iPhone 6 users who tried the Note 4 at Best Buy?

[LIVEFRMNYC]

I never understood why Android didnt implement the tap to get to the top thing Apple has.

Unless it does and I never figured out.

Loved that feature on iOS.

I love that feature too, but it doesn't help when you want to scroll back to around the middle of a long page or list, cause iOS scrolling is slow.

Samsung implemented the tap to top feature on TW, but it's works terrible and only on certain default apps.

 

[Cnasty]

Hmmmm, Ive never had issues with scrolling on iOS but again its been about 4 years or so.

I was never a big fan of Safari though from what I remember and always preferred Chrome but it is more of battery hog from what I gathered versus the stock Safari.

 

[Oohara]

so to sum it up, you like android because it allows you to pirate multimedia right?

and i saw this a thousand times. why would anyone download torrents on their phone?

maybe im old school, but i still have a computer AND a phone, and i do differentiate between them. maybe that will change when samsung releases 27 inch note 6.

Maybe if you're traveling light without a computer and want to kill some time with a movie, and you have wifi but no movie channel/good movies available? That use case really isn't that hard to picture.

and really, bluetooth file transfers? to transfer those 64kbps mp3s from your buddy?

So if AirDrop would add transferring of music files, that would make it worse?

utility ftw right? any kind of quality and ux is irrelevant... android in a sentence

Irrelevant according to your personal taste only.

LOL, talk about something we've seen a thousand times. Disqualifying an OS or device because you personally don't use this or that function. And thinking that your personal taste is the center of the universe.

But keep posting like that by all means, all you're doing is giving iOS and Apple a bad name, i.e. making Android look even better.

 

[Chodite]

I never understood why Android didnt implement the tap to get to the top thing Apple has.

Unless it does and I never figured out.

Loved that feature on iOS.

Apple patented this feature. Unfortunately

 

[Cnasty]

Apple patented this feature. Unfortunately

That makes sense then as mentioned above as well.

Kind of weird you can patent something like that yet we see these companies using multiple features from each other.

Easily one of my favorite features though on a mobile browser.

 

[gotluck]

That makes sense then as mentioned above as well.

Kind of weird you can patent something like that yet we see these companies using multiple features from each other.

Easily one of my favorite features though on a mobile browser.

Indeed, I would love androids scrolling speed/ acceleration with the tap to top from apple.

And safaris back and forward gestures

 

[beosound3200]

Maybe if you're traveling light without a computer and want to kill some time with a movie, and you have wifi but no movie channel/good movies available? That use case really isn't that hard to picture.

yep, commuters. i can think of a million situations someone would want to watch a movie on a 5.5 inch screen. not a single one is worth mentioning, including yours.

as i said before, but ill extend it a little bit... two kinds of people, utilitarians and ux guys. theres no way in the world i would watch a movie that even remotely interests me on a 5.5 inch screen. i wouldnt watch it on a 10 inch screen. but some people dont value ux and quality as some others do.

So if AirDrop would add transferring of music files, that would make it worse?

no, it would be irrelevant. on the other hand, if apple added 24bit music to itunes, that would be better

Irrelevant according to your personal taste only.

LOL, talk about something we've seen a thousand times. Disqualifying an OS or device because you personally don't use this or that function. And thinking that your personal taste is the center of the universe.

But keep posting like that by all means, all you're doing is giving iOS and Apple a bad name, i.e. making Android look even better.

guess i need to start using /s

also, im not disqualifying os, im disqualifying people who can stand watching movies on 5 inch screens. any kind of comments coming from them are irrelevant, considering their lack of ability to differentiate between utility and ux and willing to compromise to such extent.

on the other hand, android is disqualified too, from a pure design and feel perspective, but thats entering philosophical and metaphysical waters which has proved to be lost on the utilitarians.

also, the term lag is incredibly often misused here. to explain, android is not laggy because of the stuttering or the slowness (at least for the most part), its laggy because it has disgusting animations, or lack of, Windows like. in other words, android is laggy by design. they didnt spend much time designing animations so it doesnt feel fluid and smooth. but this too is lost on a 'i can download torrents on my 5 inch screen and can send 64bps mp3 via bluetooth' kind of guys.

but as you said, everyone has different perspective and different needs. what you didnt say is that those needs and perspectives along with compromises that come with them tell a lot about people, hence is the reason to qualify/disqualify them.

to sum it up, if a person watches a movies on a 5 inch screen, theres no valuable or relevant input regarding ux from them. they disregarded ux as a whole, hence utilitarians. function is only 50% of the product, the other 50% is quality, design and ux. right? or i only need it to do what i need it to do? weird how no one has the same strategy towards women

 

[Oohara]

yep, commuters. i can think of a million situations someone would want to watch a movie on a 5.5 inch screen. not a single one is worth mentioning, including yours.

as i said before, but ill extend it a little bit... two kinds of people, utilitarians and ux guys. theres no way in the world i would watch a movie that even remotely interests me on a 5.5 inch screen. i wouldnt watch it on a 10 inch screen. but some people dont value ux and quality as some others do.

no, it would be irrelevant. on the other hand, if apple added 24bit music to itunes, that would be better

guess i need to start using /s

also, im not disqualifying os, im disqualifying people who can stand watching movies on 5 inch screens. any kind of comments coming from them are irrelevant, considering their lack of ability to differentiate between utility and ux and willing to compromise to such extent.

on the other hand, android is disqualified too, from a pure design and feel perspective, but thats entering philosophical and metaphysical waters which has proved to be lost on the utilitarians.

also, the term lag is incredibly often misused here. to explain, android is not laggy because of the stuttering or the slowness (at least for the most part), its laggy because it has disgusting animations, or lack of, Windows like. in other words, android is laggy by design. they didnt spend much time designing animations so it doesnt feel fluid and smooth. but this too is lost on a 'i can download torrents on my 5 inch screen and can send 64bps mp3 via bluetooth' kind of guys.

but as you said, everyone has different perspective and different needs. what you didnt say is that those needs and perspectives along with compromises that come with them tell a lot about people, hence is the reason to qualify/disqualify them.

to sum it up, if a person watches a movies on a 5 inch screen, theres no valuable or relevant input regarding ux from them. they disregarded ux as a whole, hence utilitarians. function is only 50% of the product, the other 50% is quality, design and ux. right? or i only need it to do what i need it to do? weird how no one has the same strategy towards women

Again, you are treating quality and user experience as if there was an objective truth to them - which you and those you "qualify" just happen to know. Many people love the user experience and quality of Android. You are saying they are objectively wrong. If anything, that reveals a remarkable lack of humility and openness on your part. No discussion is worthwhile if those two qualities are absent.

 

[gotluck]

If anything, that reveals a remarkable lack of humility and openness on your part. No discussion is worthwhile if those two qualities are absent.

Aye Agreed. I've found that the zealots in either camp are just not worth listening too.. like beosound

how someone can skew opinions such as those into believing they are objective facts is remarkable. In his words, his opinion is 'disqualified' in my book

fit into his box or die eh? (unfortunately that is similar to apples line of thought much of the time , though it is getting better)

love how bluetooth file transfer is just dismissed, Oh how I love to NOT get features just because they are deemed 'unnecessary'. Email attachments must be unnecessary too, since ios is STILL lacking there. I'm sure the fact that ios nfc is locked down is a blessing too right? grate god it's beautiful

 

[beosound3200]

Again, you are treating quality and user experience as if there was an objective truth to them - which you and those you "qualify" just happen to know. Many people love the user experience and quality of Android. You are saying they are objectively wrong. If anything, that reveals a remarkable lack of humility and openness on your part. No discussion is worthwhile if those two qualities are absent.

watching movies on a 5 inch screen vs 27 inch is not objective? if its not objective, then some people prefer watching movies on 5 inch screen, which to me is unimaginable. i would argue that watching movies on 27 inch is better, objectively

also, ios animations and fluidity vs android 4.4.4? i would also argue that the fluidity of ios is objective, purely from design standpoint, its designed to appear fluid, unlike android. kinda like windows vs os x animations. purely objective, right? im talking about designed animations, not necessarily the speed. but the speed is also pretty objective, ios is apparently faster, at least according to phonebuff, but thats probably because a7 is 50% faster than snapdragon 800.

what about build quality? would you argue that iphone has a better build quality that lets say some under 200$ off contract samsung. do i smell traces of objectivity? yeah, and the term build quality is often misused here. hint, build quality is not about water resistance. lada niva can basically drive under water but i prefer the build quality of x5.

in any case, a person who likes more to watch movies on 5 inch vs 27, a person who claims that android is just as fluid as ios is either purposely lying or, more often, just lacks senses to differentiate the too. thats not bad per se, actually its much easier and cheaper

i dont know where you live, but where i live, we're not constantly under pressure and fear of not being politically correct, open to everything, etc. in my community, its really not wrong to differentiate the people according to their traits. unconditional value and respect of peoples traits/abilities/wants/taste/opinions and perpetual chase of individualism in the last decade is making me sick. its not wrong to say some people lack taste, some lack brains, some cant comprehend mathematical problems, some are lazy, some cant learn by heart, etc. if its true, of course

people are different, so their value is different in certain context, deal with it, or im being sued for discrimination? ooooh

in this context, some people lack senses to differentiate different ux. thats not bad, as i said, actually its often both easier and cheaper. im just pointing it out and at the same time drawing a conclusion that those people's input regarding ux is irrelevant. i wouldnt ask my car mechanic what to do about my health...

and yes, i said those people. im actively discriminating and differentiating people based on their traits, personality and value in certain context. not all people are the same, people are actually quite different with varying levels of taste, senses and cognitive abilities. some people are valued higher than others in certain context. sue me.

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Aye Agreed. I've found that the zealots in either camp are just not worth listening too.. like beosound

how someone can skew opinions such as those into believing they are objective facts is remarkable. In his words, his opinion is 'disqualified' in my book

fit into his box or die eh? (unfortunately that is similar to apples line of thought much of the time , though it is getting better)

love how bluetooth file transfer is just dismissed, Oh how I love to NOT get features just because they are deemed 'unnecessary'. Email attachments must be unnecessary too, since ios is STILL lacking there. I'm sure the fact that ios nfc is locked down is a blessing too right?

thats EXACTLY apple's line of thought. often described as having character, not trying to enter everyones arse like some other companies, and people of course.

btw, you two, need to respect everyones opinion except of ones you dont agree with right? thats kinda along the lines of this neoliberalism doctrine and individualism.

and im not against bluetooth and torrents but to quote it as an extremely important advantage one cannot live without is bs. kinda like watching movies on 5 inch is bs

 

[gotluck]

thats EXACTLY apple's line of thought. often described as having character, not trying to enter everyones arse like some other companies, and people of course.

Really? Apple goes for the pocketbook more than any other OEM out there.

Have to be completely all in on apple to get all the promoted features as well (and all your contacts must use apple too)..

MAC software support is EOL'd insanely quickly, but hey the upgrades are 'free' for three years until support is discontinued for some arbitrary reason

 

[beosound3200]

Really? Apple goes for the pocketbook more than any other OEM out there.

Have to be completely all in on apple to get all the promoted features as well..

MAC software support is EOL'd insanely quickly, but hey the upgrades are 'free' for three years until support is discontinued for some arbitrary reason

im not sure what you were trying to say. let me rephrase what i wanted to say. apple has character because they don want to unconditionally meet every need out there. they put out a product THEY think is great and say this is it, this is what we stand for, like it or not. thats character. and their long term strategy is not based on current consumer trends - yes, you may address the elephant in the room.

and yeah, by 3 years you actually mean 7?

wanna talk about mobile os support for a moment?

 

[gotluck]

im not sure what you were trying to say. let me rephrase what i wanted to say. apple has character because they don want to unconditionally meet every need out there. they put out a product THEY think is great and say this is it, this is what we stand for, like it or not. thats character. and their long term strategy is not based on current consumer trends - yes, you may address the elephant in the room.

and yeah, by 3 years you actually mean 7?

wanna talk about mobile os support for a moment?

I referring to continuity being 2011 and up and the lack of support for external bluetooth usb - a $10 solution.. no go buy a whole new computer instead.. (buying a new computer if all you really wanted was the continuity capability is complete lunacy)

to me that character very close to planned obsolescence, akin to apple pay only on iphone 6 and up when nfc chips have been around for years (and are cheap)

Yes apple has longer mobile device software support, but the fact that you cannot downgrade infuriates me. I will always be afraid to update my ios device and that sucks. We all know what usually happens around the third major ios device update of a devices lifetime

 

[beosound3200]

I referring to continuity being 2011 and up and the lack of support for external bluetooth usb - a $10 solution.. no go buy a whole new computer instead..

2011 is because of the hardware requirements, nothing you can do about that.

an external bluetooth? so you're proposing apple should write a driver for every usb dongle out there. its amazing every time i hear people wanting os x to become windows. os x is os x because apple didnt want to allow drivers for every pos 10 bucks product out there.

weird isnt it? everybody hates proprietary, but they fail to acknowledge that proprietary technology is what makes apple stand out. i much prefer lightning to musb, facetime to skype, imessage to watsapp, safari to chrome. i actually want apple proprietary technology, in house designs often win to mish-mash everybodys a developer open source solutions.

the only drawback to proprietary is money. who cares

 

[gotluck]

2011 is because of the hardware requirements, nothing you can do about that.


the only drawback to proprietary is money. who cares

No I am looking for them to write one driver for one bluetooth dongle, it can even be an apple official dongle that they gouge on price.

The other drawbacks are lock in and lack of choice and options. Many people care about the pricing discrepancies too.

you dont care so it doesnt matter.. again..

I hate proprietary.. obviously

 

[Oohara]

watching movies on a 5 inch screen vs 27 inch is not objective? if its not objective, then some people prefer watching movies on 5 inch screen, which to me is unimaginable. i would argue that watching movies on 27 inch is better, objectively

Thank you for pointing out the flaw in your reasoning yourself, I could not have done it better myself!

What if someone says that they find it unimaginable to watch movies on anything less than the world's best Cinemax theatre screen, and claim that this is objectively better, would that mean that you are wrong? Does that mean that you are "purposely lying"? By your own reasoning, yes!

i dont know where you live, but where i live, we're not constantly under pressure and fear of not being politically correct, open to everything, etc. in my community, its really not wrong to differentiate the people according to their traits. unconditional value and respect of peoples traits/abilities/wants/taste/opinions and perpetual chase of individualism in the last decade is making me sick. its not wrong to say some people lack taste, some lack brains, some cant comprehend mathematical problems, some are lazy, some cant learn by heart, etc. if its true, of course

If you live in a society where you "differentiate the people" based on the flawed reasoning I pointed out in the first quote in this post, I find that nothing less than frightening. Where do you live, North Korea?

 

[beosound3200]

No I am looking for them to write one driver for one bluetooth dongle, it can even be an apple official dongle that they gouge on price.

The other drawbacks are lock in and lack of choice and options. Many people care about the pricing discrepancies too.

you dont care so it doesnt matter.. again..

I hate proprietary.. obviously

i understand.

but purely from ideological stand of view, and ultimately practical, how can an between different firms outside solution with varying levels of integration operate more efficiently/better/trump in-house product. all further reasoning should resonate on this simple premise. of course, if there are outside factors like money or ideological affection towards free/open, proprietary is often not so good. but in theory, it isnt even comparable to the outside solution. the most obvious example is the lightning port. its the best connector i ever used.

 

[gotluck]

i understand.

but purely from ideological stand of view, and ultimately practical, how can an between different firms outside solution with varying levels of integration operate more efficiently/better/trump in-house product. all further reasoning should resonate on this simple premise. of course, if there are outside factors like money or ideological affection towards free/open, proprietary is often not so good. but in theory, it isnt even comparable to the outside solution. the most obvious example is the lightning port. its the best connector i ever used.

I love the lightning connector as well (aside from the too high cost)

here is my scenario that is pissing me off currently:

#1 I genuinely like the iphone 6
#2 I want continuity (particularly at work)
#3 My workplace uses windows and this cannot change, likely ever. the entire industry is on windows (aside from certain unix servers)
#4 Apple doesn't care
#5 I will continue to use an android phone with pushbullet notification mirroring
#6

 

[beosound3200]

Thank you for pointing out the flaw in your reasoning yourself, I could not have done it better myself!

if you really want to grasp at straws (words) maybe you should've read my statement twice.

To me, considering our biological traits, it is unimaginable that someone would prefer 5 inch to 27 inch. hence, 27 inch is objectively better. can you imagine anyone who prefers to watch movies on a 5 inch screen than on a 27 inch? if you cant, does that make it objectively better? be careful now, read slow. twice.

try to understand what im relaying to you, not the words, this is not a piss contest.

What if someone says that they find it unimaginable to watch movies on anything less than the world's best Cinemax theatre screen, and claim that this is objectively better, would that mean that you are wrong? Does that mean that you are "purposely lying"? By your own reasoning, yes!

again, you're both twisting my words and failing to comprehend what i was trying to say, one thing leading to another. its not unimaginable to watch movies on 5 inch screen, its unimaginable to prefer it.

watching movies in best cinemax is objectively better on every criteria possible. I cant imagine someone would say otherwise, which makes the matter objective right? can you?

so objectively, it would be like this, cinemax >27 inch > 5 inch. do i need to draw it for you?

If you live in a society where you "differentiate the people" based on the flawed reasoning I pointed out in the first quote in this post, I find that nothing less than frightening. Where do you live, North Korea?

you draw conclusions from grasping at straws, failing to comprehend the thought i tried to relay to ultimately say nothing of value, yet to have enough pride to mention reasoning. try again. this time with reasoning. thank you

 

[TheAppleFairy]

iPhone 6 plus. I had 4 Android phones prior to getting an iPhone 5 and I absolutely love iOS.

I agree with you, it's all about the OS for me. For the past 3 years I have carried both Android and iOS phones with me and I can't say I hate Android, but I don't really care for it. It's just not as streamlined, maybe there is a better term, but I really wish my work phone was an iPhone then I would drop my personal line.

 

[jreal2]

As an owner of a slightly bent iPhone 6+, I contemplated the Note 4. Hardware seemed ok, but still not anywhere close to giving Jony Ive any grief. The screen is great, of course, but the lacks of apps supporting that resolution worries me. Additionally, I've tried to switch to Android fours separate times– all with flagship devices, and all to no avail– I just don't like Android.

I may be annoyed that my brand new iPhone 6+ was bent within a few days of owning it, but it's still better than my 5S, it has TouchID (a feature I cannot live without), and has the best mobile OS in the world. She may not be the strongest phone out there, but I'm still smitten.

Get your bent phone replaced at the apple store.

 

[beosound3200]

I love the lightning connector as well

here is my scenario that is pissing me off currently:

#1 I genuinely like the iphone 6
#2 I want continuity (particularly at work)
#3 My workplace uses windows and this cannot change, likely ever. the entire industry is on windows (aside from certain unix servers)
#4 Apple doesn't care
#5 I will continue to use an android phone with pushbullet notification mirroring
#6

yeah, i get you totally. but i also get them totally. they just dont want to waste time on making their products compatible with others. and by wasting time i mean literally, you just cant throw more money at programmers to speed things up. its a matter of pluses and minuses. what would really disturbed me is if they indeed offered support for 3rd party products but was lacking and buggy.

 

[gotluck]

yeah, i get you totally. but i also get them totally. they just dont want to waste time on making their products compatible with others. and by wasting time i mean literally, you just cant throw more money at programmers to speed things up. its a matter of pluses and minuses. what would really disturbed me is if they indeed offered support for 3rd party products but was lacking and buggy.

I just want them to remember that it was itunes support on windows that allowed the ipod to take off.

They seem to be forgetting that. Basically all of their corporate customers will be completely missing out on continuity

I'm sure they could make it work on icloud.com (similar to airdroid) , it's just a matter of desire.

 

[Oohara]

watching movies in best cinemax is objectively better on every criteria possible. I cant imagine someone would say otherwise, which makes the matter objective right? can you?

Right, so why would you ever watch a movie on a 27" screen, if the cinemax is objectively better?

 

[LIVEFRMNYC]

so objectively, it would be like this, cinemax >27 inch > 5 inch.

But a cinemax or 27 inch screen is not mobile/portable. And some of these smartphone screens are visually better than the average 720p or 1080p TVs. I've watched plenty of movies on a smartphone, as long as the picture and sound is good, it only takes a few minutes before you forget you're viewing on such a small screen.