iPhone domination

[apolloa]

Now that apple has released 2 bigger "android" sized iPhones and after apple has grabbed just about 50% of new smartphone activations since the launch of these 2 new iPhones anyone think that the other smartphone manufactures are going to put more interest in other things besides their smartphone? Like I see HTC for example trying not to compete with apple but released new products in different categories. Samsung recently has made a huge push towards VR gaming. I just think the other smartphone OEM's are a bit scared. IMO

No, firstly I would call this thread what it really is, but don't want to get a warning. Secondly I think it's clear you really don't know how businesses work, they adapt to survive, enter new markets, Apple just follows them.
I would claim Apple is moving away from mobile phones as it has not got a high worldwide market share, and is making tablets more now...

Would you agree with that? Because its the same daft statement...

 

[The-Real-Deal82]

Might want to re-examine the data. Apple had a gangbuster quarter, but still lags very, very far behind Android in marketshare. And Samsung has been a company in diversified consumer products long before Steve Jobs was even born. Think you should be on the AppleInsider forums. You'd feel at home in their ápple-centric way of thinking.

The OP is talking about 'manufacturers' not Android software from what I read. Apple are never going to overtake 'Android' powered devices as a whole in overall marketshare when operating systems are compared. Apple is a manufacturer and the best comparison is the nearest rival(s) within the Android sector. I have never understood why people compare Android vs iOS in terms of marketshare, because it is so imbalanced it is difficult to draw any form of reliable conclusion.

I think the OP is wrong because the likes of Samsung have their fingers in many pies already. I own several Samsung products including 3 TV's and the mobile division is just one part of their company. HTC are a little different and maybe they will venture into other fields, but they need to maintain their mobile success at present before they attempt anything new. LG are the same as Samsung in terms of product range already.

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No but the below does. "Just works" yeah right....

There is nothing you can say to get around that this doesn't "just work"

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What on earth is that picture of? Looks messed up

 

[fredaroony]

What on earth is that picture of? Looks messed up

Screenshot of my 6 with the messages app that turned itself upside down. Does some really weird stuff quite regularly.

 

[The-Real-Deal82]

Screenshot of my 6 with the messages app that turned itself upside down. Does some really weird stuff quite regularly.

That is odd, I've never heard of that before. Have you backed up and done a reset? The most trouble I have had with my 6 on iOS 8 is some apps not allowing the transition from landscape back to portrait, and that is quite rare. I suppose they are little computers and have their glitches on occasion.

I wonder if the third party keyboard is the problem in your case? I installed Swiftkey on mine and Swype but have to admit I thought they were absolute rubbish. I trialled each for a couple of weeks with the determination to like them. It just reinforced for me how good the default keyboard is, but that is just me. I don't know anybody who uses third party keyboards on iOS and I also have never seen the message app flip upside down. There may be a link between the two. Can you send a report to the developer?

 

[fredaroony]

That is odd, I've never heard of that before. Have you backed up and done a reset? The most trouble I have had with my 6 on iOS 8 is some apps not allowing the transition from landscape back to portrait, and that is quite rare. I suppose they are little computers and have their glitches on occasion.

I wonder if the third party keyboard is the problem in your case? I installed Swiftkey on mine and Swype but have to admit I thought they were absolute rubbish. I trialled each for a couple of weeks with the determination to like them. It just reinforced for me how good the default keyboard is, but that is just me. I don't know anybody who uses third party keyboards on iOS and I also have never seen the message app flip upside down. There may be a link between the two. Can you send a report to the developer?

Haven't done any of that as I am now using a Moto X (2014) as my daily driver. Not too worried about because of the above and simply posted it to dispute the "just works" nonsense.

 

[The-Real-Deal82]

Haven't done any of that as I am now using a Moto X (2014) as my daily driver. Not too worried about because of the above and simply posted it to dispute the "just works" nonsense.

Fair enough. I don't think it disputes the 'just works nonsense' very well because it looks more like an app issue rather than an issue with the operating system. Swiftkey has been notoriously buggy on iOS since it was launched. The keyboard kept hiding the text bar on mine at times and that was the final nail in its coffin for me, although I can't remember if that was Swype? You could argue Apple shouldn't allow sub par apps into the App store but then again it is down to the developers to fix faults and issue updates should problems arise. I had plenty of dodgy apps when I used Android but didn't blame HTC or Google. I just learned from experience and removed the app.

 

[fredaroony]

Fair enough. I don't think it disputes the 'just works nonsense' very well because it looks more like an app issue rather than an issue with the operating system. Swiftkey has been notoriously buggy on iOS since it was launched. The keyboard kept hiding the text bar on mine at times and that was the final nail in its coffin for me, although I can't remember if that was Swype? You could argue Apple shouldn't allow sub par apps into the App store but then again it is down to the developers to fix faults and issue updates should problems arise. I had plenty of dodgy apps when I used Android but didn't blame HTC or Google. I just learned from experience and removed the app.

A keyboard app makes the messages app go upside down?

My Macbook Pro freezes completely about every two weeks since Yosemite. I've several issues with Apple and bluetooth over the years that were only an issue with Apple devices.

"Just works"...my arse. Phil Schiller should change his catch phrase. I like my Apple devices, although prefer Android phones, but they have their issues just like any other company.

 

[Oletros]

Fair enough. I don't think it disputes the 'just works nonsense' very well because it looks more like an app issue rather than an issue with the operating system. Swiftkey has been notoriously buggy on iOS since it was launched. The keyboard kept hiding the text bar on mine at times and that was the final nail in its coffin for me, although I can't remember if that was Swype? You could argue Apple shouldn't allow sub par apps into the App store but then again it is down to the developers to fix faults and issue updates should problems arise. I had plenty of dodgy apps when I used Android but didn't blame HTC or Google. I just learned from experience and removed the app.

If a sandboxes keyboard application can mess with the whole UI we have a very big problem

 

[The-Real-Deal82]

A keyboard app makes the messages app go upside down?

I only suggested it because I send roughly 40 text messages a day and I have never had the iMessage app flip upside down. I am not saying iOS doesn't have any issues, I think I gave an example above. Its software at the end of the day so a glitch here and there is expected. I only suggested it could 'possibly' be the third party keyboard because I have Googled this problem and can't find anybody else reporting it. You would think if it was a common iMessage issue, we'd have a thread or three on it somewhere.

"Just works"...my arse. Phil Schiller should change his catch phrase. I like my Apple devices, although prefer Android phones, but they have their issues just like any other company.

So perhaps Apple can be included in that too? They have their issues like any other too. The issue you brought up was strange and I only asked out of curiosity.

If a sandboxes keyboard application can mess with the whole UI we have a very big problem

It doesn't mess with the entire UI, just the message app from what I understand. Is the homescreen upside too, perhaps more elaboration from Fred?

Apps do mess up phones, and I know this from experience.

 

[fredaroony]

So perhaps Apple can be included in that too? They have their issues like any other too. The issue you brought up was strange and I only asked out of curiosity.

Of course but Apple are an easy target because of their over exaggeration of how perfect their products are.

It's normal for products to have issues and you can't have it both way with "just works".

 

[I7guy]

No but the below does. "Just works" yeah right....

There is nothing you can say to get around that this doesn't "just work"

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I'm assuming that image is showing the auto-rotation issues people have been complaining about. That type of thing doesn't bother me as they will eventually sort that out. With 70 million new i6 devices, some of them were bound to have problems. Mine didn't, if it did I would return it. You unfortunately are part of the minority of folks that have gremlins. Get the phone replaced, it's under warranty. Maybe it doesn't "just work" but it does for me. Get the phone replaced.

 

[The-Real-Deal82]

Of course but Apple are an easy target because of their over exaggeration of how perfect their products are.

It's normal for products to have issues and you can't have it both way with "just works".

I know Apple market the simplicity of their products and make it all sound fluffy and perfect, but I am trying to rack my brains as to what other company warns consumers that their product might occasionally mess up?

You said previously your message app on your iPhone 6 does 'some really weird stuff quite regularly'. What other weird things does it do? Perhaps it is an operating system issue and other examples might reinforce that. Could you elaborate?

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I'm assuming that image is showing the auto-rotation issues people have been complaining about. That type of thing doesn't bother me as they will eventually sort that out. With 70 million new i6 devices, some of them were bound to have problems. Mine didn't, if it did I would return it. You unfortunately are part of the minority of folks that have gremlins. Get the phone replaced, it's under warranty. Maybe it doesn't "just work" but it does for me. Get the phone replaced.

I've never known it chop the message screen in half and put it upside down. Mine has just stuck sideways occasionally and you have to force close the app. Not the message app though. This looks stranger than that.

 

[Savor]

Personally, I don't really care if Android or iOS dominates. When I lived in CA, it was pretty much 50/50. I will still continue to support Android even if iOS eventually catches up and miraculously surpasses them in installed base and widens the gap in profits. Anywhere I go, iPhones are alot more popular than the 12% marketshare they hold globally. In US, it is like 40-45% but it seems bigger than that.

For me, Android and iOS will battle it out for the rest of the decade and beyond. Android will not go anywhere with the 1B users and Google's ecosystem and services are more used than Apple's. Once Android One hits, their marketshare will continue to grow. And Google is finding other ways trying to grow with ads like trying to be a carrier provider. Google has alot of ambitions. I am happy to see HTC trying to branch out too with e-sports. I don't see Microsoft no longer catching up in the mobile OS battle, but that HoloLens stuff is definitely AMAZING.

Microsoft seems to have alot more foresight than Apple or Google right now since this goes beyond mobile devices even though they don't get enough hype or credit for it.

 

[jamezr]

If a sandboxes keyboard application can mess with the whole UI we have a very big problem

Swiftkey is a great keyboard app on Android. I have used it for years without a single issue on multiple Android phones. In fact it is my default keyboard on Android. But on IOS its a whole different story. I will back up what Fredaroony says about Swiftkey on IOS. It does not play nice. It sometimes will disappear entirely leaving me without a keyboard and not way to change it. It has turned imessage upside down sideways. It has even froze my iphone. I have to reboot my 6+ to get a keyboard back and restore functionality..

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Personally, I don't really care if Android or iOS dominates. When I lived in CA, it was pretty much 50/50. I will still continue to support Android even if iOS eventually catches up and miraculously surpasses them in installed base and widens the gap in profits. Anywhere I go, iPhones are alot more popular than the 12% marketshare they hold globally. In US, it is like 40-45% but it seems bigger than that.

For me, Android and iOS will battle it out for the rest of the decade and beyond. Android will not go anywhere with the 1B users and Google's ecosystem and services are more used than Apple's. Once Android One hits, their marketshare will continue to grow. And Google is finding other ways trying to grow with ads like trying to be a carrier provider. Google has alot of ambitions. I am happy to see HTC trying to branch out too with e-sports. I don't see Microsoft no longer catching up in the mobile OS battle, but that HoloLens stuff is definitely AMAZING.

Microsoft seems to have alot more foresight than Apple or Google right now since this goes beyond mobile devices even though they don't get enough hype or credit for it.

That is spot on I don't think MS is getting enough credit for what they are doing right now. They are really forward thinking.

 

[mattopotamus]

No but the below does. "Just works" yeah right....

There is nothing you can say to get around that this doesn't "just work"

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What on earth is that picture of? Looks messed up

That is a problem with 3rd party keyboards.

 

[tbayrgs]

That is a problem with 3rd party keyboards.

Agreed but as there seem to be problems with numerous third party keyboards and not just exclusively with Swiftkey, i think the implication is that the problem lies with the implementation of third party keyboards in iOS moreso than the keyboards themselves. In short, it's an iOS problem, not a keyboard problem.

 

[jrswizzle]

HTC made money last quarter, I don't think they're going to give up on android phones.

Android has a larger marketshare, that is there are more android phones out in the wild then iPhones. Why pull up tent stakes because Apple had a great quarter.

Basically, you're saying that everyone else should give up because apple has them beat. I think that's wrong, as many people prefer choice and others do not like iPhones.

While I agree with the sentiment, the fallacy here is comparing the iPhone to Android. That's incorrect as you are comparing one company to a platform.

The question is regarding individual OEMs like HTC, Samsung etc. And Apple definitely has them beat individually, but that's been the case for some time now as Apple has dominated the profits in the industry.

Honestly, competition within the Android camp would like force a company like HTC out of the smartphone business before Apple would.

And as you said, HTC turned a profit last quarter and are finally on the up and up. Which is good for them - I really like what they have to offer.....better than Samsung in my opinion.

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Samsung made almost 5 billion pure profit in Q4 ending 2014 and up 23% from q3.

It is still 37% down from its peak when the gs3 came out but it will never hit those numbers again.there is just to much market saturation now and don't expect apple to have a bigger year then the last 2 quaters.they finally got a bigger screen and that's what everyone was waiting for.

There will be a lot less iPhone 6s and 6plus s sales mid year then they were last year

And for all the samsung haters they gained 23% going up against serious comp in the android market and went head to head with the iPhone 6 and 6 plus and still made gains

I don't think that's entirely true. The 6/6+ were constrained more than recent releases. We could see the effects cause the "boom" in iPhone sales to linger longer than recent years.

My guess is the 6/6+ give Apple bigger 2nd and 3rd quarters this year than they had last year. But that's historically been true anyways.

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To put it simply:

-Android dominates as the most used platform.
-Apple dominates as it sells the best selling smartphone line.
-Apple dominates as it sells the best selling smartphone.

To compare the two (Android & Apple) based on one metric is absurd as they aren't equal. Now, one could compare iOS to Android in which case Android hold a vast majority of marketshare.

One could then also compare Apple to Samsung, HTC, etc and find that Apple sells the best-selling smartphone every year (that year's iPhone model) and owns the best selling smartphone line (the iPhone line when compare to the Galaxy line or One series, etc).

To say there are more Android phones than iPhones is completely true, but also a bit disingenuous. To say there are more iPhones than Galaxy phones is true and more apt comparison.

 

[gotluck]

well a direct comparison between samsung and apple has its quirks too, as apple has a 'monopoly' on iOS while samsung does not have that luxury

apple is in its own unique position, them and only them could have resisted large screens as long as they did / still use 1gb ram in flagships - while retaining immense profits. It's really difficult to compare apple to anything really (WRT iOS at least). They play to a different set of rules. Their control over iOS keeps them from having to compete in certain areas where android OEMs must.

android users as a whole benefit from increased marketshare through hopefully increased app development/ quality / attention to the platform

there really is no perfect way to compare

 

[MasterRyu2011]

well a direct comparison between samsung and apple has its quirks too, as apple has a 'monopoly' on iOS while samsung does not have that luxury

apple is in its own unique position, them and only them could have resisted large screens as long as they did / still use 1gb ram in flagships - while retaining immense profits. It's really difficult to compare apple to anything really (WRT iOS at least). They play to a different set of rules. Their control over iOS keeps them from having to compete in certain areas where android OEMs must.

android users as a whole benefit from increased marketshare through hopefully increased app development/ quality / attention to the platform

there really is no perfect way to compare

This is probably the best take on the iOS/Android comparison. Apple is in a unique position vs the rest of the OEMs. It's both a pro and a con (most a pro)

 

[jrswizzle]

well a direct comparison between samsung and apple has its quirks too, as apple has a 'monopoly' on iOS while samsung does not have that luxury

apple is in its own unique position, them and only them could have resisted large screens as long as they did / still use 1gb ram in flagships - while retaining immense profits. It's really difficult to compare apple to anything really (WRT iOS at least). They play to a different set of rules. Their control over iOS keeps them from having to compete in certain areas where android OEMs must.

android users as a whole benefit from increased marketshare through hopefully increased app development/ quality / attention to the platform

there really is no perfect way to compare

It would appear Samsung may be on its way to being more comparable to Apple ala Tizen.....

I see what you're saying.

 

[fredaroony]

Swiftkey is a great keyboard app on Android. I have used it for years without a single issue on multiple Android phones. In fact it is my default keyboard on Android. But on IOS its a whole different story. I will back up what Fredaroony says about Swiftkey on IOS. It does not play nice. It sometimes will disappear entirely leaving me without a keyboard and not way to change it. It has turned imessage upside down sideways. It has even froze my iphone. I have to reboot my 6+ to get a keyboard back and restore functionality..

I never mentioned Swiftkey.

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That is a problem with 3rd party keyboards.

Right so this issues isn't Apple's, it's all the 3rd party keyboard vendor's?

 

[jamezr]

I never mentioned Swiftkey.

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Right so this issues isn't Apple's, it's all the 3rd party keyboard vendor's?

3rd party keyboards on IOS. Those same keyboards work on Android.

 

[fredaroony]

3rd party keyboards on IOS. Those same keyboards work on Android.

To me this is clearly an iOS issue.

 

[apolloa]

I have to laugh at the 'it just works' mentality with Apple. Even today I was manually setting the DNS and IP addresses onto a family members iPad because of the network bug in beta iOS8, I now consider every iOS release to be in Beta because they are full of bugs. we connected a APPLE TIMECAPSULE and that was it, no more auto WiFi connection.

Apple's iOS USED to just work, thanks to lack of proper testing though it no longer does IMO.

 

[gotluck]

It would appear Samsung may be on its way to being more comparable to Apple ala Tizen.....

I see what you're saying.

I wish them the best, they want to be like Apple (everyone does really), but it wont happen IMO

if they drop play store / google services they are done