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Don't be hung up on minimal OS updates, Samsung provides regular security updates, these are what matter. All the core Google apps are updated through the play store. Let's not forget ios updates have a sneaky habit of slowing down devices just to force users to upgrade, so a new OS upgrade isn't the holy grail by all means...

Enjoy the rest of your day..
Sneaky habit of slowing down the o/s? No man, stop that rumor right now.
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Define refine because a lot of people think iOS is too limited, no personalization, confusing menu hierarchy, Siri is unsable, Apple Maps is worse than competition, Safari has issues rendering sites and is slower scrolling, etc. Mobile Safari has always scored towards the bottom for HTML5 compliance hence the site rendering issues:

https://html5test.com/results/mobile.html

Ask yourself if iOS updates have ever made your iPhone look or behave noticeably different from iOS 7 to 8 to 9? They haven't. If anything every update just slows down your device and an excuse for Apple to close the ability to jailbreak. Not all devices get new features either like missing ad blocking, etc. so it's just a placebo number change.

Any bloat on Samsung can be disabled with Package Disabler Pro app while iOS just recently gained the ability to disable some Apple app bloat.

Interesting when I never have an issue with the stuff you say. I've had more issues with those items on my Android phones.
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You really need to move on from a 10 year old argument my friend. Would you maybe be overlooking the documented fact that Samsung had a full touchscreen phone released before the iPhone in 2007, of course you are. You are just remembering the doctored graphic of Samsung phones before the iPhone that they conveniently forgot to put on the one the the iPhone resembled. Lol.
So... with that in mind, 10 years is ancient history, only what happen now matters. Large screen phones, large tablets with pens, mini tablets, edge displays, oled screens, is there nothing that Apple won't copy. Nope.. I didn't think so. Seems like the innovation well has run dry..

You have yourself a fine evening my friend.
Really? Where did Samsung have a smart phone before the iPhone changed the smart phone world? Please enlighten us because everything on the history of that technology says the iPhone is what started it all and I was around that time and compared all the phones and do not recall a Samsung phone being around then.
 

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Really? Where did Samsung have a smart phone before the iPhone changed the smart phone world? Please enlighten us because everything on the history of that technology says the iPhone is what started it all and I was around that time and compared all the phones and do not recall a Samsung phone being around then.

Smartphones were already becoming popular before Apple even announced they had plans to get into the mobile game. Some models were actually very popular like the HTC TyTn. And you then you had the Danger Sidekick which for it's time was like an iPhone, cloud service and all. And yes, Samsung was also in the smartphone game, but they wasn't as popular as other manufacturers, atleast in America.
 
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Sneaky habit of slowing down the o/s? No man, stop that rumor right now.
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Interesting when I never have an issue with the stuff you say. I've had more issues with those items on my Android phones.
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Really? Where did Samsung have a smart phone before the iPhone changed the smart phone world? Please enlighten us because everything on the history of that technology says the iPhone is what started it all and I was around that time and compared all the phones and do not recall a Samsung phone being around then.
I think the term selective memory applies here.

Have yourself a great weekend squire.
 
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Well I broke out of the Apple ecosystem because I found it limiting and I wanted the S pen functionality. The iris scanner was a nice surprise. It works very well for me and I use it more than any other method to unlock my Note7.

So far what I miss is being able to order Siri around without touching the iPhone by simply calling out "Hey Siri". "Ok Google" seems smarter but I can't see how it would be able to work without unlocking the phone to the home screen first.
To enable, go into your Google app, then hit the hamburger menu on the left, then settings, then Voice, then Google Now detection, then finally enable from any screen. This will allow the phone to recognize when you say "ok google" from any screen or when the phone is charging.
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There are users who apparently can get rid of Touchwiz. I don't know how but they are talking about how they use other launchers on the Note 7 and don't have to deal with Touchwiz. I have not yet learned about how to change launchers.
You can't get rid of touchwiz unless you install a custom rom, touchwiz is the operating system. People always confuse replacing the launcher with replacing the "skin". Here is a good video explaining the difference, but basically every "skin" of android is actually it's own proprietary operating system, but theyre all based on android and are compatible with the same apps. If you replace the launcher, your only replacing the home screen, the operating system is still touchwiz.
 
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You can't get rid of touchwiz unless you install a custom rom, touchwiz is the operating system. People always confuse replacing the launcher with replacing the "skin". Here is a good video explaining the difference, but basically every "skin" of android is actually it's own proprietary operating system, but theyre all based on android and are compatible with the same apps. If you replace the launcher, your only replacing the home screen, the operating system is still touchwiz.
Thank you so much for this explanation and the help with Google!
 

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Well, I disagree that the iPhone is bulky.

Samsung makes some nice phones, but there are some misgivings I have with them which precludes them from consideration.

What to buy depends on you.

There are very good apps in the Google store to replace iMessage and other apps if you are serious about giving Android a try.
The issue with this is getting other people to do the same. iMessage is built in so no need to download anything.
 

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To enable, go into your Google app, then hit the hamburger menu on the left, then settings, then Voice, then Google Now detection, then finally enable from any screen. This will allow the phone to recognize when you say "ok google" from any screen or when the phone is charging.
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Is it just select handsets that work whilst the screen is off? That is a cool feature...
 

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Smartphones were already becoming popular before Apple even announced they had plans to get into the mobile game. Some models were actually very popular like the HTC TyTn. And you then you had the Danger Sidekick which for it's time was like an iPhone, cloud service and all. And yes, Samsung was also in the smartphone game, but they wasn't as popular as other manufacturers, atleast in America.
I'm aware of BB and Windows O/S smart phones. I used them before the iPhone came out. But they weren't anything like the iPhone with an app store and how all the icons work. The iPhone did start the revolution of the smart phone though and not Samsung.
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I think the term selective memory applies here.

Have yourself a great weekend squire.

Far from it. Instead of wasting bandwidth with a useless post, how about post something constructive.
 

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I'm aware of BB and Windows O/S smart phones. I used them before the iPhone came out. But they weren't anything like the iPhone with an app store and how all the icons work. The iPhone did start the revolution of the smart phone though and not Samsung.

I wouldn't say Apple started the mainstream revolution. Like I said previously, it was already happening. But Apple certainly gave it an emnormous push.

And there were app stores before the iPhone.
 

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I'm aware of BB and Windows O/S smart phones. I used them before the iPhone came out. But they weren't anything like the iPhone with an app store and how all the icons work. The iPhone did start the revolution of the smart phone though and not Samsung.
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Far from it. Instead of wasting bandwidth with a useless post, how about post something constructive.
No one said Samsung started the smartphone revolution, you are just twisting words to match your own agendas. What was said we that Samsung had a full face touchscreen devi x e out before the iPhone. Oh, Nokia had a app store and download able apps before the iPhone but let's not remember that either.

And in relation to your last comment, I can't decide if it's aggressive, sarcastic or Patronising, either way I won't stand for it. It's not needed, any more and I will report you.

Have yourself a good rest of the day.
[doublepost=1472230650][/doublepost]Not sure if this will work, but the Samsung f700 is basically a pre cursor to the iPhone,

http://www.google.co.uk/search?q=sa...AUIBygB&biw=412&bih=604#imgrc=2CwgpTt_do20eM:

Not saying it was any good. But full touchscreen, grid of icons, home button... Erm. Awkward....
 
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Software - Correctable
Hardware - More permanent

Three reasons why Note7 is the only right answer for me and they are based mostly on hardware -

64gb internal storage - Torrent app need to download 30gb files especially entire TV shows.

Micro-sd slot - Will never buy another smartphone again without one. No thanks OnePlus 3, Mi 5, and any Nexus. You wouldn't be forward thinking with your storage management without it.

VR - I see alot of Chinese brands have 1080p and aren't forward thinking with VR like Oculus and Samsung have done. The Gear VR is still the most inexpensive and portable way to experience virtual reality. VR won't be for everyone and might seem kinda gimmicky to some although probably nomore gimmicky than smart watches. Just a different and enhanced experience for media consumption. Getting to fulfill my teenage fantasy that featured VR in several 1990's movies and Krista Allen in Emmanuelle In Space... ;)

images


Software updates and software optimization isn't the end-all, be-all argument to most people when purchasing a new smartphone. Maybe to some of you, it seems the most important. Others look at all the areas.

Only the S7 edge is the other 2016 smartphone I am interested in but the USA version doesn't have 64gb as an option and I do want the S-Pen features. I read all the comments about the Note7's GG5 being more susceptible to scratches or iPhone 6s beating it in opening apps. Doesn't bother me and it looks like demand is higher than expectations.

I don't buy phones for it to look pretty but the Note7 does look better than the 6se/7. I can do another laundry list about everything I dislike with iPhones too. Longer than the advantages iPhone has over Note7. Been playing catchup to Android for years now. Apple is only out for success and pleasing their investors.

Apple's thrive for greatness and innovation died out years ago the moment money became top priority over innovation. Samsung have two of the best smartphones of the year but the Note7 tops it for me because of features like lowering screen resolution, better camera than the S7 edge according to GSM Arena, and whatever else I keep regurgitating from last week.

My only concerns with Note7 is the repairability issues. We had a 50+ inch Samsung TV that broke last year. It was six years old and Samsung was charging $1,600 to get it repaired! Screw that, Samsung! Also, Samsung isn't offering the best Note7 to most of us. For $60 more in China, we can get an extra 64gb of internal storage and extra 2gb of RAM powered by the more battery efficient Samsung Exynos chip.

Michael Fisher (aka Mr. Mobile) and Josh Vergara from Android Authority already mentioned minor hiccups with the Note7 Snapdragon 820 version. And battery is "just fine" with Mr. Mobile but nothing special. The USA model just doesn't seem as future proofed. Exynos / 128gb / 6gb RAM is the best variant of the Note7. The rest of the world get the weaker sauce of it.

I also wished Note7 had a removable battery but I own three phones with it, so it doesn't bother me all that much. Also, my Stepdad will probably give me his Note 3 as another hand me down while he updates to the Note7 too. So I get Note 3 and 7. Cool! Since I'm quite experienced tinkering my Android phones with laggy skins, all the software concerns don't bother me much. Living with 1gb RAM now. Imagine 4-6gb of RAM?

My Usual Settings -
Developer Option - 0.5x all animations
Nova Launcher Prime set to FAST
Greenify (double tap to Hibernate)
Screen Off & Lock
Wakeup Touch Nexus (wake it)
All In One Gestures
Disable Services
Trimmer (fstrim), manual TRIM
Power Schedule - weekly turns off my phone to clear RAM

If it still gets laggy, will use KingRoot and flash Cyanogen Mod or whatever ROM is stable and fluid. It is up to the user's mind if they want to REFINE it. That's Android. Be self reliant. Not all of us need Apple to hold our hands. Some of us want to go beyond their myopic vision and thought process.

Planning to use this glass theme from 2014 below. S-Pen should help with the resizing. Can't do this on stock iOS. Rather have customizable software than a smoother but boring-looking one. iOS and WP are like that. Smoother but restrictive, redundant, and boring. Only need a one-page homescreen.
 

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I wouldn't say Apple started the mainstream revolution. Like I said previously, it was already happening. But Apple certainly gave it an emnormous push.

And there were app stores before the iPhone.
Software - Correctable
Hardware - More permanent

Three reasons why Note7 is the only right answer for me and they are based mostly on hardware -

64gb internal storage - Torrent app need to download 30gb files especially entire TV shows.

Micro-sd slot - Will never buy another smartphone again without one. No thanks OnePlus 3, Mi 5, and any Nexus. You wouldn't be forward thinking with your storage management without it.

VR - I see alot of Chinese brands have 1080p and aren't forward thinking with VR like Oculus and Samsung have done. The Gear VR is still the most inexpensive and portable way to experience virtual reality. VR won't be for everyone and might seem kinda gimmicky to some although probably nomore gimmicky than smart watches. Just a different and enhanced experience for media consumption. Getting to fulfill my teenage fantasy that featured VR in several 1990's movies and Krista Allen in Emmanuelle In Space... ;)

images


Software updates and software optimization isn't the end-all, be-all argument to most people when purchasing a new smartphone. Maybe to some of you, it seems the most important. Others look at all the areas.

Only the S7 edge is the other 2016 smartphone I am interested in but the USA version doesn't have 64gb as an option and I do want the S-Pen features. I read all the comments about the Note7's GG5 being more susceptible to scratches or iPhone 6s beating it in opening apps. Doesn't bother me and it looks like demand is higher than expectations.

I don't buy phones for it to look pretty but the Note7 does look better than the 6se/7. I can do another laundry list about everything I dislike with iPhones too. Longer than the advantages iPhone has over Note7. Been playing catchup to Android for years now. Apple is only out for success and pleasing their investors.

Apple's thrive for greatness and innovation died out years ago the moment money became top priority over innovation. Samsung have two of the best smartphones of the year but the Note7 tops it for me because of features like lowering screen resolution, better camera than the S7 edge according to GSM Arena, and whatever else I keep regurgitating from last week.

My only concerns with Note7 is the repairability issues. We had a 50+ inch Samsung TV that broke last year. It was six years old and Samsung was charging $1,600 to get it repaired! Screw that, Samsung! Also, Samsung isn't offering the best Note7 to most of us. For $60 more in China, we can get an extra 64gb of internal storage and extra 2gb of RAM powered by the more battery efficient Samsung Exynos chip.

Michael Fisher (aka Mr. Mobile) and Josh Vergara from Android Authority already mentioned minor hiccups with the Note7 Snapdragon 820 version. And battery is "just fine" with Mr. Mobile but nothing special. The USA model just doesn't seem as future proofed. Exynos / 128gb / 6gb RAM is the best variant of the Note7. The rest of the world get the weaker sauce of it.

I also wished Note7 had a removable battery but I own three phones with it, so it doesn't bother me all that much. Also, my Stepdad will probably give me his Note 3 as another hand me down while he updates to the Note7 too. So I get Note 3 and 7. Cool! Since I'm quite experienced tinkering my Android phones with laggy skins, all the software concerns don't bother me much. Living with 1gb RAM now. Imagine 4-6gb of RAM?

My Usual Settings -
Developer Option - 0.5x all animations
Nova Launcher Prime set to FAST
Greenify (double tap to Hibernate)
Screen Off & Lock
Wakeup Touch Nexus (wake it)
All In One Gestures
Disable Services
Trimmer (fstrim), manual TRIM
Power Schedule - weekly turns off my phone to clear RAM

If it still gets laggy, will use KingRoot and flash Cyanogen Mod or whatever ROM is stable and fluid. It is up to the user's mind if they want to REFINE it. That's Android. Be self reliant. Not all of us need Apple to hold our hands. Some of us want to go beyond their myopic vision and thought process.

Planning to use this glass theme from 2014 below. S-Pen should help with the resizing. Can't do this on stock iOS. Rather have customizable software than a smoother but boring-looking one. iOS and WP are like that. Smoother but restrictive, redundant, and boring. Only need a one-page homescreen.
Great that android suites you, we have choices which is fantastic.
 
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To say the iPhone is bulky is ridiculous. Sure--- it's not as thin as the Moto Z (thinnest premium smartphone) it's still pretty thin. The term bulky should be used for clamshells, feature phones, and pre-2011 era phones.

However, saying that the iPhone is overly large for its screen size (read: huge bezels) I can agree with that.

Also, regarding comments like "The Note 7 is just an S7 Edge with a Stylus."

Yeah, it is. but it has enough differences to be actually a different phone.

First of all, the Stylus alone is a huge feature. It opens up a world of possibilities that can't be had with the regular Galaxy S phones. How can people nonchalantly say "oh it's just a S7 with a Stylus". The defining feature of the Note IS the stylus.

Usb C is also a big difference maker for me. After using USB C I just can't go back to micro USB. The convenience of not having look at your phone and/or charger cable is quite noticeable. Also, there is a lower risk of damaging either the phone/and or cable with USB C. Maybe that risk is much less with savvy techy consumers, but when I've seen enough ports damaged by careless people.

Don't forget too that the Note 7 has a bigger screen, almost 10% larger in real estate. That adds to the enjoyment of using a stylus.

Screen-writing on the Note 7 when the display is off is extremely useful and cool. Everyone ( both Android and iOS users) whom I have shown this too were noticeably impressed.

The Note 7 power saving mode allows you to change the resolution. Too cool.

Of course the minimum 64 GB of internal storage is definitely welcoming

Yes, I understand that in the past the Note series would have a legup on the S series on processor, memory, screen technology, and camera prowess. But seriously, an increase in spec bumps from an already amazing hardware to slightly more amazing hardware that amounts to a slightly faster (or no changes at all) phone is boring.

With all the features I have mentioned, the Note 7 compared to the S7 Edge is arguably a much more different phone than the 6S plus to the 6S. Of course, just my thoughts. Everyone values things differently.
 
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No one said Samsung started the smartphone revolution, you are just twisting words to match your own agendas. What was said we that Samsung had a full face touchscreen devi x e out before the iPhone. Oh, Nokia had a app store and download able apps before the iPhone but let's not remember that either.

And in relation to your last comment, I can't decide if it's aggressive, sarcastic or Patronising, either way I won't stand for it. It's not needed, any more and I will report you.

Have yourself a good rest of the day.
[doublepost=1472230650][/doublepost]Not sure if this will work, but the Samsung f700 is basically a pre cursor to the iPhone,

http://www.google.co.uk/search?q=samsung+phones+released+in+2007&prmd=insv&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwj3pv3oxd_OAhUoLcAKHWjbADgQ_AUIBygB&biw=412&bih=604#imgrc=2CwgpTt_do20eM:

Not saying it was any good. But full touchscreen, grid of icons, home button... Erm. Awkward....

I guess you can't have a discussion then.
 

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Lucky China gets the best version of the Note7 with Exynos / 128gb / 6gb RAM. Waiting for a review on that one next month. Americans got shortchanged again like what happened with the S7 edge.

Overrated Note7 camera?
http://www.forbes.com/sites/bensin/...than-far-cheaper-chinese-phones/#72ee63146de2

Questionable battery life (SD820)?
http://m.scmp.com/lifestyle/article...7-sexy-stylish-and-feature-laden-questionable

Exynos 8890 superior to Snapdragon 820...
http://forums.androidcentral.com/sa...ories.html?_ga=1.87570591.68909991.1466599410

Exynos is Samsung's own ARM fabrication SoC. So, why is it still sourcing from what must be a more expensive Qualcomm? I have no idea but these benchmarks suggest that Exynos is the more powerful choice in the categories that matter to most people (browsing and keeping apps in memory).

This first manual benchmarking of the two shows that the Exynos is about 10% faster in opening apps but is a whopping 33% faster in re-opening apps that should have been kept in memory but in the case of Snapdragon, they were not. Strange since both systems have the same amount of RAM.
Samsung Galaxy S7: Exynos 8890 vs. Snapdragon 820 speed test - GSMArena.com news

This other site with a set of benchmarks shows that in the categories where the Snapdragon bests the Exynos, it does so by no more than 10% (mostly on graphics) but with the browser focused benchmarks the Exynos is better by 33% (Vellamo browser) and nearly DOUBLE the performance in the javascript centric "Sunspider" benchmark.
Samsung Galaxy S7: Snapdragon 820 vs Exynos 8890 flavors compared

On this last site, which is the least damning, you'll still find that the categories in which the Snapdragon bests the Exynos, it does so by about 10% but the categories where the Exynos is the better performer (GeekBench 3 multi-core & Basemark ES 3.1 / Metal) it is better by 20%!
http://www.gsmarena.com/samsung_gala...iew-1409p6.php

These were not cherry picked sites but rather the first three benchmarks I found after researching this. I spend a good deal of time browsing web news articles on my phone and switching rapidly between apps. Therefore, it is distressing to me that the Exynos, which performs up to 33% faster at these tasks, is not available to people in the US and especially not to people like me who are with a CDMA carrier. The Exynos must be cheaper for Samsung to produce than it is for them to purchase from Qualcomm so why restrict their largest markets (US, China, Japan) from using the cheaper, superior performing product?

http://m.androidcentral.com/note-7-head-head-exynos-vs-snapdragon-benchmarks

http://www.xda-developers.com/with-...delivers-embarrassing-real-world-performance/

We are bringing this to light because we see that, once again, Samsung’s flagships are getting generally-positive reviews for their performance, while users often disagree. We talked about this issue in an article earlier this year where we mentioned TouchWiz lag, how present it was in 2015 devices, and how we wished for it to change.

At XDA, we take performance very seriously, and it’s often one of our paramount priorities. So much in fact, that many of the Galaxy phone users in our forums have preferred AOSP ROMs over TouchWiz for years, sacrificing the stellar camera and often-useful features that Samsung packs into its ROM, just to get rid of infamous lag that the Galaxy phones traditionally ship with. And we’ve noticed that despite the media outlets’ comments about Samsung’s above-average performance year after year — like we often see, those comments might change a month or two down the line, and what’s considered ‘fluid and smooth’ in one review can then ‘slow down to a crawl’ after a matter of days. Not out of malice nor ineptitude, but short review periods often don’t allow journalists to uncover the true face of Samsung’s software.

This is important to us because we are also enthusiasts, and we’ve seen reviews ignore, year after year, clear, delimited, replicable and often universal performance issues with Samsung phones, such as the infamous home button delay of the Galaxy Note 3, the always-delayed multi-tasking menu of the Galaxy Note 4, or the terrible memory management of the Galaxy Note 5 (which is still an issue on the Note 7, by the way). It’s important that we recognize that these issues exist so that consumers can make educated choices. We are putting this out there not to shame Samsung, or any particular media outlet, but so that people know that despite 6 years worth of releases, Samsung still has horrendous issues with software.

Most importantly, we don’t think the lack of reports on these issues come due to malice, nor from cronyism. But many of these problems can be fixed — they probably will be, as we’ve noted multiple times throughout the past year that Samsung updates have done a good job at improving performance or battery life. And to make ourselves heard and ensure they do, we must acknowledge they exist and put Samsung on the spot as well, because when phones that are half the price run laps around Samsung’s latest big thing, we can seriously ask for more for our buck.

^ This Snapdragon 820 variant is very concerning although I did say software is more correctable. Going to import the Exynos 8890 / 128gb / 6gb RAM variant and will likely get taxed heavily for it. If you're going to pay top dollar, you better try getting the best hardware too. Even if the Exynos' battery life is 15% better and not 30% like the S7 edge models, that's still a difference since the battery is non-removable and you have to live with it. I guess every little thing counts. Samsung don't care about us Americans people! Exynos 8890 is the only way to roll with a Note7.
 

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Lucky China gets the best version of the Note7 with Exynos / 128gb / 6gb RAM. Waiting for a review on that one next month. Americans got shortchanged again like what happened with the S7 edge.

Overrated Note7 camera?
http://www.forbes.com/sites/bensin/...than-far-cheaper-chinese-phones/#72ee63146de2

Questionable battery life (SD820)?
http://m.scmp.com/lifestyle/article...7-sexy-stylish-and-feature-laden-questionable

Exynos 8890 superior to Snapdragon 820...
http://forums.androidcentral.com/sa...ories.html?_ga=1.87570591.68909991.1466599410

Exynos is Samsung's own ARM fabrication SoC. So, why is it still sourcing from what must be a more expensive Qualcomm? I have no idea but these benchmarks suggest that Exynos is the more powerful choice in the categories that matter to most people (browsing and keeping apps in memory).

This first manual benchmarking of the two shows that the Exynos is about 10% faster in opening apps but is a whopping 33% faster in re-opening apps that should have been kept in memory but in the case of Snapdragon, they were not. Strange since both systems have the same amount of RAM.
Samsung Galaxy S7: Exynos 8890 vs. Snapdragon 820 speed test - GSMArena.com news

This other site with a set of benchmarks shows that in the categories where the Snapdragon bests the Exynos, it does so by no more than 10% (mostly on graphics) but with the browser focused benchmarks the Exynos is better by 33% (Vellamo browser) and nearly DOUBLE the performance in the javascript centric "Sunspider" benchmark.
Samsung Galaxy S7: Snapdragon 820 vs Exynos 8890 flavors compared

On this last site, which is the least damning, you'll still find that the categories in which the Snapdragon bests the Exynos, it does so by about 10% but the categories where the Exynos is the better performer (GeekBench 3 multi-core & Basemark ES 3.1 / Metal) it is better by 20%!
http://www.gsmarena.com/samsung_gala...iew-1409p6.php

These were not cherry picked sites but rather the first three benchmarks I found after researching this. I spend a good deal of time browsing web news articles on my phone and switching rapidly between apps. Therefore, it is distressing to me that the Exynos, which performs up to 33% faster at these tasks, is not available to people in the US and especially not to people like me who are with a CDMA carrier. The Exynos must be cheaper for Samsung to produce than it is for them to purchase from Qualcomm so why restrict their largest markets (US, China, Japan) from using the cheaper, superior performing product?

http://m.androidcentral.com/note-7-head-head-exynos-vs-snapdragon-benchmarks

http://www.xda-developers.com/with-...delivers-embarrassing-real-world-performance/

We are bringing this to light because we see that, once again, Samsung’s flagships are getting generally-positive reviews for their performance, while users often disagree. We talked about this issue in an article earlier this year where we mentioned TouchWiz lag, how present it was in 2015 devices, and how we wished for it to change.

At XDA, we take performance very seriously, and it’s often one of our paramount priorities. So much in fact, that many of the Galaxy phone users in our forums have preferred AOSP ROMs over TouchWiz for years, sacrificing the stellar camera and often-useful features that Samsung packs into its ROM, just to get rid of infamous lag that the Galaxy phones traditionally ship with. And we’ve noticed that despite the media outlets’ comments about Samsung’s above-average performance year after year — like we often see, those comments might change a month or two down the line, and what’s considered ‘fluid and smooth’ in one review can then ‘slow down to a crawl’ after a matter of days. Not out of malice nor ineptitude, but short review periods often don’t allow journalists to uncover the true face of Samsung’s software.

This is important to us because we are also enthusiasts, and we’ve seen reviews ignore, year after year, clear, delimited, replicable and often universal performance issues with Samsung phones, such as the infamous home button delay of the Galaxy Note 3, the always-delayed multi-tasking menu of the Galaxy Note 4, or the terrible memory management of the Galaxy Note 5 (which is still an issue on the Note 7, by the way). It’s important that we recognize that these issues exist so that consumers can make educated choices. We are putting this out there not to shame Samsung, or any particular media outlet, but so that people know that despite 6 years worth of releases, Samsung still has horrendous issues with software.

Most importantly, we don’t think the lack of reports on these issues come due to malice, nor from cronyism. But many of these problems can be fixed — they probably will be, as we’ve noted multiple times throughout the past year that Samsung updates have done a good job at improving performance or battery life. And to make ourselves heard and ensure they do, we must acknowledge they exist and put Samsung on the spot as well, because when phones that are half the price run laps around Samsung’s latest big thing, we can seriously ask for more for our buck.

^ This Snapdragon 820 variant is very concerning although I did say software is more correctable. Going to import the Exynos 8890 / 128gb / 6gb RAM variant and will likely get taxed heavily for it. If you're going to pay top dollar, you better try getting the best hardware too. Even if the Exynos' battery life is 15% better and not 30% like the S7 edge models, that's still a difference since the battery is non-removable and you have to live with it. I guess every little thing counts. Samsung don't care about us Americans people! Exynos 8890 is the only way to roll with a Note7.

I agree that Samsung should do away w/the Snapdragon. I hate that they don't offer the Exynos to the US market.

Is there a petition or something we could fill out to make our displeasure heard?
 

Fernandez21

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They went with the snapdragon because of a deal they made with Qualcomm in order to get their Manufacturing contract.
 

bufffilm

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They went with the snapdragon because of a deal they made with Qualcomm in order to get their Manufacturing contract.

I'm w/Verizon and it seems Qualcomm only is contracted out for CDMA support.

Well, until they go Exynos exclusively or Qualcomm makes a processor comparable to their Exynos...I'm simply not buying then.

I refuse to play Samsung's antics.
 

Fernandez21

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I'm w/Verizon and it seems Qualcomm only is contracted out for CDMA support.

Well, until they go Exynos exclusively or Qualcomm makes a processor comparable to their Exynos...I'm simply not buying then.

I refuse to play Samsung's antics.
The Note 5, S6, S6 Edge, and S6 Edge + on Verizon all used Exynos.
 

Klyster

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I thought it was to do with supply constraints coupled with the LTE radio? I could be wring.
I'm in NZ so we mainly get exynos.
 

bufffilm

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The Note 5, S6, S6 Edge, and S6 Edge + on Verizon all used Exynos.

I hope they go that way with the s8...just saying if they don't, they're not getting my money.

Bad enough that Samsung gives the carriers too much say-so as to what they load on their phones.
 

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I love Android and how it works and I love changing phones but I just find the update situation incredibly frustrating and something I wish Google would just deal with.
Buy a Nexus if immediate updates are crucial. Apple updates frequently but they're often buggy and problematic.

There's no such thing as a perfect smartphone. I've owned over sixty flagships, thus far my Nexus 6P is best by far.
 
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