Phones iPhone 4S vs Galaxy S3

[blairh]

Forget what I said about the LG Optimus 4X HD. Apparently there is an LG phone (LG Optimus LTE II) coming to Verizon potentially this summer that is like the 4X HD but with LTE and a physical home button. Woah.

 

[DodgeV83]

Here educate yourself: http://www.anandtech.com/show/5810/samsung-galaxy-s-iii-performance-preview

It's funny. For someone that doesn't even own an S2 or S3, as I do, and show you with evidence that you are wrong, by actually running benchmarks on both phones just now, you keep your head firmly stuck in the sand. You're like a 5 year old kid putting his hands over his ears saying, "La la la la. I can't hear you. La la la la"

That link actually substantiates my claim, showing that the US version is half the speed of the international version.

 

[0m3ga]

That link actually substantiates my claim, showing that the US version is half the speed of the international version.

I never said anything to the contrary. Everyone knows the quad core S3 has a better GPU score than any phone ever made. This was never in question. We also know why the US version didn't get the quad core... No support for LTE. This wasn't an intentional disparityto differentiate the int'l version with the US version, but a required neccessity. Do a little google search, for christ's sake.

However, YOU made claims that the S2 had a faster GPU than the S3. You also brought upthe 4S being faster in GPU performance over the S3 by showing that graphic. You intentionally lied or are simply ignorant. Either way, you have zero credbility in this discussion.
You pretending like you have a clue about anything related to the S3, or Android for that matter, shows how little you actually care about being honest, with yourself and this board. Please stop lying to people.

 

[Vegastouch]

Here educate yourself: http://www.anandtech.com/show/5810/samsung-galaxy-s-iii-performance-preview

It's funny. For someone that doesn't even own an S2 or S3, as I do, and show you with evidence that you are wrong, by actually running benchmarks on both phones just now, you keep your head firmly stuck in the sand. You're like a 5 year old kid putting his hands over his ears saying, "La la la la. I can't hear you. La la la la"

He does that a lot while also just repeating himself over and over. The graph he posted is the only industry accepted score.... Lol

 

[Lobwedgephil]

Just to jump in on this, having a 4s and a S3 as my work phone. I never liked email on the iPhone bc it was never as good as it was from blackberry, the only thing they still do well. But the my 4s now pretty much gets emails in real time, while my S3 doesn't unless you have a gmail account. I have multiple emails and it drives me crazy when I can't get them in almost real time.

That is the only flaw major flaw that I see in the S3 without gmail, which no one mentions. Otherwise they are both great phones.

 

[DodgeV83]

I never said anything to the contrary. Everyone knows the quad core S3 has a better GPU score than any phone ever made. This was never in question. We also know why the US version didn't get the quad core... No support for LTE. This wasn't an intentional disparityto differentiate the int'l version with the US version, but a required neccessity. Do a little google search, for christ's sake.

However, YOU made claims that the S2 had a faster GPU than the S3. You also brought upthe 4S being faster in GPU performance over the S3 by showing that graphic. You intentionally lied or are simply ignorant. Either way, you have zero credbility in this discussion.
You pretending like you have a clue about anything related to the S3, or Android for that matter, shows how little you actually care about being honest, with yourself and this board. Please stop lying to people.

Fact: The S2 beats the US S3 in the aforementioned GPU benchmark, the standard and most commonly used GPU benchmark for comparing mobile phone GPUs.

Fact: The iPhone 4S remains the best graphically performing phone in the US.

These are my claims, and you have shown nothing to disprove them.

 

[ChazUK]

Fact: The S2 beats the US S3 in the aforementioned GPU benchmark, the standard and most commonly used GPU benchmark for comparing mobile phone GPUs.

Fact: The iPhone 4S remains the best graphically performing phone in the US.

These are my claims, and you have shown nothing to disprove them.

That's the international S2 with the Mali400, I thought you were excluding international variants? I'm assuming all the LTE S2's are once again Snapdragon based?

I've also seen people post links where the HSPA+ i9300 are sold in the US. Any reason why these don't count?

 

[0m3ga]

That's the international S2 with the Mali400, I thought you were excluding international variants? I'm assuming all the LTE S2's are once again Snapdragon based?

I've also seen people post links where the HSPA+ i9300 are sold in the US. Any reason why these don't count?

It's pointless to argue with this guy. I have both US versions of the phones and run a benchmark showing he's wrong. I point him to Anandtech's website showing he is wrong. I'm not sure of any other way to show this guy that he looks and sounds like a fool. He IS the textbook version of the religiously Apple faithful. Doesn't matter what you say or prove, it won't be enough. He's simply blissful in his ignorance and chooses to be that way. There is no further reason for me to respond to anything he says.

 

[DodgeV83]

I point him to Anandtech's website showing he is wrong.

Show me where on the Anandtech website where it shows my following claims are incorrect, and I will admit to being wrong. Your link literally addresses none of my claims.

Fact: The S2 beats the US S3 in the aforementioned GPU benchmark, the standard and most commonly used GPU benchmark for comparing mobile phone GPUs.

Fact: The iPhone 4S remains the best graphically performing phone in the US.

 

[ChazUK]

Show me where on the Anandtech website where it shows my following claims are incorrect, and I will admit to being wrong. Your link literally addresses none of my claims.

Why is it OK to *include* the international S2 in your claims to then *exclude* the i9300?

Is this the reason?

 

[0m3ga]

Just to jump in on this, having a 4s and a S3 as my work phone. I never liked email on the iPhone bc it was never as good as it was from blackberry, the only thing they still do well. But the my 4s now pretty much gets emails in real time, while my S3 doesn't unless you have a gmail account. I have multiple emails and it drives me crazy when I can't get them in almost real time.

That is the only flaw major flaw that I see in the S3 without gmail, which no one mentions. Otherwise they are both great phones.

You can set mail servers like hotmail to Push. Just have to go into account and sync settings for your microsoft exchange server. Easy to do on the SIII.

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Show me where on the Anandtech website where it shows my following claims are incorrect, and I will admit to being wrong. Your link literally addresses none of my claims.

Look I know you aren't illterate, since you are posting on here. Is it hard for you to look at graphs that disprove what you choose to believe as fact?
Here is some spoon feeding for you, direct from the LINK i gave you! (Anandtech website by the way). And I guess me actually doing a benchmark test with both phones wasn't enough evidence for you? How about you conduct your own benchmark of the iP4s, S2 and S3. Oh that's right, you can't, since you have never owned an S2 or S3.

S3 GPU Performance: Insanely Fast
While we don't know the clocks of the Mali-400/MP4 GPU in the SGS3, it's obviously significantly quicker than its predecessor. Similar to what we saw when the Galaxy S II launched, Samsung once again takes the crown for fastest smartphone GPU in our performance tests.*

The onscreen GLBenchmark Egypt and Pro results are understandably v-sync limited, but if you look at how much headroom is available thanks to the faster GPU it's clear that the Galaxy S III should be able to handle newer, more complex games, better than its predecessor.

What's particularly insane is that Samsung is able to deliver better performance than the iPhone 4S, the previous king-of-the-GPU-hill in these tests.

 

[DodgeV83]

Why is it OK to *include* the international S2 in your claims to then *exclude* the i9300?

Is this the reason?

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If you look back at my posts in this thread earlier today (one page back), you'll see I acknowledged the international S3 has the best GPU performance of any phone ever.

That's not what we're talking about here. You guys/girls seem like pretty knowledgable people, is it possible you're misreading what I'm saying?

You can argue about my motive, you can make the argument that I'm cherry-picking specific devices, and you can even make the argument that I'm artificially limiting my statements to specific regions to make a point...but you cannot argue that the numbers, and my claims based on those numbers are incorrect.

Fact: The S2 beats the US S3 in the aforementioned GPU benchmark, the standard and most commonly used GPU benchmark for comparing mobile phone GPUs.

Fact: The iPhone 4S remains the best graphically performing phone in the US.

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Look I know you aren't illterate, since you are posting on here. Is it hard for you to look at graphs that disprove what you choose to believe as fact?
Here is some spoon feeding for you, direct from the LINK i gave you! (Anandtech website by the way)



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0m3ga, I hope you do not take offense, but I think you are misreading my argument.

 

[ChazUK]

If you look back at my posts in this thread earlier today (one page back), you'll see I acknowledged the international S3 has the best GPU performance of any phone ever.

That's not what we're talking about here. You guys/girls seem like pretty knowledgable people, is it possible you're misreading what I'm saying?

You can argue about my motive, you can make the argument that I'm cherry-picking specific devices, and you can even make the argument that I'm artificially limiting my statements to specific regions to make a point...but you cannot argue that the numbers, and my claims based on those numbers are incorrect.

I'm not refuting the figures at all. It just strikes me as odd that:

"The S2 beats the US S3 in the aforementioned GPU benchmark"
And
"Fact: The iPhone 4S remains the best graphically performing phone in the US.."

Are both being said in the same post. What is the metric for a phone being "in the us"? Online availability? Availability in brick and mortar stores?

I question this as I've seen members of XDA posting about their i9300 variant s3's on the boards.

http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1696025

You may have clarified what "in the US" means to you already so if you have already, apologies.

 

[DodgeV83]

I'm not refuting the figures at all. It just strikes me as odd that:

"The S2 beats the US S3 in the aforementioned GPU benchmark"
And
"Fact: The iPhone 4S remains the best graphically performing phone in the US.."

Are both being said in the same post. What is the metric for a phone being "in the us"? Online availability? Availability in brick and mortar stores?

I question this as I've seen members of XDA posting about their i9300 variant s3's on the boards.

http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1696025

You may have clarified what "in the US" means to you already so if you have already, apologies.

Nope, I haven't clarified what I mean by "in the US", my mistake ChazUk. If the S3 is being sold by a US carrier (not an import, or bought unsubsidized overseas and shipped over or anything like that), I will rescind my statement.

Edit: Yea, they're talking about buying the "International Samsung S3" for full-price, instead of the "US branded" one, and having it shipped overseas.

 

[kis]

Just to jump in on this, having a 4s and a S3 as my work phone. I never liked email on the iPhone bc it was never as good as it was from blackberry, the only thing they still do well. But the my 4s now pretty much gets emails in real time, while my S3 doesn't unless you have a gmail account. I have multiple emails and it drives me crazy when I can't get them in almost real time.

That is the only flaw major flaw that I see in the S3 without gmail, which no one mentions. Otherwise they are both great phones.

AFAIK you can set up multiple Exchange accounts on the SGS III. Not sure though, I only use Gmail on mine. I also have both phones and have to say I couldn't care less about the whole benchmark discussion. The iPhone 4S is definitely quicker and more fluid in everyday use. That said, the SGS III is still vastly more useful to me. The screen just beats the crap out of the iPhone's. Browsing the web, reading RSS feeds etc. is so much better on the Samsung. And mail.app isn't really great for Gmail users.

 

[matttye]

Nope, I haven't clarified what I mean by "in the US", my mistake ChazUk. If the S3 is being sold by a US carrier (not an import, or bought unsubsidized overseas and shipped over or anything like that), I will rescind my statement.

Edit: Yea, they're talking about buying the "International Samsung S3" for full-price, instead of the "US branded" one, and having it shipped overseas.

I don't know why they provide a downgraded gpu; is it compatibility issues with S4?

In any event, a heavy gamer can quite easily order the international version and "settle" for HSPA+ network speeds... Which are still very fast. It's a simple matter of weighing up what's most important. People that use the international version aren't going to be complaining about how slow data is. I can stream hd YouTube on HSPA+ will minimal buffering.

Obviously it would be better if it had the faster GPU, CPU and LTE, but that's not possible at the moment.

 

[0m3ga]

Nope, I haven't clarified what I mean by "in the US", my mistake ChazUk. If the S3 is being sold by a US carrier (not an import, or bought unsubsidized overseas and shipped over or anything like that), I will rescind my statement.

I have specifically stated my "US version" of the S3. I am with AT&T. Verizon is the only carrier that hasn't begun shipping S3's to their customers.

 

[DodgeV83]

I have specifically stated my "US version" of the S3. I am with AT&T. Verizon is the only carrier that hasn't begun shipping S3's to their customers.

Opps, I accidentally a word

Meant to say:

"If the international S3 is being sold by a US carrier"

 

[BaldiMac]

Sure it does. Sales got slowed because they cant keep up with th demand. Pretty obvious that the phones that were preordered are sold. They are scarce in stores right now and online there have limited supplies.

At the T-Mobile store i was at on Saturday, they said they will get some (here in Vegas) on Wednesday and will probably be getting mostly blue ones...even though they had a setback with that color not being right and had to scrap thousands of the cases so they are doing their best to churn them out for the demand. White must have been real popular is how i see it.

I know this doesnt mean anything to you but i also know thats because you dont want to admit those preorders are sold!! July is in one week and you are assuming that 10 million mark will be at the end of the month.

Not that it means much to me, i know this phone is going to be real popular. But it sure seems to mean a lot to you for some reason. How dare another phone be iPhone-esque in sales!

Comptition is great, embrace it.

Sigh. Of course they were sold eventually. My claim was that we don't know how many were sold on launch day.

I'm not sure how selling at less than half the rate of the iPhone 4S is "iPhone-esque".

 

[matttye]

Sigh. Of course they were sold eventually. My claim was that we don't know how many were sold on launch day.

I'm not sure how selling at less than half the rate of the iPhone 4S is "iPhone-esque".

It's iPhone-esque because the Galaxy S3 is only one of many Android phones, one of many Samsung Galaxy phones actually, yet it still racks up high sales.

iPhone 4S is one of only five iPhones, so it sells a lot better.

The problem that Android has is that there's so much to choose from, so sometimes people pick a different phone that's only slightly different as it better suits their needs.

Android has more competition from Android than iOS!

 

[Sensamic]

Offline voice typing!!!! This is what I wanted the most!!

 

[mbell1975]

The problem that Android has is that there's so much to choose from, so sometimes people pick a different phone that's only slightly different as it better suits their needs.

Since when are more choices a bad thing? Only a blind Apple fanboy would ever think that LOL Who cares how many phones a company sells unless you have stock in it. If you have an Accord, are you sitting there counting how many Honda sells and blasting people for buying a Camry?

 

[DodgeV83]

Since when are more choices a bad thing? Only a blind Apple fanboy would ever think that LOL Who cares how many phones a company sells unless you have stock in it. If you have an Accord, are you sitting there counting how many Honda sells and blasting people for buying a Camry?

As someone said earlier, this is different because people expect continuous support, updates, and new/great software built specifically for their devices. When a company has a large number of different devices in the same category, and is continuously pushing the new one on you, they lose the incentive to provide these services to the customer.

On the contrary, doing so would actually lose them money, because they only make money on the initial sale, and need people to buy new devices in order to make more money.

Considering this, the car comparison is not valid.

For a comparison, consider the video game console market. If you own the Xbox360, you want everyone to buy that instead of the PS3. That way, more software is made specifically for your console, instead of being ported over, resulting in much better software and a much better experience for you, the consumer.

Now imagine if there were 100 different Xbox consoles, new ones were coming out every few months, all with different supported resolutions, different hardware buttons, different aspect ratios, different pixel densities, different graphics cards, different CPUs, different number of CPUs, different software running in the background, different OS versions, different audio subsystems...etc.

This is the complete opposite of what you would want as an Xbox owner, as it would pretty much guarantee that no software would be made for your specific console in mind.

 

[sentinelsx]

Since when are more choices a bad thing? Only a blind Apple fanboy would ever think that LOL Who cares how many phones a company sells unless you have stock in it. If you have an Accord, are you sitting there counting how many Honda sells and blasting people for buying a Camry?

It sounded like a simple and somewhat valid observation. I fail to see where he was blasting anything

It is true if samsung was the only android OEM they probably would have even higher sales, depending on various factors. But the pie is shared.

 

[matttye]

Since when are more choices a bad thing? Only a blind Apple fanboy would ever think that LOL Who cares how many phones a company sells unless you have stock in it. If you have an Accord, are you sitting there counting how many Honda sells and blasting people for buying a Camry?

It's not a bad thing.

I meant that it's a problem because it skews the figures somewhat. People don't seem to comprehend that indivudual iPhones sell better than individual Android phones because there's less models of iPhone to choose from.

If someone wants to buy an Android device they're presented with hundreds of choices, making it less likely they will pick a particular model (in this case, the Galaxy S3), than if there were fewer models. There could be ten flagship Android devices from various companies on the go at any given time.

In stark contrast, when someone wants to buy an iPhone, there's only five to choose from in total with only one of those models being a flagship at any given time, so the likelihood is that someone will buy the latest iPhone.

If there were hundreds of iPhones to choose from, each iPhone would sell less too!

Common sense imo.