Never "just worked" for me, even when I had a 3GS I had Bluetooth issues in my Ford where I had to turn the car off after each call to get it to reconnect. Every other phone I tried worked perfectly.
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Never "just worked" for me, even when I had a 3GS I had Bluetooth issues in my Ford where I had to turn the car off after each call to get it to reconnect. Every other phone I tried worked perfectly.
It's pretty much always "just worked" for me.
Though with any piece of technology I expect bugs and hiccups from time to time. Certainly have an easier time with my Apple products than others I've had/tried.
But of course, each use case is different. I'd gather that their marketing people likely weren't envisioning a world in which all devices worked flawlessly 100% of the time for every person who ever owned one.
If so, I'd also surmise they were likely under the influence of some real good sh**.
Bugs introduced via third party keyboards is not exclusive to ios. I installed Fleksy on my Nexus 6 and the entire phone became a mess so I had to uninstall it.
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Yosemite is terrible.
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I wish them the best, they want to be like Apple (everyone does really), but it wont happen IMO
if they drop play store / google services they are done
Can you imagine the first time someone starts up their Tizen based smartphone and thinks they got a lemon because they can't find any of their apps?
But its clear other platforms have issues with third party keyboards too on occasion. At what point do the developers have to take responsibility for the smoothness of the apps they are designing and creating? See the example below, what would you make of that? You also didn't elaborate further as to what other 'weird' issues you had with Swiftkey on iOS when I enquired. Was it really just that one issue but you exaggerated a little?
Perhaps Apple sabotaged it on the Nexus?
No I really am joking lol.
But its clear other platforms have issues with third party keyboards too on occasion. At what point do the developers have to take responsibility for the smoothness of the apps they are designing and creating? See the example below, what would you make of that? You also didn't elaborate further as to what other 'weird' issues you had with Swiftkey on iOS when I enquired. Was it really just that one issue but you exaggerated a little?
Perhaps Apple sabotaged it on the Nexus?
No I really am joking lol.
Apple make the API for the keyboard and it should no affect the rest of the app. I missed your post about elaborating, mainly just the messages app doing this and similar display glitches.
It was not a one time only event either.
I still think the developer should be testing the product before it is released regardless of whether Apple make the API for the keyboard.
Fair enough on the display glitches. I have installed Swiftkey again to see if it happens over the next week just for curiosity. However I bet Switkey have updated it by now.
I just uninstalled it, it's been a boatload of problems for me especially after updates.
Last I read Google and Samsung had a group hug and worked everything out and they were not going to bring Tizen to phones. I'd love to see Samsung do it, the iOS/Android duopoly needs to go. Fracturing Android like that would open a hole that some of the other platforms could fill in.
Too bad Samsung is bringing Tizen to phones. I had hopes of getting a non-android Samsung high-end phone some day, but I see that is not going to happen.
Never wanted one of these no matter the OS, but Samsung is really the only OEM that could break Android.
I thought they had already released a Tizen-driven smartphone in India?
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I don't think it would "break" Android. I also don't think Samsung would crumble either.
It would be rocky at first. But my guess is marketshare would even out over time to something like 40%/35%/20% (with the rest being WP and others).
Android/iOS/Tizen (generally speaking - individual countries would vary).
Why do you want to break Android? What about IOS on say the HTC M8? to me that makes as much sense as breaking Android...breaking IOS.
Tizen may have happened in India I just don't know, I was just repeating what I had read. The thing about Samsung switching is not to break Samsung but to break the seeming Google lock on handset makers. If Samsung goes the way of Apple and iOS the rest of the OEM don't need to compete with them and their resources at that point they maybe inclined to adopt other OS with the steady revenue from Android. An M8 with Ubuntu or Jolla would be pretty fun I think. Maybe I'm just talking out hope who knows but I'd really like to see something other than Android and iOS.
I thought there was an effort to get Ubuntu on the Nexus line?
I think i get what you are saying now. I would love to see IOS on an M9 or S6 as well as Ubuntu.
I feel like Samsung moving to Tizen would be a breath of fresh air for HTC. Why would they switch OSes when they could become the dominant Android OEM again?
Android certainly wouldn't go away and, in my mind, would still be the dominant marketshare player. HTC would be smart to stay the course.
Samsung and HTC are in totally different places. One fancies themselves another Apple while the other is barely eeking out profits.
Not really. They grab 50% of 4th quarter. Hate to break the apple love fest but 4Q Apple always has a spike. No one else really release phones around then so Apple gets a massive spike. What really matters is the 12 month cycle.
I agree it would probably remain dominant but what is would do is free up resources at some of the other OEM's which could be used to create the out from Android if something were to change or just run a dual line of phones. From a company standpoint it seems like a bad call to have all your eggs in the Android basket.
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There has been, just like there has been for a few tablets but it's community driven and hasn't really been all that successful. Maybe the vaporware Ubuntu phone will arrive, I really, really hope it does but it's not enough on it's own I don't think.
IMO if another os wants to take a bite out of android it will have to either facilitate sideloading android or ios apps without such overhead like with blackberry.
if someone could navigate the legal tightrope that would be facilitating sideloading ios apps, it could be huge
if you do neither, then we will have another windows phone, which is fun and all, but I don't think I could use it as a daily driver (at least without a backup or secondary phone / bring tablet with me much more often)
the ability to build your own pc increases the demand for projects like linux, i still think we have a ways to go on restricted/structured mobile. it's hard enough for devs to get hardware drivers for android builds. I could see it getting popular on things like tv sticks and atypical devices before getting widespread on phones
if someone could navigate the legal tightrope that would be facilitating sideloading ios apps, it could be huge
if you do neither, then we will have another windows phone, which is fun and all, but I don't think I could use it as a daily driver (at least without a backup or secondary phone / bring tablet with me much more often)
the ability to build your own pc increases the demand for projects like linux, i still think we have a ways to go on restricted/structured mobile. it's hard enough for devs to get hardware drivers for android builds. I could see it getting popular on things like tv sticks and atypical devices before getting widespread on phones
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It would require an OEM with a massive following and a lot of brand loyalty.
At this point, Samsung is the only one who COULD pull it off. They would need to get developers on board early though to make sure the Tizen App Store is built up. If Google can create apps for iOS, they'd create apps for Tizen.
Remember, Google doesn't much care about Android. It's all about Google services. As long as they can get their services onto devices, they don't care what OS the device runs.
Being the largest smartphone producer in the world, I doubt Samsung would have a hard time convincing developers to get on board. Much easier than Blackberry or Microsoft.
Google could very well support tizen and they do indeed support ios very well.
but they have largely shunned windows phone and I can't help but think they would fight with samsung, would have been interesting to have been a fly on the wall during the tizen talks. I wager they held that over samsungs head and used windows phone as proof they would do such a thing.
I think google views ios as the exception, because thats where the money is
Apple is an OEM. Samsung is an OEM.
Microsoft and Google are not.
It doesn't surprise me that Google shuns Windows Phone. They directly compete with Microsoft in that services are their number one moneymaker and WP has a tiny marketshare.
Apple, while providing excellent services, is a hardware manufacturer first and foremost. They make their money on the hardware. Plus, Google would be insane to ignore the hundreds of millions (nearly a billion?) iOS customers.
Samsung would be no different. They make their money on hardware and provide a far weaker line of services than Apple does. Google can easily keep their hands in the Samsung pot of customers even if Tizen becomes the go-to.
And Google wouldn't want to lose the hundreds of millions of Samsung customers either.
microsoft is an oem now imo btw lumia and surface pro, even if sales dont say so. at least more of an oem than google. both programs are more rigorous and widespread in retail than the nexus series.
I guess when it comes to tizen, my question is whats the point? It was rumored to be compatible with android apps, but where is the value in changing and maintaining the new system? I could hardly believe that samsung of all people could develop better performing software. It's taken them forever to get around to streamlining touchwiz, if they could hatch a unicorn, sure it would be awesome
I guess google could support it but in my eyes google showed samsung it was in samsungs own best interest not to proceed with tizen full stop. maybe they can make it perform better on the low end, but android has made some pretty big leaps in low end performance
if this is all about tin foil hattery about google, there are ways to de-google android. I dont think the demand is there for such a product in the mainstream though
google wouldn't be losing hundreds of millions of samsung customers initially either
samsung would have to convince their own customers to upgrade to a tizen phone
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Have to agree disagree here. If it was only about getting as many eyeballs on Google Services as possible, they wouldn't continue to shun Microsoft and Windows Phone.
As much as I think it would be great for a third ecosystem to make decent penetration into the market, I just don't see it happening. Many developers find it hard enough to support both iOS and Android presently. Ask them why they don't support the WP ecosystem and most reply they don't have the time/resources to invest in an area with little to no return. What's going to make it any different for Samsung if Amazon, Microsoft, and Blackberry, three titans (or were once upon a time) in their own regard, can't make a dent?
Google wants to keep Samsung under it's control. Samsung wants to be Apple and control it's own stuff. That's where the real motivations lie.
We all may see Samsung's software as lackluster, but they sure don't see it that way.
Google doesn't produce the Nexus devices. They aren't an OEM in any way. I guess you are now correct about Microsoft with the acquisition of Nokia. Still, that's a relatively new thing and the marketshare there just doesn't give Google much of any incentive to push the envelope.
With an Apple or Samsung, the marketshare necessitates Google's involvement. Remember, iOS devices began with Google services built in. Samsung's devices are that way now - and they could move away to Tizen.
Why did Apple push Google out? Why would Samsung push Google out?
The answers to each are likely extremely similar.
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The bolded is the point. That's why they shun Microsoft. And that's why they WOULDN'T shun Tizen.
Samsung is the largest Smartphone producer in the world. If they moved to their own OS, Google would HAVE to oblige.
And you don't think developers wouldn't also get on board? You think they'd simply ignore arguably the most or second most popular smartphone brand in the world?
Amazon, Microsoft, Blackberry.....none of these companies is Samsung.
It'd definitely be a difficult thing and take a company in a very unique position to pull it off. I think Samsung is in that position and they are the only ones who could pull it off.....not without hiccups I'm sure.
But if they truly want to become Apple (it sure as heck seems like they do, despite their assertion they are the anti-Apple), they need to have complete control over their products.
Heck, they'd be in an even more unique position than Apple is as Samsung would control literally EVERYTHING about their devices. From the batteries, displays and processors (all made by Samsung) to the OS and software.
Apple does things their way for a reason. The tight integration of hardware and software pays off. Don't think Samsung hasn't noticed that and sees the potential they could have.
And if you disagree with my point about Android, tell me this. How much money does Google make off of Android? How money do they make from having an OEM produce Android devices - not looking at the use of Google services on those devices?
That is a good point. I really can't believe you are viewing samsung as a potential equal of apple though
I just don't see it that way, they don't have the brand power, super loyal following, history as sophisticated software pioneers , etc. I could go on and on
personally I love samsung hardware, but don't want anything to do with their software, nor how closely they are in bed with the carriers. the GS4 Google Play Edition is their most perfect device IMO (phone has received 7 updates so far, surely record for samsung), so all of my comments are coming from that bias.
I dont want my OEM's doing software (with the exception of microsoft's in house products and apple), just do the drivers. Same reason you wipe any PC bought from an OEM as soon as you get it
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After reading your post above I am truly in shock with how much faith you have in samsung!
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I don't disagree that Samsung sees itself as replicating the soup to nuts Apple ecosystem, I just don't think they'll be able to pull it off. Where I think the comparison primarily falls apart is with the customers. Samsung mobile customers and Apple customers are so very different, IMO. I don't see the prolific loyalty for Samsung devices. I see Android loyalists, not Samsung loyalists, or at least not nearly a significant presence. You don't find any fervor for new Samsung products, no launch day events, lines around a city block that have been there for often, many days. There's a reason so many devs go iOS first--the disparity in app spending is enormous vs. Android--the same pool Samsung customers currently occupy. And this is with an ecosystem with a huge advantage in marketshare. There isn't going to all of a sudden be this giant pot of money for devs to split by going with Samsung. And as potluck stated, Samsung's software experience is far from exceptional. I think more people deal with it because it's what there...they do go seek it out.
I hear what your saying and agree that yes, if there was another company with any sort of chance to mimic Apple, it's likely Samsung. I just don't think they'll be able to do it. They are missing far too many of the ingredients for that recipe.
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