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I concur with his assessment.

Not suitable (for me) as a daily driver.

1) Often times I would go to use my phone and it would either be: out of charge or had some kind of panic and needed the battery pulled to reset.

2) Force closing of applications.

3) Having to pull the battery.

I rooted and flashed ROMs to try and fix this behavior. It would happen weekly. Sometimes daily.

I used Android for 2 years. Had enough and went back to my iPhone with the 5S.

Not suitable for a daily driver.

A faulty smartphone

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No.

It wasn't touchwiz.

I opted for the Galaxy Nexus series because I didn't want any bloat and wanted a 'pure' experience.

It was horrible.

Then tried the Note and it just made the experience worse because of the added touchwiz layer.

Are you saying that it happen in both the Galaxy Nexus and the Note?
 

jamezr

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I concur with his assessment.

Not suitable (for me) as a daily driver.

1) Often times I would go to use my phone and it would either be: out of charge or had some kind of panic and needed the battery pulled to reset.

2) Force closing of applications.

3) Having to pull the battery.

I rooted and flashed ROMs to try and fix this behavior. It would happen weekly. Sometimes daily.

I used Android for 2 years. Had enough and went back to my iPhone with the 5S.

Not suitable for a daily driver.
Sorry you had those experiences. I had similar experiences with the iphone 4 and 4s. Terrible battery life and constant battery drain. The screen had yellow spots. Then to top it all off it had the death grip. So if you held it your hand the IP4 would lose all signal. Then the camera was bad on 3 units and had to be replaced. So all in all not a good experience for me. Not suitable for a daily driver.......

But i tried the iphone again and now the 6+ is my daily driver.
I think if you tried Android again on a newer flagship phone like say the HTC M9 coming out in March, i think it would be a better experience for you.
 

jrswizzle

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Still don't understand what your point is about large screens. Oh well.

It's not difficult or complex....

All things equal, a bigger display doesn't mean more functionality.

Software, supporting hardware all need to actually take advantage of the added display space in order to realize any additional functionality.

That's all.
 

pdqgp

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I concur with his assessment.

Not suitable (for me) as a daily driver.

1) Often times I would go to use my phone and it would either be: out of charge or had some kind of panic and needed the battery pulled to reset.

2) Force closing of applications.

3) Having to pull the battery.

I rooted and flashed ROMs to try and fix this behavior. It would happen weekly. Sometimes daily.

I used Android for 2 years. Had enough and went back to my iPhone with the 5S.

Not suitable for a daily driver.

Not what I would call a typical experience. My Note 3 has been great in terms of battery life and I've never had to reset it. I do reboot it every couple days but I do the same with my PC and never have issues.

I don't force apps to close. I see no need. The OS Manages apps and running processes quite well. Mine is on 4.4.4

No battery pulls. I've never removed the back except when I installed my additional Micro SD Card.
 

jrswizzle

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Not what I would call a typical experience. My Note 3 has been great in terms of battery life and I've never had to reset it. I do reboot it every couple days but I do the same with my PC and never have issues.

I don't force apps to close. I see no need. The OS Manages apps and running processes quite well. Mine is on 4.4.4

No battery pulls. I've never removed the back except when I installed my additional Micro SD Card.

So I could say the same thing about the people who claim their iPhone wigs out on them.

Not a typical experience, faulty device.

Can't have it one way and not the other.

Also - big difference in Apple's favor, if I do happen to have a faulty device (which I have) - a half an hour at the Apple store and I've got a brand new device no charge.
 

pdqgp

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So I could say the same thing about the people who claim their iPhone wigs out on them. Not a typical experience, faulty device. Can't have it one way and not the other.

have I ever implied otherwise? nope.

Also - big difference in Apple's favor, if I do happen to have a faulty device (which I have) - a half an hour at the Apple store and I've got a brand new device no charge.

I've never in the many years I've had a cell phone had a warranty related problem. AT&T has a solid return program for the initial period if needed. Glad your situation worked out.
 

jrswizzle

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have I ever implied otherwise? nope.



I've never in the many years I've had a cell phone had a warranty related problem. AT&T has a solid return program for the initial period if needed. Glad your situation worked out.

Oh plenty of people have brought up software bugs and other issues to counter why the iPhone is dominant. I thought you had as well. In fact that's how the conversations started (at least when I got into this thread).

My point was only that technology isn't perfect and any piece of tech can have problems. Just the nature of it.

Returning things is a pain. AT&T has traditionally charged a restocking fee as well. I prefer to get stuff fixed and you can't deny Apple's retail presence is a huge plus in their favor.

Compare that to my Nexus 7 display coming unglued and having to wait weeks for a replacement or having an issue with a Nexus 5 and have the replacement get lost in the mail.
 

pdqgp

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Oh plenty of people have brought up software bugs and other issues to counter why the iPhone is dominant. I thought you had as well. In fact that's how the conversations started (at least when I got into this thread).

I don't think it was me that spoke to that. I'm an iOS user as you can see and while I'm no longer an iPhone user myself, I can appreciate what they have finally brought to the surface so far. It's still lacking in several ways for me especially as it relates to customizations and limitations but that's okay. I'm sure they will continue to evolve things and who knows I might eventually be back. With the Note on 4.4.4 I don't miss iOS at all. I actually have my phone more streamlined for my way of use vs my previous iPhones as they won't allow certain things. iOS 8 on the iPad is okay, but still nothing that would cause me to switch based on what it offers. Call it a draw for me with a slight lean towards Android.

My point was only that technology isn't perfect and any piece of tech can have problems. Just the nature of it.

Agree. Both have issues. My big jab earlier was at the "just works" point. More of a reality check than a jab as they both work but not on all the time.

Returning things is a pain. AT&T has traditionally charged a restocking fee as well. I prefer to get stuff fixed and you can't deny Apple's retail presence is a huge plus in their favor.

No doubt their retail presence is a plus for them. I've never shopped or gone into their stores though as I've had no need. Our iDevices have come through AT&T without issue. Although I've bought my Note 3 through AT&T the team of Samsung folks at Best Buy have helped me on accessories and other items pretty well.
 

jrswizzle

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Agree. Both have issues. My big jab earlier was at the "just works" point. More of a reality check than a jab as they both work but not on all the time.

I've always felt that slogan had more to do with features like taking a photo on your iPhone and having that photo instantly appear across all your Apple devices. Stuff like that, to me, "just works".

From a technical standpoint, I don't think you'd find anyone at Apple who claims their devices are bug free and won't sometimes succumb to issues.


No doubt their retail presence is a plus for them. I've never shopped or gone into their stores though as I've had no need. Our iDevices have come through AT&T without issue. Although I've bought my Note 3 through AT&T the team of Samsung folks at Best Buy have helped me on accessories and other items pretty well.

This last pre-order was the last straw for me ordering through AT&T. Pre-order my wife's iPhone 6 (with confirmation), only to get another email 45 minutes later (keep in mind this is at nearly 3 AM) that my pre-order was cancelled (no reason given).

Luckily Apple still had some of the Gold 16 GB 6's available later that day for pre-order. I was in line with a guy who had to wait up all night because AT&T cancelled all his pre-orders for no reason - and he had stayed up to pre-order right at 2 AM when they opened.

I also worked at Best Buy....let's just say they are somewhat limited and hit or miss. I've always had a great experience at the Apple Store.
 

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LOL is that from Harvard business school or Devry?

Plenty of dot coms you don't remember said the same thing.

And who may they be then? And please don't be insulting, I have never implied I'm a business expert, this is supposed to be a place for discussion.

Market share never paid any company's bills. The term you're looking for is "profit" and in that metric, which the only one that really matters, there's a massive drop off between #1 Apple and everyone else.

That's the reason you're seeing Samsung shuffling executives, restructuring their business, and scrambling for new ideas. While Apple is sitting fat off the most successful quarter ever recorded in corporate history.

I understand the why's behind Samsung re-shuffling, but it is shipping units, and from what I can see it wasn't down to Apple but other competitors. Sure profit is good, but this record quarter for Apple was mainly due to China, so what happens when they stop buying iPhones in a few months? That record quarter won't be matched again. Samsung also have other divisions to fall back on, is it just the mobile division it's reshuffling?

Wow you're really struggling all over the place, worse now than before. Something in all this tells me that you're more of a "fanboy" than anyone else around here.

I'm not struggling in the slightest, I am on a thread in the alternatives to iOS forum, so it's rather hilarious you proclaim I am a "fanboy", even though you haven't said a fanboy of what? Perhaps you need to remember what forum you are on here?

I really didn't get you here. Apple sold 74.5 Million units in Q4 2014 which if compared YoY was 51 Million units in Q4 2013. So how did Apple sales 'remained stagnant' as compared to last year if they sold precisely 23.5 Million units more than last year?

Did you look at the chart in the link I posted? It clearly shows how they have remained stagnant, it is not comparing quarters but over the last few years. I also believe the chart is units shipped only and not sold, then again if they are shipped then the units have been bought by retailers.

Apple have been able to expand on sales because they have two devices not a single device at the top of the current market.

That makes no sense, I think you need to expand on what you mean because Samsung have more than one flagship device.
 

Technarchy

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And who may they be then? And please don't be insulting, I have never implied I'm a business expert, this is supposed to be a place for discussion.

MicroStrategy
Pets.com

To name two, but there are dozens. The concept of market share before margins and profit failed before, as it is failing Samsung.

Samsung fell into one of the oldest traps of putting "get big fast" over putting money in the bank, and it is showing to an impressive extent now.

And you're more than welcome to discuss and have an opinion, but not all opinions are equal, and your last post is 100% detached from any basic understanding of business, right down to your assessment of Apple in China which makes absolutely no sense whatsoever.
 

apolloa

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To name two, but there are dozens. The concept of market share before margins and profit failed before, as it is failing Samsung.

Samsung fell into one of the oldest traps of putting "get big fast" over putting money in the bank, and it is showing to an impressive extent now.

And you're more than welcome to discuss and have an opinion, but not all opinions are equal, and your last post is 100% detached from any basic understanding of business, right down to your assessment of Apple in China which makes absolutely no sense whatsoever.

In regards to Apple in China, that is based on actual professional business reporters and analysts on trusted news sites, not forum posters. So I take their word over anyone here, I am not 100% detached from business, I just don't take business lessons from Apple fans on a random forum.

I can think of lots of areas where market share is crucial to profits. I'm pretty sure Samsung didn't get big fast either?
 

I7guy

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In regards to Apple in China, that is based on actual professional business reporters and analysts on trusted news sites, not forum posters. So I take their word over anyone here, I am not 100% detached from business, I just don't take business lessons from Apple fans on a random forum.

I can think of lots of areas where market share is crucial to profits. I'm pretty sure Samsung didn't get big fast either?

These are the same tired discussions since the iphone 4. After "antennagate" apple was doomed. It was a one-trick pony, didn't "just work", losing market share etc.

Frankly you know the old expression about opinions. Anybody, even an supposed internet "expert" can be so far off-field, nobody knows the future. If they did, they would be retired on Maui with the flawless ability to pick stock market trends and pick the correct stock.

And you are correct, I don't take business lessons from anybody on internet forums. In the meantime, apple is on a roll. Seems like Tim is understanding their customers' needs.

With all that cash in the bank, apple has the luxury to do what they want.
 

apolloa

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These are the same tired discussions since the iphone 4. After "antennagate" apple was doomed. It was a one-trick pony, didn't "just work", losing market share etc.

Frankly you know the old expression about opinions. Anybody, even an supposed internet "expert" can be so far off-field, nobody knows the future. If they did, they would be retired on Maui with the flawless ability to pick stock market trends and pick the correct stock.

And you are correct, I don't take business lessons from anybody on internet forums. In the meantime, apple is on a roll. Seems like Tim is understanding their customers' needs.

With all that cash in the bank, apple has the luxury to do what they want.

I have never claimed that Apple is doomed, and I have not given that impression, I have just tried to balance things as the sales results seem to have gone to peoples heads round here.

But Apple IS a one device company, if the iPhone starts losing sales, what position will that put them in when 69% (according to this website) of its revenue has come from one device.

And as for that cash in the bank. I have read that the share holders are not overly happy with that, as they say you invest in a bank if you want cash surplus, not an electronics manufacture. The shareholders don't get to see any money from that stock pile of cash, as I understand it's in tax havens around the globe, earning interest. Don't you remember the investor that sued Apple to get a return?

http://www.theguardian.com/technology/2013/feb/07/david-einhorn-apple-shareholder-cash

And those story's have been posted on this site before too.
 
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I7guy

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I have never claimed that Apple is doomed, and I have not given that impression, I have just tried to balance things as the sales results seem to have gone to peoples heads round here.

But Apple IS a one device company, if the iPhone starts losing sales, what position will that put them in when 69% (according to this website) of its revenue has come from one device.

And as for that cash in the bank. I have read that the share holders are not overly happy with that, as they say you invest in a bank if you want cash surplus, not an electronics manufacture. The shareholders don't get to see any money from that stock pile of cash, as I understand it's in tax havens around the globe, earning interest. Don't you remember the investor that sued Apple to get a return?

http://www.theguardian.com/technology/2013/feb/07/david-einhorn-apple-shareholder-cash

And those story's have been posted on this site before too.

As someone else pointed out their computer business is 31% of their revenue. So that makes them not s one drvice company. Further your can make all of arguements you want about their strategy but the proof is in the pudding.

Finally the militant shareholders dont always get their way. Apple a rich company with a sign on it that says sue me.

All of this energy spent to discredit a company and prove how sorry their strategy is upon the heels of huge corporate news. Funny.

http://www.macobserver.com/tmo/death_knell

Posted in another thread on the front page.
 
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apolloa

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As someone else pointed out their computer business is 31% of their revenue. So that makes them not s one drvice company. Further your can make all of arguements you want about their strategy but the proof is in the pudding.

Finally the militant shareholders dont always get their way. Apple a rich company with a sign on it that says sue me.

All of this energy spent to discredit a company and prove how sorry their strategy is upon the heels of huge corporate news. Funny.

http://www.macobserver.com/tmo/death_knell

Posted in another thread on the front page.

You are kidding yourself if you believe a corporation that makes 69% of its entire revenue from one product is not a one product company. Your also kidding yourself about the remark about the share holders, the share holders are the ones who dictate if Apple is in business or not, not Apples cash pile, you cannot make excuses for Apple on that when they are being sued by their share holders for their right to return on their massive investment.
 

I7guy

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You are kidding yourself if you believe a corporation that makes 69% of its entire revenue from one product is not a one product company. Your also kidding yourself about the remark about the share holders, the share holders are the ones who dictate if Apple is in business or not, not Apples cash pile, you cannot make excuses for Apple on that when they are being sued by their share holders for their right to return on their massive investment.

Frankly i don't take advice from anonymous internet posters phrased as: "your kidding yourself". you keep contradicting yourself as 69% is not 100% and with oodles of cash Apple has some flexibility

The shareholders elect the board and the board selects the mgmt committee. Your kidding yourself if you think every shareholder can make the company bend to an individual's wish. Sure there is the court system, expensive and uncertain. And sure what Apple and other companies are doing is perfectly legal, EVEN IF YOU DONT LIKE IT. (Emphasis added)

BTW:
- do you own any Apple product?
- do you own any Apple stock?

Or are just resentful that an American based company can be so successful?
 

The-Real-Deal82

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That makes no sense, I think you need to expand on what you mean because Samsung have more than one flagship device.

My comment was in relation to the flow of conversation discussing how well the iPhone has done recently. I said Apple have expanded on sales because they now have 2 flagship phones for sale side by side whereas a year ago they had one, the 5S. I wasn't comparing them to Samsung, although now you have pointed out they also have more than one flagship device on sale, it goes to show how well Apple did in the last quarter. Nothing lasts forever though in this market and it can turn on a six pence very quickly.
 

jamezr

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My comment was in relation to the flow of conversation discussing how well the iPhone has done recently. I said Apple have expanded on sales because they now have 2 flagship phones for sale side by side whereas a year ago they had one, the 5S. I wasn't comparing them to Samsung, although now you have pointed out they also have more than one flagship device on sale, it goes to show how well Apple did in the last quarter. Nothing lasts forever though in this market and it can turn on a six pence very quickly.

I think Apple only sells flagship phones and if memory servers me right they had the 5s and the 5c last year. They were both flagship phones.
 

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You are kidding yourself if you believe a corporation that makes 69% of its entire revenue from one product is not a one product company. Your also kidding yourself about the remark about the share holders, the share holders are the ones who dictate if Apple is in business or not, not Apples cash pile, you cannot make excuses for Apple on that when they are being sued by their share holders for their right to return on their massive investment.

I think you're missing the point. Samsung reported profits of $4.9 billion dollars this last quarter. If you REMOVE ALL of the iPhone profits from Apple, they still made over $5.7 billion dollars in profit from the rest of their products/services.

In other words, Apple made more profit from everything except the iPhone than Samsung did for their entire company.

Oh, and as far as the OP goes, I would never want to see only one company for mobile phones. Competition is a good thing, and keeps innovation going forward.

As far as the shareholders are concerned, you do remember just a few short years ago when Steve did NOT give dividends back to shareholders AT ALL. There is no RIGHT to a dividend just because you own a piece of stock in a company. That has only changed with Tim at the helm. And I really think that Carl Icahn should just go away. He is one of the reasons we have so many problems with Wall Street, as they are only looking for short term gains, and couldn't care less about the long term health of the company. Tim does care.
 

I7guy

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I think you're missing the point. Samsung reported profits of $4.9 billion dollars this last quarter. If you REMOVE ALL of the iPhone profits from Apple, they still made over $5.7 billion dollars in profit from the rest of their products/services.

In other words, Apple made more profit from everything except the iPhone than Samsung did for their entire company.

Oh, and as far as the OP goes, I would never want to see only one company for mobile phones. Competition is a good thing, and keeps innovation going forward.

As far as the shareholders are concerned, you do remember just a few short years ago when Steve did NOT give dividends back to shareholders AT ALL. There is no RIGHT to a dividend just because you own a piece of stock in a company. That has only changed with Tim at the helm. And I really think that Carl Icahn should just go away. He is one of the reasons we have so many problems with Wall Street, as they are only looking for short term gains, and couldn't care less about the long term health of the company. Tim does care.

Spot on. You hit the nail on the head.
 

Truefan31

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You are kidding yourself if you believe a corporation that makes 69% of its entire revenue from one product is not a one product company. Your also kidding yourself about the remark about the share holders, the share holders are the ones who dictate if Apple is in business or not, not Apples cash pile, you cannot make excuses for Apple on that when they are being sued by their share holders for their right to return on their massive investment.


Doesn't Google get most of their money from ads? So if ads go away Google is doomed too?

Having the iPhone be the majority of profit is ok to me. It's not like they aren't trying other avenues, like computers, tablets, etc. but the iPhone speaks for itself. Hell they expanded that too, offering 2 additional screen sizes. Apple is seemingly diversifying a little more. 2 ipad sizes, 2 new iPhone sizes, watch, ipad pro/12 mba, etc. add to it the iTunes and App Store. It's impressive, and smart. Now they're entering new markets like China, even Japan and Korea are showing interest. How is this bad again?

I wouldn't use the term one trick pony. It's just that people really want iPhones. Millions upon millions. 75 million in a quarter is pretty insane. 18 billion profit is a record a believe. Yet somehow it's bad lol smh. Hell they probably would've sold more if they could keep up with supply more, especially the 6 plus.
 

apolloa

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My comment was in relation to the flow of conversation discussing how well the iPhone has done recently. I said Apple have expanded on sales because they now have 2 flagship phones for sale side by side whereas a year ago they had one, the 5S. I wasn't comparing them to Samsung, although now you have pointed out they also have more than one flagship device on sale, it goes to show how well Apple did in the last quarter. Nothing lasts forever though in this market and it can turn on a six pence very quickly.

But Apple have had a few phones for sale at the same time, like they keep the older models going but at cheaper prices, plus the 4C.
This is the first time they have had 2 NEW phones at the same time at high prices though. So I guess you can say they expanded in that aspect. And thankyou for your last sentence sir.
 

apolloa

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Frankly i don't take advice from anonymous internet posters phrased as: "your kidding yourself". you keep contradicting yourself as 69% is not 100% and with oodles of cash Apple has some flexibility

The shareholders elect the board and the board selects the mgmt committee. Your kidding yourself if you think every shareholder can make the company bend to an individual's wish. Sure there is the court system, expensive and uncertain. And sure what Apple and other companies are doing is perfectly legal, EVEN IF YOU DONT LIKE IT. (Emphasis added)

BTW:
- do you own any Apple product?
- do you own any Apple stock?

Or are just resentful that an American based company can be so successful?

That's it, I'm out, when you don't understand what I am saying, and then ask me to justify myself to you with what I own, as though it matters, and then insult me by apparently accusing me of being racist and resentful of an American corporation?? Does your pride feel threatened or something? You need to be a bit more mature.

I'm getting my coat and leaving..
 
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I7guy

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That's it, I'm out, when you don't understand what I am saying, and then ask me to justify myself to you with what I own, as though it matters, and then insult me by apparently accusing me of being racist and resentful of an American corporation?? Does your pride feel threatened or something? You need to be a bit more mature.

I'm getting my coat and leaving..

Did you take your hat? It's very cold outside. :cool:

Before you start throwing names around an internet forum, you might want to reread what I wrote. There was no insult or anything else implied in what I said. Apple is a very successful (American...am I not allowed to discuss a successful global company whose country I live in?) company and it's obvious a lot of people resent that success. Why I don't know. People several grades above mine are paid big bucks to run this American company and make the right decisions and work their business model appropriately so it produces value for the company, shareholders and customers. I said nothing more and nothing less and if you took anything else but that away, all I can mention is that is all I said.
 
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