iPhone 7 Plus Dual Camera lacks Optical Image Stabilization in the Telephoto Lens [MERGED]

[Benz63amg]

So i just read this article from 9to5mac https://9to5mac.com/2016/09/09/kgi-...in-exclusive-high-end-new-iphone-models-2017/

and it states that KGI Analyst Ming-Chi Kuo says that the current iPhone 7 Plus Dual Camera lacks Optical Image Stabilization in the Telephoto Lens, it only has Optical image Stabilization in the Wide Angle Lens,

He states that Apple will give the next generation iPhone Plus (iPhone 7S Plus?) an upgrade in the camera department by giving the Telephoto lens Optical Image Stabilization as well,

I am for one very disappointed here because Apple could have easily given us that feature in the about to be released iPhone 7 Plus next week yet it seems like they decided to not give the Telephoto Lens in the iPhone 7 Plus's Dual Camera OIS on purpose so that they have something to upgrade in the next iPhone's camera

Thoughts?

 

[Dave245]

So i just read this article from 9to5mac https://9to5mac.com/2016/09/09/kgi-...in-exclusive-high-end-new-iphone-models-2017/

and it states that KGI Analyst Ming-Chi Kuo says that the current iPhone 7 Plus Dual Camera lacks Optical Image Stabilization in the Telephoto Lens, it only has Optical image Stabilization in the Wide Angle Lens,

He states that Apple will give the next generation iPhone Plus (iPhone 7S Plus?) an upgrade in the camera department by giving the Telephoto lens Optical Image Stabilization as well,

I am for one very disappointed here because Apple could have easily given us that feature yet it seems like they decided to not give the Telephoto Lens in the iPhone 7 Plus's Dual Camera on purpose so that they have something to upgrade in the next iPhone's camera

Thoughts

I'm far from disappointed, the dual lens camera in the iPhone 7 Plus, will be the best camera by far. Apple have done great worth this. The iPhone 7 and 7 Plus overall have great upgrades and not just in the camera. I'm glad to have pre-ordered mine.

 

[the future]

Always funny how the armchair engineers know exactly what Apple could "easily" have done …

 

[5097842]

I'm really disappointed in this. The telephoto camera is the one you'd need OIS with more. It was OIS that drove me to the 6 Plus, and then OIS with video to get the 6s Plus. I guess it will be OIS in the telephoto camera that will drive me to get next years phone.

I'm not going to cancel my preorder over this as the regular camera should still perform better than the 6s Plus. But finding this out was a letdown.

 

[lancastor]

Apple should talked about the lack of OIS in the keynote.

This is not a fine move to kept this limition secret in the keynote.

 

[Armen]

So i just read this article from 9to5mac https://9to5mac.com/2016/09/09/kgi-...in-exclusive-high-end-new-iphone-models-2017/

and it states that KGI Analyst Ming-Chi Kuo says that the current iPhone 7 Plus Dual Camera lacks Optical Image Stabilization in the Telephoto Lens, it only has Optical image Stabilization in the Wide Angle Lens,

He states that Apple will give the next generation iPhone Plus (iPhone 7S Plus?) an upgrade in the camera department by giving the Telephoto lens Optical Image Stabilization as well,

I am for one very disappointed here because Apple could have easily given us that feature in the about to be released iPhone 7 Plus next week yet it seems like they decided to not give the Telephoto Lens in the iPhone 7 Plus's Dual Camera OIS on purpose so that they have something to upgrade in the next iPhone's camera

Thoughts?

Didn't Apple state that both lenses are used in every picture?

 

[5097842]

Apple should talked about the lack of OIS in the keynote.

This is not a fine move to kept this limition secret in the keynote.

At the very least, the Tech Specs on Apple.com should be clear about this. The two cameras are specified, and then OIS is listed without a disclaimer.

Has this actually been confirmed? I suppose (hope) it's possible that the analyst was wrong about this.

 

[Benz63amg]

Apple should talked about the lack of OIS in the keynote.

This is not a fine move to kept this limition secret in the keynote.

Exactly my point, that is a little dirty trick Apple did here that I definitely do not appreciate, they can't even say anything in return that will justify them not adding OIS to the telephoto lens, I am 100% certain they will say next year that they improved the camera in whatever the next iPhone will be called and say that it now has improved OIS(which will mean they added OIS to the second lens)

 

[Surf Monkey]

OIS doesn't un-blur photos. It compensates somewhat for the movement of your hands. When shooting through a telephoto lens the movement of your hands is exaggerated in the image. In order to achieve effective optical stabilization in a telephoto lens you need more physical travel in the OIS system. You also get diminishing returns the longer the lens gets because it simply can't overcome hand/camera movement at those focal lengths.

So it makes sense that the telephoto wouldn't have it. It would take up more room and provide marginal performance improvement.

 

[Benz63amg]

At the very least, the Tech Specs on Apple.com should be clear about this. The two cameras are specified, and then OIS is listed without a disclaimer.

Has this actually been confirmed? I suppose (hope) it's possible that the analyst was wrong about this.

It's not confirmed and I sure as heck hope that analyst is wrong but that analyst from the article has a rock bottom track record, he mentioned all the features the iPhone 7 and 7 plus were going to have a week before the keynote and appearntley he does that every year because somehow he has inside information

 

[Surf Monkey]

It's not confirmed and I sure as heck hope that analyst is wrong but that analyst from the article has a rock bottom track record, he mentioned all the features the iPhone 7 and 7 plus were going to have a week before the keynote and appearntley he does that every year because somehow he has inside information

It's hardly a point to be frustrated about if it isn't included. It has OIS on the standard lens.

 

[RedOrchestra]

It's hardly a point to be frustrated about if it isn't included. It has OIS on the standard lens.

When it's the telephoto lens that really "needs" OIS.

 

[5097842]

OIS doesn't un-blur photos. It compensates somewhat for the movement of your hands. When shooting through a telephoto lens the movement of your hands is exaggerated in the image. In order to achieve effective optical stabilization in a telephoto lens you need more physical travel in the OIS system. You also get diminishing returns the longer the lens gets because it simply can't overcome hand/camera movement at those focal lengths.

So it makes sense that the telephoto wouldn't have it. It would take up more room and provide marginal performance improvement.

I agree that the effectiveness of OIS diminishes as the focal length increases. But the second lens on the iPhone 7 is only 2x the standard lens. And if Apple is adding it next year, then they know it would help.

 

[stulaw11]

Or the module wasnt available in time/volume needed for the iphone

Or we can wait until the teardown rather than relying on an analyst.

 

[Surf Monkey]

When it's the telephoto lens that really "needs" OIS.

If you're aware of the history of OIS on DSLR lenses and cameras you'll know that it only got added to telephotos in the relatively recent past. The conventional wisdom on OIS is that it becomes less effective the longer the focal length. In fact, OIS on long lenses is considered a marketing gimmick by a lot of photographers. "It has OIS! I mean. It won't actually do anything on a lens that long, but it has it!"

The solution to camera shake in a telephoto lens is a tripod.
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I agree that the effectiveness of OIS diminishes as the focal length increases. But the second lens on the iPhone 7 is only 2x the standard lens. And if Apple is adding it next year, then they know it would help.

Point taken. We also know that Apple likes incremental rollouts...

 

[lancastor]

The solution to camera shake in a telephoto lens is a tripod.

And in video mode a Gimbal, which costs hundreds of Euros/Dollars. Ex: Feiyutech G4 Pro in the Apple Store.

 

[5097842]

I'd say we shouldn't get all excited about this until the phone is released and the facts are known, but I said that about removing the headphone jack too ...

 

[Shanghaichica]

Ok well your decision not to buy the 7 plus is now validated. Are you happy?

 

[Neebee]

So i just read this article from 9to5mac https://9to5mac.com/2016/09/09/kgi-...in-exclusive-high-end-new-iphone-models-2017/

and it states that KGI Analyst Ming-Chi Kuo says that the current iPhone 7 Plus Dual Camera lacks Optical Image Stabilization in the Telephoto Lens, it only has Optical image Stabilization in the Wide Angle Lens,

He states that Apple will give the next generation iPhone Plus (iPhone 7S Plus?) an upgrade in the camera department by giving the Telephoto lens Optical Image Stabilization as well,

Umm. There is some confusion around this. Some are saying there might be a mid year "upgrade" to implement the OIS in the telephoto lens. Any way, next year's iPhone will hopefully miss the S series and go with iPhone 8: https://www.macrumors.com/roundup/iphone-8/

 

[HEK]

So i just read this article from 9to5mac https://9to5mac.com/2016/09/09/kgi-...in-exclusive-high-end-new-iphone-models-2017/

and it states that KGI Analyst Ming-Chi Kuo says that the current iPhone 7 Plus Dual Camera lacks Optical Image Stabilization in the Telephoto Lens, it only has Optical image Stabilization in the Wide Angle Lens,

He states that Apple will give the next generation iPhone Plus (iPhone 7S Plus?) an upgrade in the camera department by giving the Telephoto lens Optical Image Stabilization as well,

I am for one very disappointed here because Apple could have easily given us that feature in the about to be released iPhone 7 Plus next week yet it seems like they decided to not give the Telephoto Lens in the iPhone 7 Plus's Dual Camera OIS on purpose so that they have something to upgrade in the next iPhone's camera

Thoughts?

What do you base the "easily given us" part on. Any facts, insider info that shows Apple was ready to release this but held back? And perhaps the size of the 7 Plus has something to do with room to place two cameras in the phone. Might that be reason enough the 7 did not get duel cameras?

At some point, if you want to hit your manufacturing date for 10s of millions of iPhone you have to call a halt to changes. Solidify the design and proceed to manufacture it. Every week that goes by you could add something more, make it a little bit better, and never deliver a single phone.
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Apple should talked about the lack of OIS in the keynote.

This is not a fine move to kept this limition secret in the keynote.

Right and GM, Ford, Toyota, Samsung, Microsoft, all talk about things they didn't do in a new product launch. We have this marvelous new product, we could have made it even better but didn't. And our new product has these limitations. So please buy our new product with the following missing parts that make it less than ideal. We know you will just love it. See page two of specifications sheet for all the limitations and things we decide to leave out. We have more on our left out sheet, than the competition. So why not buy two, so you get twice as little. Other companies would be climbing over each other to hire the keynote writer that came up with that.

 

[Benz63amg]

What do you base the "easily given us" part on. Any facts, insider info that shows Apple was ready to release this but held back? And perhaps the size of the 7 Plus has something to do with room to place two cameras in the phone. Might that be reason enough the 7 did not get duel cameras?

At some point, if you want to hit your manufacturing date for 10s of millions of iPhone you have to call a halt to changes. Solidify the design and proceed to manufacture it. Every week that goes by you could add something more, make it a little bit better, and never deliver a single phone.
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Right and GM, Ford, Toyota, Samsung, Microsoft, all talk about things they didn't do in a new product launch. We have this marvelous new product, we could have made it even better but didn't. And our new product has these limitations. So please buy our new product with the following missing parts that make it less than ideal. We know you will just love it. See page two of specifications sheet for all the limitations and things we decide to leave out. We have more on our left out sheet, than the competition. So why not buy two, so you get twice as little. Other companies would be climbing over each other to hire the keynote writer that came up with that.

I dont think you read the article from 9to5mac i posted above, the KGI Analyst Ming-Chi Kuo who has a nearly solid track record of providing precise insider info on apple's plans for future product releases says that apple did not include OIS on the telephoto lens because they plan to include it in the next iPhone release (iPhone 7S? iPhone 8? or whatever they may call it), That's the issue.

The fact that there is an analyst that already has this information is beyond staggering to me, because up until now nobody even knew the Telephoto lens has no OIS and now not only do we know the iPhone 7 Plus doesn't have OIS in the telephoto lens, We know that the next iPhone IS going to have that feature added, its already part of the planned "Upgrade" to the Dual Camera in the future iPhone. They are going to need to improve the camera somehow in the next iPhone and "OIS in the Telephoto lens" sounds like a pretty darn good upgrade.

And since you mentioned the 4.7inch iPhone 7, I'm Sure they could have somehow added the Dual Camera in it this year but they need a selling point for the Plus Model and the Dual Camera is it's killer feature and they clearly held back and gave the smaller iPhone 7 a single lens camera instead,

Thats exactly what they did last year where the Plus Model of the iPhone 6 and 6S was the only Model that had OIS and the smaller iPhone didn't, What was the reason the smaller iPhone 6 didn't have OIS back then? and now this year the smaller iPhone 7 suddenly has OIS but once again, lacks a major feature compared to the Plus Model, The entire Dual Camera Configuration.
The smaller iPhone will not get a dual camera next year either as the analyst reports so they will be keeping the dual camera configuration strictly to the Plus Model.

I preordered a 128GB Jetblack iPhone 7 Plus the other night when preorders went live knowing that the Camera is going to be a killer feature but finidng out that its missing a crucial feature such as OIS in one of it's lenses is certainly a turn off for me at this point, Im sure its going to be a fantastic phone and an excellent camera regardless, I'm just disappointed Apple would pull this sort of a dirty trick on it's customers.

 

[Futhark]

Apple should talked about the lack of OIS in the keynote.

This is not a fine move to kept this limition secret in the keynote.

They did. Watch again

 

[Dave245]

I think people are underestimating what the dual lens camera can do, either that or people don't appreciate the technology that has gone into these phones. The iPhone 7 and 7 Plus will have the best camera in a smart phone by far. I can't wait to start taking pictures with my 7 Plus, I think it will be a game changer.

 

[darknyt]

I'm too ignernt to know if I should be disappointed .... But that's never stopped me before.

 

[Benz63amg]

I think people are underestimating what the dual lens camera can do, either that or people don't appreciate the technology that has gone into these phones. The iPhone 7 and 7 Plus will have the best camera in a smart phone by far. I can't wait to start taking pictures with my 7 Plus, I think it will be a game changer.

Nobody is saying that it wont be a game changer nor that it going to be an amazing camera, That's not the point of the argument. The point of the argument is that they KNOWINGLY did not give OIS to the second Telephoto lens in the Dual Camera of the iPhone 7 Plus and have that feature lined up to be added to the new generation of iPhone(iPhone 7S or whatever they will be calling it) and that in my opinion is a deceiving move.