iPhone domination

[gotluck]

^ I like that, yes the customers

I think the most loyal samsung customers use the note line because the experience really is not available anywhere else. Aside from that, I'm not so sure. Maybe I'm just not a loyal person (WRT corporations ), but all of my urges to stay with samsung are rooted in hardware. removable battery, sd card, led blaster, great internals, screen, etc

 

[jrswizzle]

That is a good point. I really can't believe you are viewing samsung as a potential equal of apple though

I just don't see it that way, they don't have the brand power, super loyal following, history as sophisticated software pioneers , etc. I could go on and on

personally I love samsung hardware, but don't want anything to do with their software, nor how closely they are in bed with the carriers. the GS4 Google Play Edition is their most perfect device IMO (phone has received 7 updates so far, surely record for samsung), so all of my comments are coming from that bias.

I dont want my OEM's doing software (with the exception of microsoft's in house products and apple), just do the drivers. Same reason you wipe any PC bought from an OEM as soon as you get it

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After reading your post above I am truly in shock with how much faith you have in samsung!

I don't disagree that Samsung sees itself as replicating the soup to nuts Apple ecosystem, I just don't think they'll be able to pull it off. Where I think the comparison primarily falls apart is with the customers. Samsung mobile customers and Apple customers are so very different, IMO. I don't see the prolific loyalty for Samsung devices. I see Android loyalists, not Samsung loyalists, or at least not nearly a significant presence. You don't find any fervor for new Samsung products, no launch day events, lines around a city block that have been there for often, many days. There's a reason so many devs go iOS first--the disparity in app spending is enormous vs. Android--the same pool Samsung customers currently occupy. And this is with an ecosystem with a huge advantage in marketshare. There isn't going to all of a sudden be this giant pot of money for devs to split by going with Samsung. And as potluck stated, Samsung's software experience is far from exceptional. I think more people deal with it because it's what there...they do go seek it out.

I hear what your saying and agree that yes, if there was another company with any sort of chance to mimic Apple, it's likely Samsung. I just don't think they'll be able to do it. They are missing far too many of the ingredients for that recipe.

Haha - I have no love for Samsung, but I feel like I can be practical and logical in my assessments.

Just to be clear, I never said I thought Samsung could/would be Apple (as in ridiculously successful, owning the market). I simply made the points that if anyone can follow that model, Samsung can.

I don't think Samsung would be as successful as Apple. To the tune of roughly half the marketshare iOS would retain (35% vs 20%).

I also think, part of the "becoming more like Apple" would include breaking from the carriers and attempting to dictate terms like Apple does. Whether or not that is successful is an entirely different story.

I truly do think Samsung ultimately wants to be Apple. I've always thought that. Which is why I've always found it so humorous that fanboys take this "Samsung is the hero/anti-Apple" stance.

Incredibly Ironic.

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^ I like that, yes the customers

I think the most loyal samsung customers use the note line because the experience really is not available anywhere else. Aside from that, I'm not so sure. Maybe I'm just not a loyal person (WRT corporations ), but all of my urges to stay with samsung are rooted in hardware. removable battery, sd card, led blaster, great internals, screen, etc

I think that's why they'd be able to make it. They have enough of a following on their hardware to break away.

If people just bought Samsung because its what's there, HTC wouldn't have gone from Android pioneer to near collapse in the last 5 years. I'd argue what HTC puts out is superior to Samsung, yet HTC is barely scraping by.

I think Samsung has more of a loyal following than people realize.

 

[goofy1958]

It's the Apple way to keep users from having full functionality and anyone who has ever owned an iDevice knows it too.

Please enlighten us isheep then as to what functionality we are missing out on, that we absolutely cannot do without, so then must rush out to buy an Android phone, since they are already perfect?

 

[pdqgp]

Please enlighten us isheep then as to what functionality we are missing out on, that we absolutely cannot do without, so then must rush out to buy an Android phone, since they are already perfect?

It's not about rushing to Android, it's rushing to continually upgrade. In the end, larger screens...peeps just jumped on them. Apple kept that from you for years teased you with the iP5 then finally a real larger phone in the 6 and 6+

 

[burgman]

It's not about rushing to Android, it's rushing to continually upgrade. In the end, larger screens...peeps just jumped on them. Apple kept that from you for years teased you with the iP5 then finally a real larger phone in the 6 and 6+

Got it Android users are edgy tech hipsters doing cool stuff. iPhone users are not. Talk about lack of innovation from another Android fanboy.

 

[pdqgp]

Got it Android users are edgy tech hipsters doing cool stuff. iPhone users are not. Talk about lack of innovation from another Android fanboy.

I have no idea why you quoted me with what you said. Fanboy.....yeah sure It's just so apparent by all the gear I own.....

 

[I7guy]

Got it Android users are edgy tech hipsters doing cool stuff. iPhone users are not. Talk about lack of innovation from another Android fanboy.

"It's not about rushing to Android, it's rushing to continually upgrade. In the end, larger screens...peeps just jumped on them. Apple kept that from you for years teased you with the iP5 then finally a real larger phone in the 6 and 6+"

He's clearly not that, although there are some strange ideas about starving apple customers for functionality, releasing it in dribs and drabs and watch the feeding frenzy from the apple customers. (not going to use the i..... word).

Or an alternate explaination is the the sales of the i6 was the convergence of a perfect storm of prior ipnone owners (prior to 5s) and android owners who wanted a bigger screen.

I mean I don't know, but a few think they know the psyche of 70 million people.

 

[The-Real-Deal82]

Well it is now being widely reported that Apple are on course to overtake Samsung as the most popular single smartphone maker for the first time since being overtaken 3 years ago. I keep seeing people complaining about the iPhone's not have enough functionality, but they are selling well and people like me are at a loss as to what we are supposed to be missing of any considerable value? Of course there are devices out there that have more features, but isn't it down to the consumer to decide what they want their device to do? If the more feature packed and often cheaper devices are not being purchased in the same number as the less functional iPhone, would it not suggest the features missing are lower on the list of priorities for a hefty chunk of the market at the higher end? My iPhone 6 has features on it now I don't use and will never likely use. It is great to have choice and having features as an option is perhaps better than not having them. However when there comes a time when I feel I am truly missing something on my phone I can't do without, I will buy the device that suits my needs better.

 

[I7guy]

Well it is now being widely reported that Apple are on course to overtake Samsung as the most popular single smartphone maker for the first time since being overtaken 3 years ago. I keep seeing people complaining about the iPhone's not have enough functionality, but they are selling well and people like me are at a loss as to what we are supposed to be missing of any considerable value? Of course there are devices out there that have more features, but isn't it down to the consumer to decide what they want their device to do? If the more feature packed and often cheaper devices are not being purchased in the same number as the less functional iPhone, would it not suggest the features missing are lower on the list of priorities for a hefty chunk of the market at the higher end? My iPhone 6 has features on it now I don't use and will never likely use. It is great to have choice and having features as an option is perhaps better than not having them. However when there comes a time when I feel I am truly missing something on my phone I can't do without, I will buy the device that suits my needs better.

there are some who believe iphone is low on features and high on price. That's why choce and competition are good...get what suits you.

 

[goofy1958]

It's not about rushing to Android, it's rushing to continually upgrade. In the end, larger screens...peeps just jumped on them. Apple kept that from you for years teased you with the iP5 then finally a real larger phone in the 6 and 6+

Hmm, so no answer to my question of what functionality that we isheep are missing that Android has. Big surprise there.

As far as the larger screens go, yes, I am a proud owner of a 6 plus. It is an awesome phone. Tim Cook mentioned in an interview that they could have released a larger screen iphone years ago, but chose not to until they could get it right. It isn't just about pixels as some people think. Add in color saturation, chromatic consistency, battery life, and a host of other reasons for wanting the best display possible for the phone, and that is why they waited. Not because they wanted to dribble out features.

Of course, your opinion of them is different than mine, as I feel that Apple waits until a technology is mature and can be implemented in the best way possible, rather than the throw everything at it, and see what sticks method of some manufacturers. One example is LTE. Most android phones had it well before Apple, but the early chips drained the battery like crazy. Apple waited until the tech matured to the point where it did not affect battery life nearly as much. That's called good engineering.

As far as upgrade frenzy, well, I usually upgrade every 2 years. My wife is still using her 3 1/2 year old 4s, and still loves it. I don't believe that is out of line with most people. How is that upgrade frenzy? If you bought an S3, wouldn't you wish to upgrade to an S5 after 2 years? Or was that already a "perfect" phone that never needs an upgrade?

 

[gotluck]

iphone users are missing (without jailbreak):
full bluetooth stack
full nfc
external storage
ir blasters
potential removable battery
full email attachment support
cross platform continuity
device automation available with tasker
flash (haha)
ps4 remote play

that's all i got for now

 

[jamezr]

iphone users are missing (without jailbreak):
full bluetooth stack
full nfc
external storage
ir blasters
potential removable battery
full email attachment support
cross platform continuity
device automation available with tasker
flash (haha)
ps4 remote play

that's all i got for now

A real file system for access to the data storage. It would be nice to have access to the 40GB i have left on my 64GB 6+ to use as I wish.

 

[Oletros]

Tim Cook mentioned in an interview that they could have released a larger screen iphone years ago, but chose not to until they could get it right. It isn't just about pixels as some people think. Add in color saturation, chromatic consistency, battery life, and a host of other reasons for wanting the best display possible for the phone, and that is why they waited. Not because they wanted to dribble out features

Yap, because screens on other smartphones were garbage

 

[I7guy]

Yap, because screens on other smartphones were garbage

You might have read into something that wasn't said. #

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iphone users are missing (without jailbreak):
full bluetooth stack
full nfc
external storage
ir blasters
potential removable battery
full email attachment support
cross platform continuity
device automation available with tasker
flash (haha)
ps4 remote play

that's all i got for now

Here we go again.

 

[Oletros]

You might have read into something that wasn't said. #

Saying that they didn't released a big screen until done right means that the others are not doing it right.

Funny thing is talking about battery life when one of the big things said about Android phablets were they do that to have a bigger battery.

 

[cbobb123]

As far as the larger screens go, yes, I am a proud owner of a 6 plus. It is an awesome phone. Tim Cook mentioned in an interview that they could have released a larger screen iphone years ago, but chose not to until they could get it right. It isn't just about pixels as some people think. Add in color saturation, chromatic consistency, battery life, and a host of other reasons for wanting the best display possible for the phone, and that is why they waited. Not because they wanted to dribble out features.

Of course, your opinion of them is different than mine, as I feel that Apple waits until a technology is mature and can be implemented in the best way possible, rather than the throw everything at it, and see what sticks method of some manufacturers. One example is LTE. Most android phones had it well before Apple, but the early chips drained the battery like crazy. Apple waited until the tech matured to the point where it did not affect battery life nearly as much. That's called good engineering.

Wow. I guess everything is rubbish until Apple uses it then like Phablets and 1080p displays. Apple doesn't wait until technology "matures". Most features on Android works perfectly long before they are "borrowed" by Apple.

 

[gotluck]

You might have read into something that wasn't said. ��

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Here we go again.

well, he asked about 'missing' functionality and nobody was answering..

I hope you aren't arguing there is feature parity between the platforms at least unjailbroken

 

[jrswizzle]

iphone users are missing (without jailbreak):
full bluetooth stack
full nfc
external storage
ir blasters
potential removable battery
full email attachment support
cross platform continuity
device automation available with tasker
flash (haha)
ps4 remote play

that's all i got for now

The only one that even remotely affects me is the email attachment support. It's my last iOS bugaboo.

Other than that, I have alternatives/no use for anything else you listed.

 

[goofy1958]

iphone users are missing (without jailbreak):
full bluetooth stack
all of my Bluetooth devices work, so what the heck do you think I am missing?
full nfc
Are you speaking of the fact that Apple does not currently allow 3rd party apps access to it, so we can have lame apps that we can make notes around are house to do things I couldn't care less about doing?
external storage
never needed it, and couldn't care less
ir blasters
what is this, and what would I do with it?
potential removable battery
never an issue with me so couldn't care less
full email attachment support
what am I missing? I attach all kinds of files to my emails.
cross platform continuity
with whom, and why should I care?
device automation available with tasker
to do what?
flash (haha)
yeah, good luck with that. Flash is absolutely the worst POS application ever released into the market, and needs to die a quick death. I have it disabled on every PC in my house.
ps4 remote play
huh?? who cares??

that's all i got for now

Well, when you actually come up with something useful, please feel free to try again. I could not care less or need ANY of the items you mentioned.

 

[jrswizzle]

Saying that they didn't released a big screen until done right means that the others are not doing it right.

Funny thing is talking about battery life when one of the big things said about Android phablets were they do that to have a bigger battery.

And yet don't get great (better than iPhones) battery life.

Bigger batteries, worse battery life. I know many like you see nefarious, greedy motivations behind everything Apple does. But is there not ANY way Cook could've been telling the truth - a very general truth, but true nonetheless?

I had used Android devices, but still preferred my smaller iPhone. I was perfectly fine with the 5S. Do I love my 6+? Heck yes - but that doesn't mean that I now loathe the 5S. There are plenty of people out there that have had a taste of the 6/6+ and still prefer the 5S.

Android fans here seem to think the only reason phones like the 4/4S and 5/5S were popular is because iOS users had no other option/didn't know any better.

Truth is, those screen sizes were comfortable and easily handled. Lots of people miss that.

 

[goofy1958]

Yap, because screens on other smartphones were garbage

I have looked at the screens for many other smartphones - Samsung, LG, HTC, and yes, most of them are crap compared to the iPhone. IMHO.

 

[jrswizzle]

Wow. I guess everything is rubbish until Apple uses it then like Phablets and 1080p displays. Apple doesn't wait until technology "matures". Most features on Android works perfectly long before they are "borrowed" by Apple.

I'm sorry - but you went completely the opposite way to the other extreme, when there's a more logical middle ground that likely is reality.

Nothing technological works perfectly. Ever. And Android devices have had their fair share of learning curves and new technology issues.

 

[goofy1958]

Wow. I guess everything is rubbish until Apple uses it then like Phablets and 1080p displays. Apple doesn't wait until technology "matures". Most features on Android works perfectly long before they are "borrowed" by Apple.

Wow, way to read something into that statement!! I never said that the features, such as 3g or LTE didn't work on other phones. Geez. No need to get yourself in a tiff. I said that Apple doesn't add that kind of stuff to their phones until Apple thinks it is ready for them. Might be battery life, or component size, or price, or who knows how many other reasons.

I am happy that you like your Android phone.

 

[Oletros]

I know many like you see nefarious, greedy motivations behind everything Apple does.

I'm really tires of accusations like this. Find just one ****ing post accusing Apple of nefarious intentions or greed. Just one.
If you don't find one, and you won't find, please, stop putting thing in my mouth.

My God, it is really tiresome to be in a site were people just think in black and white.

Android fans here seem to think the only reason phones like the 4/4S and 5/5S were popular is because iOS users had no other option/didn't know any better.

Perhaps some Android fans think that but I'm not one of them so I don't know why the heck you make this comment to me.

 

[mi7chy]

I said that Apple doesn't add that kind of stuff to their phones until Apple thinks it is ready for them.

So, what's the hold up with Apple adding more than 1GB DRAM that's two years overdue other than prfit$?