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Zaft

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Jun 16, 2009
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You shifted the goalposts. I wasn't comparing "Google's updating of their OS to Apple's". I was comparing Android as a whole to iOS.



I don't think it's unreasonable to expect reasonable updates from the various Android distributors. The problems with the Android business model are actually problems, not excuses. Google keeps the development of the open source OS closed until it's "ready". That's why there are update problems.[/QUOTE]

not true at all. Blame the carriers, they would rathe you buy a new phone with the update then just give you the update on your current one.
 

BaldiMac

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Jan 24, 2008
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not true at all. Blame the carriers, they would rathe you buy a new phone with the update then just give you the update on your current one.

That's another reason. It doesn't make what I said not true. Part of the problem for the carriers is that the benefit they would gain from updating the OS is mitigated by the timing created by Google.

Google announces the new OS to much fanfare. At this point, the value of the update is at it's highest. However, the manufacturers still have months of work to do to customize the OS to their UI and devices. By the time they are ready to release, the good will that they receive from releasing the update has already died down and the next big thing is right around the corner.
 

majuha

macrumors member
Jun 21, 2012
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I might as well ask this in here, about Google Voice Search.

I've read articles and seen a few videos posted on Youtube about Voice Search, and most examples seem to be about just searching stuff, like "how tall is George Bush" or "what is 50 miles in kilometers?" etc.

I haven't seen or read anything about stuff like updating Facebook or Twitter, is it possible? What about read or compose new text messages, is that possible? Adding a memo? Book, move or delete meetings, and even look up existing meetings? Is it possible to use different search engines apart from Google, i.e. Wikipedia, Yahoo etc? Look up specific videos on Youtube?

The search function seem to work very well and is extremely fast, it will be interesting to see if Siri will speed up when the new iPhone comes out.
 

Zaft

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Jun 16, 2009
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You can bet I will get Key Lime Pie on my SGS3 thanks to CM11.

Even the SGS1 and SGS2 are getting JB with CM10, so imagine the SGS3 how far will it go with its powerful hardware.

And it will be stock Key Lime Pie. And it will be the full Android OS, not missing key new features like in iOS...

Why are you arguing on a macforum? You clearly prefer android so why bother even being here? God you people are really something....
 

tekno

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Oct 15, 2011
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Why are you arguing on a macforum? You clearly prefer android so why bother even being here? God you people are really something....

Something you're going to have to realise is that, unlike you, a lot of people don't use only Apple products. They may have a Mac and an Android phone. So they're a member of this community and often choose to discuss other things. Especially when a lot of people have moved from iPhone or are considering the move, an Apple forum is a good place to get some info.
 

nefan65

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Something you're going to have to realise is that, unlike you, a lot of people don't use only Apple products. They may have a Mac and an Android phone. So they're a member of this community and often choose to discuss other things. Especially when a lot of people have moved from iPhone or are considering the move, an Apple forum is a good place to get some info.

Agreed. But a lot of these posts are nothing more than "Mine is better, and you're %^$^ if you choose something else. Both sides mind you...

The same thing happened last year when the 4s was close to release, and the Nexus came out. It'll soon subside.
 

Zaft

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Something you're going to have to realise is that, unlike you, a lot of people don't use only Apple products. They may have a Mac and an Android phone. So they're a member of this community and often choose to discuss other things. Especially when a lot of people have moved from iPhone or are considering the move, an Apple forum is a good place to get some info.

Discuss? they arent dicussing, all i see is "my android is better then iphone ect ect ect". There really shouldent even be any versus threads in the first place. Its like they are SURPRISED that people on MACRUMORS prefer iphone.. who would think right?:rolleyes:
 

Sensamic

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Mar 26, 2010
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Check out this tweet I read last night while doing a Twitter search of the SGS3:

So after using the Samsung Galaxy S III for a grand total of 5 minutes, i'm really underwhelmed by my iPhone. -_- #techieproblems -- Christopher Gordon (@chrisgordon81)


You can find it yourself doing s Twitter search using the key words "iPhone underwhelmed".
 

BaldiMac

macrumors G3
Jan 24, 2008
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Check out this tweet I read last night while doing a Twitter search of the SGS3:

So after using the Samsung Galaxy S III for a grand total of 5 minutes, i'm really underwhelmed by my iPhone. -_- #techieproblems -- Christopher Gordon (@chrisgordon81)


You can find it yourself doing s Twitter search using the key words "iPhone underwhelmed".

HOLY CRAP! SOME RANDOM PERSON POSTED ON TWITTER THAT THEY MIGHT CONSIDER SWITCHING AWAY FROM THE IPHONE!!!

Everyone, please, do yourself a favor and check it out! You'll never say a good thing about the iPhone again!!!!!! :eek:
 

nefan65

macrumors 65816
Apr 15, 2009
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Check out this tweet I read last night while doing a Twitter search of the SGS3:

So after using the Samsung Galaxy S III for a grand total of 5 minutes, i'm really underwhelmed by my iPhone. -_- #techieproblems -- Christopher Gordon (@chrisgordon81)


You can find it yourself doing s Twitter search using the key words "iPhone underwhelmed".

And? One guy on the Internet, posted something on Twitter. So out of all the tweets, with SG3 in the content, you found 1. That's like saying I found one grain of red sand on the beach.
 

Wrathwitch

macrumors 65816
Dec 4, 2009
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who the hell is chris gordon?

Ya know, this is one reason I have never bothered with twitter. There is NO ONE out there that I give enough of a crap to bother "following". The only person I WOULD have was Steve Jobs and we know that ain't gonna happen.

Twitter is almost as bad as FB if not worse. FB has someone talk about the big dump they just had and twitter has a bunch of people come on and tweet about it.....
 

mjpearce023

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Jul 10, 2012
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If it’s good enough for Chris Gordon its good enough for me. ;)

The s3 is a good phone although I think the screen is a bit disappointing. After using the iPhone and trying out the One X the S3 screen is a step down in my opinion. If the S3 had the same screen as the One X I would probably have one right now. I must admit the Red S3 is tempting but I will wait to see what the iPhone 5 looks like. I don't get what the argument is when all this stuff comes down to personal preference.
 

THE JUICEMAN

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Oct 3, 2007
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i can upgrade at the subsidized prices....so like $450ish, which isn't bad. That is crazy that trick you posted though. My brain cannot process the zero delay. When i click the internet or mail app it just appears....almost like it was already on the screen

That is a very interesting trick. I wonder why it isn't widely known. Does it look weird with no transition animation at all? That might freak me out too. LOL
 

Sensamic

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Mar 26, 2010
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HOLY CRAP! SOME RANDOM PERSON POSTED ON TWITTER THAT THEY MIGHT CONSIDER SWITCHING AWAY FROM THE IPHONE!!!

Everyone, please, do yourself a favor and check it out! You'll never say a good thing about the iPhone again!!!!!! :eek:

Hahahaha... Well, no, its not funny...

Relax dude. Its just a guys opinion, just as good as yours... :rolleyes:
 

BaldiMac

macrumors G3
Jan 24, 2008
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Hahahaha... Well, no, its not funny...

Relax dude. Its just a guys opinion, just as good as yours... :rolleyes:

The funny part was why you felt the need to post his opinion instead of your own.

And, for the record, I consider my opinion much more valuable to me than Christopher Gordon's. :) This idea that everyone's opinion is just as good as anyone else's is what has led us to Fox News. :p
 

lordofthereef

macrumors G5
Nov 29, 2011
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Boston, MA
You shifted the goalposts. I wasn't comparing "Google's updating of their OS to Apple's". I was comparing Android as a whole to iOS.

I am not shifting the goalposts... it's impossible to make the comparison you are making being that there are so many flavors of every version of Android. As an example, Samsung's offering is very Different from HTC's, which is very different from Motorola's. I can make the choice to pick up theird party features, and likely get left behind, or I can go with what Google is officially offering and not be. Compare Apples to Apples. Compare stock iOS to stock Android. It's the only comparison that is truly fair and makes sense in this case.

Now, I am aware that this is an iPhone 4S versus SGSIII thread. If you are comparing the two devices, I would absolutely agree with you. the SGSIII is not likely to get continued support years down the road based on Samsung's previous track record.
 
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BaldiMac

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I am not shifting the goalposts... it's impossible to make the comparison you are making being that there are so many flavors of every version of Android.

Impossible? I think 90% of Android users on a two year old OS (including high profile devices that are currently available and even heavily promoted) compared to whatever the current number is for iOS is a pretty reasonable comparison.

As an example, Samsung's offering is very Different from HTC's, which is very different from Motorola's. I can make the choice to pick up theird party features, and likely get left behind, or I can go with what Google is officially offering and not be. Compare Apples to Apples. Compare stock iOS to stock Android. It's the only comparison that is truly fair and makes sense in this case.

That only makes sense if I'm comparing Apple to Google. I'm not. Fragmentation is a fact of the Android experience. It's part and parcel with the model that Google and the device manufacturers chose. Arguing that Android has quick update ability while ignoring that those updates aren't made available to 95%+ of Android users is completely disingenuous.
 

lordofthereef

macrumors G5
Nov 29, 2011
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Boston, MA
Impossible? I think 90% of Android users on a two year old OS (including high profile devices that are currently available and even heavily promoted) compared to whatever the current number is for iOS is a pretty reasonable comparison.

You are looking for a reason to ding the platform here. These heavily promoted devices are not promoted by Google. They are promoted by Samsung, HTC, etc. etc.

That only makes sense if I'm comparing Apple to Google. I'm not. Fragmentation is a fact of the Android experience. It's part and parcel with the model that Google and the device manufacturers chose. Arguing that Android has quick update ability while ignoring that those updates aren't made available to 95%+ of Android users is completely disingenuous.
You can compare whatever you want. I am aware of what you are comparing. I am saying that I don't find it to be a fair comparison. (I think I said exactly that, so I won't repeat it again since it would be pointless a third time). The Android users not getting the updates are choosing devices that are unlikely to get said updates. If they want to make that choice, more power to them. Fragmentation is NOT fact to the Android experience. It's fact for the majority of Android devices out there, sure. Every tingle carrier offers a stock Android experience phone though. Nobody is forced into choosing the device with the UI overlay.
 

BaldiMac

macrumors G3
Jan 24, 2008
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You are looking for a reason to ding the platform here. These heavily promoted devices are not promoted by Google. They are promoted by Samsung, HTC, etc. etc.

Again, I'm not talking about Google. I'm talking about Android. It is a problem with the platform. An advantage to the platform is that it is open and people can mess with it. A disadvantage to the platform is that it is open and people can mess with it.

You can compare whatever you want. I am aware of what you are comparing. I am saying that I don't find it to be a fair comparison.

I'm sure you've chimed in with similar arguments whenever Android market share is compared to iOS market share. :) Do you also find it unfair that all of these devices are promoted as "Android" even though it's not stock Android?
 

Sensamic

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That only makes sense if I'm comparing Apple to Google. I'm not. Fragmentation is a fact of the Android experience. It's part and parcel with the model that Google and the device manufacturers chose. Arguing that Android has quick update ability while ignoring that those updates aren't made available to 95%+ of Android users is completely disingenuous.

And how about iOS "fragmentation"? The iPhone 3GS and 4 are not getting the best new features of iOS: Siri, turn by turn navigation, Flyover, 3D Maps, FaceTime over 3G, etc.

iOS gets much more updates, yes, but the features old devices are getting are pretty little: VIP mailbox, Facebook integration, dismiss call with SMS, new redesing stores, new Safari features, etc.

Its better than nothing, obviously, but people make it seem like iOS updates brings all of the new features to old devices. Ios devices only recieve one full update and the next ones are partial (which makes you need to upgrade if you want Siri and all).

Ipad 2 has not get Siri for example. And iPad 1 doesnt receive any updates after only 2 years (and it was a premium product).

Is iOS 6 the same in the iPhone 3GS, 4 and 4S? Nope. I would call that fragmentation too. Apple tries to force consumers to upgrade to the new iPhone just like other manufacturers such as Samsung, HTC, Motorola, etc.
 
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lordofthereef

macrumors G5
Nov 29, 2011
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Boston, MA
I'm sure you've chimed in with similar arguments whenever Android market share is compared to iOS market share. :) Do you also find it unfair that all of these devices are promoted as "Android" even though it's not stock Android?

No, I don't because it is a stupid comparison and I know it. The only potential usefulness of those stats is to show how many people use Android over iOS, in terms of smartphone use. Even then, what difference does it make. There are 99 cent droids on a pay as you go network. Of COURSE they are going to sell more. If they didn't, that means there is a HUGE problem and Google is doing EVERYTHING wrong.

I use both platforms daily, I don't pick sides. I like to tell it like it is, whenever possible, and if I am shown to be wrong, I happily admit it. :)

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And how about iOS "fragmentation"? The iPhone 3GS and 4 are not getting the best new features of iOS: Siri, turn by turn navigation, Flyover, 3D Maps, FaceTime over 3G, etc.

I made this argument in another thread. The response? Apple said it is a hardware limitation and the burden of proof is mine to prove that it isn't. :rolleyes:
 

NodrogJA

macrumors newbie
Jan 16, 2012
2
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Kingston, Jamaica
Check out this tweet I read last night while doing a Twitter search of the SGS3:

So after using the Samsung Galaxy S III for a grand total of 5 minutes, i'm really underwhelmed by my iPhone. -_- #techieproblems -- Christopher Gordon (@chrisgordon81)


You can find it yourself doing s Twitter search using the key words "iPhone underwhelmed".

I'm actually the Christopher Gordon referenced in this tweet.

What struck me immediately was the difference in screen display technologies, color saturation, size, fidelity and sharpness as compared to the iPhone.

The Super AMOLED HD screen was absolutely gorgeous and really, left me with the impression of viewing an LED TV.
Google Maps looked great, although to be fair it prolly looks just as good on any Android handset.
Ice cream sandwich had a perceptible bit of lag as compared to iOS so not an improvement to me.

I'm entirely too invested in the iOS and Apple ecosystem at this point to consider leaving and to be frank i'm sure the next iPhone will leave me amazed and wanting to upgrade.

You guys are reading a bit too much from one tweet.

Cheers
 

LIVEFRMNYC

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Oct 27, 2009
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Concur. Anyone saying JB is faster than iOS or vice versa when switching between pages, opening the app drawer or apps would literally need a $50,000 high speed video camera to measure the difference in pico-seconds!

Don't give nobody crazy ideas like that. I can already see a 20 page thread argument based on some app loading 1/1000 of a millisecond faster.
 

Sensamic

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I made this argument in another thread. The response? Apple said it is a hardware limitation and the burden of proof is mine to prove that it isn't. :rolleyes:

I have the iPad 1 so I knew I was not getting iOS 6, but I would have been mad if I had bought the iPad 2 and then see I was not getting Siri with iOS 6.

iPad 2 has the same specs than the iPhone 4S: A5 chip and 512MB RAM. So whats the problem? Dont tell me its screen resolution since thats nonsense.

IPad 2 is only 1 year old, same as the iPhone 4 when it didnt get Siri.

At least every device upgrading to Jelly Bean will get the new Google Voice Search and Google Now, not just the new Nexus phone.
 
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