some who go on holiday in Europe where mmWave is used, and through the roaming sharing scheme with providers in those countries they get 2GBPS speeds!

We really need either existing masts changed into 5G and any masts that are required to boost it, not silly speeds but something around 70mbps up, or 4G to be properly boosted, if the 3G is going.
But naturally they are now discussing 6G with its theoretical throughput of 1TBS… Thankfully though British providers have said that WILL be a much slower rollout, I think they are hurting financially from this 5G roll out, so it’s lesson learnt.
Still ridiculous it’s 2023 and you can’t get a half decent mobile signal everywhere here in the UK, let alone countries the size of America.

They are turning off the 3G to refarm the spectrum for 5G.

 

[davidf18]

That's because they flat out lied about it and when it came out it was 1/10th the speeds they claimed

I get 200 - 400 Mbps downloads on 5Guw (c-band midrange) on Verizon on the iPhone 15 Pro Max. I think most of your complaints are because you aren't near 5Guw towers and to upgrade to the most recent iPhones.
But the 5G certainly does work and it works really well for tethering as well as normal use on the iPhone and the iPad.

 

[Pezimak]

They are turning off the 3G to refarm the spectrum for 5G.

AND 4G, the spectrum use used for both, there are a LOT of places in the UK that get weak 4G and 3G is used, and no plans for 5G exist.

 

[ilikewhey]

I'm 29th floor and no problem, 5Guw, c-band. Also 12th floor no problem. I use it throughout Manhattan and generally have not had problems reaching c-band.

Are you using the iPhone 15 Pro (Max)? The modem upgrades significantly YoY. The RF electronics were upgraded with the iPhone 14 series. In NYC market, professionals should upgrade yearly on Verizon.

no i'm on 13 pro, i got 2 months left in payment with verizon, tried to pay off early but they won't let me.

 

[glowplug]

Good news: 5G Advanced
Bad news: fail France's SAR test again

 

[davidf18]

no i'm on 13 pro, i got 2 months left in payment with verizon, tried to pay off early but they won't let me.

Interesting. Try using the Verizon yearly upgrade plan which I use. You only half to pay for half the phone costs and then you can upgrade.

I'll bet you see a big difference with the 15 Pro (Max). If you do have comms issues reaching towers, talk with Verizon tier 2 support as well. It might be the phone settings or you may have to reset the network.

 

[davidf18]

AND 4G, the spectrum use used for both, there are a LOT of places in the UK that get weak 4G and 3G is used, and no plans for 5G exist.

I've been reading about the telcos in Europe in the Financial Times. The come across as very poorly run, at least in major countries, eg, not Finland. They actually want to finance their last mile and cell buildout by having Netflix, Google, Meta, Disney+ and other streamers pay them.
If they had good management, they would do what the rest of the world, eg, USA, Canada, Australia, China, Korea, Japan, Taiwan, does it which is to offer plants that are 5G (c-band) for higher prices for customers that want it.

When Verizon, my provider, first came put with 5G on the iPhone 12 Pro Max, you had to buy the high-end unlimited plan.

At any rate, your poor service is because of poor telco management. The UK government should force the firms to upgrade to 5G (c-band) or risk losing their license to operate.

 

[ilikewhey]

Interesting. Try using the Verizon yearly upgrade plan which I use. You only half to pay for half the phone costs and then you can upgrade.

I'll bet you see a big difference with the 15 Pro (Max). If you do have comms issues reaching towers, talk with Verizon tier 2 support as well. It might be the phone settings or you may have to reset the network.

lol if i was single sure, not having 5guw ain't too bad, company just upgraded their wifi so its been pretty reliable so far.

 

[FireFish]

Apple's next-generation iPhone 16 Pro and iPhone 16 Pro Max will be equipped with Qualcomm's latest cellular modem, according to technology analyst Jeff Pu, enabling faster and more power efficient 5G connectivity for the devices.

In a research note this week with investment firm Haitong International Securities, Pu said the iPhone 16 Pro and iPhone 16 Pro Max will be equipped with Qualcomm's Snapdragon X75 modem. However, he expects the standard iPhone 16 and iPhone 16 Plus to retain the Snapdragon X70 modem used for the entire iPhone 15 lineup. Apple has typically used the same Qualcomm modem across all models for each generation of iPhones, excluding the low-end iPhone SE, so this would be a change in strategy for the company.

Announced in February 2023, the Snapdragon X75 features improved carrier aggregation and other technology advancements for faster 5G download and upload speeds compared to the X70. The modem's combined mmWave and sub-6GHz 5G transceiver takes up 25% less circuit board space, and uses up to 20% less power, according to The Verge.

The Snapdragon X75 also supports the latest "5G Advanced" standard, which is described as "the next phase of 5G" and an "evolution towards 6G." 5G Advanced will include artificial intelligence and machine learning enhancements for improved 5G performance, and it will also expand 5G to additional types of devices and use cases.

Apple is likely to market the iPhone 16 Pro models as featuring "5G Advanced," much like the iPhone 6s gained support for "LTE Advanced" in 2015.

Apple is rumored to have been working on its own 5G modem for iPhones since 2018, but the project has reportedly faced development challenges, and the modem is not expected to be announced until 2025 or later should it ever materialize. In the meantime, Apple extended its 5G modem agreement with Qualcomm through 2026.

Apple should announce the iPhone 16 lineup in September 2024, so there is still plenty of time remaining until the devices launch.

Article Link: iPhone 16 Pro Expected to Support '5G Advanced' With Qualcomm's Snapdragon X75 Modem

Just another reason not to spring for the iPhone 15 Pro Max and to wait for the next.

 

[Pezimak]

I've been reading about the telcos in Europe in the Financial Times. The come across as very poorly run, at least in major countries, eg, not Finland. They actually want to finance their last mile and cell buildout by having Netflix, Google, Meta, Disney+ and other streamers pay them.
If they had good management, they would do what the rest of the world, eg, USA, Canada, Australia, China, Korea, Japan, Taiwan, does it which is to offer plants that are 5G (c-band) for higher prices for customers that want it.

When Verizon, my provider, first came put with 5G on the iPhone 12 Pro Max, you had to buy the high-end unlimited plan.

At any rate, your poor service is because of poor telco management. The UK government should force the firms to upgrade to 5G (c-band) or risk losing their license to operate.

I live in the UK, and in some countries in Europe they have VERY fast speeds and good coverage. The UK issue is down to government and planning application laws, and investment barriers.

 

[xpxp2002]

When Verizon, my provider, first came put with 5G on the iPhone 12 Pro Max, you had to buy the high-end unlimited plan.

Which is actually the less desirable approach.

Keep in mind that, from the provider's perspective, 5G (or any generational upgrade, for that matter) isn't really about selling you faster speeds. Admittedly, it is a positive side effect that marketing departments are happy to promote. But the real benefit to the provider is increased capacity. And for that reason, they should be removing every reasonable road block to getting their customers onto the more efficient network and spectrum. Ultimately, the carrier's investment in 5G infrastructure is realized as more customers offload their usage from bandwidth-limited low- and lower mid-band spectrum to the wider channels opened up by the more recent auctions.

AT&T basically did that. While they did implement it in waves, AT&T eventually opened up "5G" to nearly all of their current postpaid and prepaid plans. I believe some legacy postpaid plans also have access. Though, those are often limited 1-15 GB data bucket plans, where the capacity impact of migrating is likely minimal. Admittedly, they still have a long way to go with n77 deployment, geographically. But they removed the artificial limiting factors. If you're not getting 5G on AT&T, it's because of network buildout/physical infrastructure that's needed, not a particular billing code.

Verizon, in particular, is in a precarious place spectrum-wise. While they desperately need to offload every megabit of traffic possible away from B13 (and in many markets, even B2 and B66); marketing and profit-first leadership (i.e. Hans) seem to have taken the reins from engineering and are willing to sacrifice network stability and customer satisfaction for short-term gains. And by that, I mean they locked out "5G Ultra Wideband" (where virtually all of their capacity is now) to the most expensive plans. Instead of utilizing that massive 140 MHz of n77 and 600+ MHz of mmWave for capacity relief of the constrained 10x10 B13, 20x20 B66, and 5x5-20x20 B2 spectrum that underpins nearly the entirety of their LTE network, they are using it as a marketing ploy to upsell customers having an unsatisfactory experience (likely due to the induced/intentionally unalleviated congestion on legacy spectrum) to more expensive plans that include access to n77 and n261.

Also keeping in mind that mid-band is an underlay (it doesn't reach deep inside buildings and far from cell sites due to natural properties of the frequency and power limits), and that many customers still have phones that don't support 5G, they should be striving to get as many customers as possible using "5G" to reserve the limited low-band capacity for customers who are in locations where only B13 reaches. As a result of the current strategy, Verizon is effectively punishing customers in areas with poorer network coverage for the customers who choose to stay on legacy plans and devices. It's completely backwards from a customer-centric mentality. And as millions of customers have been leaving Verizon in droves for T-Mobile and AT&T due to this years-long congestion mismanagement, it appears that the strategy as a whole is a slow-rolling backfire that will enrich the current leadership with short-term gains and long-term losses as it will take another half-decade or longer to fix Verizon's network with a lot of C-band, geographically, yet to be deployed, tons of new macros and small cells that will be needed to fill in mid-band coverage gaps, and then new marketing to rebuild the reputation of network superiority from the 2000s and 2010s that they squandered these few short years in order to squeeze out a little more profit on the backs of disenfranchised customers.

 

[davidf18]

AND 4G, the spectrum use used for both, there are a LOT of places in the UK that get weak 4G and 3G is used, and no plans for 5G exist.

I've been reading about the telcos in Europe in the Financial Times. The come across as very poorly run, at least in major countries, eg, not Finland. They actually want to finance their last mile and cell buildout by having Netflix, Google, Meta, Disney+ and other streamers pay them.
If they had good management, they would do what the rest of the world, eg, USA, Canada, Australia, China, Korea, Japan, Taiwan, does it which is to offer plants that are 5G (c-band) for higher prices for customers that want it.

When Verizon, my provider, first came put with 5G on the iPhone 12 Pro Max, you had to buy the high-end unlimited plan.

At any rate, your poor service is because of poor telco management. The UK government should force the firms to upgrade to 5G (c-band) or risk losing their license to operate.

I live in the UK, and in some countries in Europe they have VERY fast speeds and good coverage. The UK issue is down to government and planning application laws, and investment barriers.

Well, I'm glad a lot of Europe does have high capacity cell access. I distinctly recall that FT article (really two different ones) where the telcos wanted to charge Netflix, Amazon, Meta, Google,... for their network upgrades instead of simply passing the costs on to customers as in done in the US.

Which major other countries in Europe have high capacity cell access?

 

[davidf18]

Which is actually the less desirable approach.

Keep in mind that, from the provider's perspective, 5G (or any generational upgrade, for that matter) isn't really about selling you faster speeds. Admittedly, it is a positive side effect that marketing departments are happy to promote. But the real benefit to the provider is increased capacity. And for that reason, they should be removing every reasonable road block to getting their customers onto the more efficient network and spectrum. Ultimately, the carrier's investment in 5G infrastructure is realized as more customers offload their usage from bandwidth-limited low- and lower mid-band spectrum to the wider channels opened up by the more recent auctions.

AT&T basically did that. While they did implement it in waves, AT&T eventually opened up "5G" to nearly all of their current postpaid and prepaid plans. I believe some legacy postpaid plans also have access. Though, those are often limited 1-15 GB data bucket plans, where the capacity impact of migrating is likely minimal. Admittedly, they still have a long way to go with n77 deployment, geographically. But they removed the artificial limiting factors. If you're not getting 5G on AT&T, it's because of network buildout/physical infrastructure that's needed, not a particular billing code.

Verizon, in particular, is in a precarious place spectrum-wise. While they desperately need to offload every megabit of traffic possible away from B13 (and in many markets, even B2 and B66); marketing and profit-first leadership (i.e. Hans) seem to have taken the reins from engineering and are willing to sacrifice network stability and customer satisfaction for short-term gains. And by that, I mean they locked out "5G Ultra Wideband" (where virtually all of their capacity is now) to the most expensive plans. Instead of utilizing that massive 140 MHz of n77 and 600+ MHz of mmWave for capacity relief of the constrained 10x10 B13, 20x20 B66, and 5x5-20x20 B2 spectrum that underpins nearly the entirety of their LTE network, they are using it as a marketing ploy to upsell customers having an unsatisfactory experience (likely due to the induced/intentionally unalleviated congestion on legacy spectrum) to more expensive plans that include access to n77 and n261.

Also keeping in mind that mid-band is an underlay (it doesn't reach deep inside buildings and far from cell sites due to natural properties of the frequency and power limits), and that many customers still have phones that don't support 5G, they should be striving to get as many customers as possible using "5G" to reserve the limited low-band capacity for customers who are in locations where only B13 reaches. As a result of the current strategy, Verizon is effectively punishing customers in areas with poorer network coverage for the customers who choose to stay on legacy plans and devices. It's completely backwards from a customer-centric mentality. And as millions of customers have been leaving Verizon in droves for T-Mobile and AT&T due to this years-long congestion mismanagement, it appears that the strategy as a whole is a slow-rolling backfire that will enrich the current leadership with short-term gains and long-term losses as it will take another half-decade or longer to fix Verizon's network with a lot of C-band, geographically, yet to be deployed, tons of new macros and small cells that will be needed to fill in mid-band coverage gaps, and then new marketing to rebuild the reputation of network superiority from the 2000s and 2010s that they squandered these few short years in order to squeeze out a little more profit on the backs of disenfranchised customers.

Thank you for the detailed information.

Verizon is now deploying the final amount of their c-band spectrum which will be from 140 Mhz to 200 Mhz depending on the market. I use tethering for security reasons away from home/work and I like the increases in tethering allowance. 4G had 30 GB limit, 5Guw, 50 GB and the iPad Pro another 30 GB. Now with the newer unlimited ultimate it comes with 60 GB and you can purchase another 100 GB for $10/month.

I completely concur with your opinion that Verizon should have been putting more phones on n77, but I did have congestion problems between about 4 PM to 6 PM with the 14 Pro Max this past December because Verizon was loading the NYC towers with both home internet (should just use fiber in a very dense Manhattan market) and they put some MVNOs on the spectrum.
But that cleared up in January when presumably Verizon lit more of the original 60 Mhz of n77.

The mid-band N77 doesn't reach far, and because of signals in NYC, I always yearly upgrade for the better Qualcomm modem and RF electronics (last updated on the 14 series) on the iPhone, now the iPhone 15 Pro Max.

Verizon says it’s weeks away from a major upgrade to rural 5G

Faster 5G for compatible phones and home internet is coming to more areas.

www.theverge.com

 

[Fandroid killer]

I get 200 - 400 Mbps downloads on 5Guw (c-band midrange) on Verizon on the iPhone 15 Pro Max. I think most of your complaints are because you aren't near 5Guw towers and to upgrade to the most recent iPhones.
But the 5G certainly does work and it works really well for tethering as well as normal use on the iPhone and the iPad.

Did you not read what I wrote? 5g promised multi Gigabit speeds. You just wrote you are getting Mbs proving my point. 5g was one giant lie

 

[davidf18]

Did you not read what I wrote? 5g promised multi Gigabit speeds. You just wrote you are getting Mbs proving my point. 5g was one giant lie

The 5Guw works really well. Have you tried it? I've gotten over 3K Mbits/sec download on the Columbia University campus where they have sub mm towers. These rates are available also at sports events.

But 5Guw is the real deal. Not certain why you're complaining about 200-400 Mbps downloads. Perhaps your phone is not up-to-date or you're not living somewhere with c-band mid-band N77 towers.

 

[Fandroid killer]

The 5Guw works really well. Have you tried it? I've gotten over 3K Mbits/sec download on the Columbia University campus where they have sub mm towers. These rates are available also at sports events.

But 5Guw is the real deal. Not certain why you're complaining about 200-400 Mbps downloads. Perhaps your phone is not up-to-date or you're not living somewhere with c-band mid-band N77 towers.

Just proved you have no capability of reading lmfao. Stop replying