iPhone or Android

[jrswizzle]

I lol'd. Just not sure why you are completely against choice and preference. My iPhone does more for me than my Nexus. I prefer the way it gets tasks done over android. I don't see why that is wrong. I wouldn't see why someone who prefers things done via android would be wrong either.

I don't accept less and I expect more. But I think iPhone is a great product. As a consumer there isn't anything android is offering to me personally that compromises the iPhone experience.

Impossible. There isn't any way someone could buy an iPhone and actually get things done/do REAL tasks with it given its obsolete and inferior technology.

Don't bother bud.....there will always be the "one is better than the other". No amount of evidence can change it. Just continue to be happy in your choices and ignore it - and in threads like this, if someone asks "Apple or Android" - simply respond with "either way you go, you can't lose. Try them out and pick the best for you."

There really isn't any other right answer.

 

[bmac4]

My Nexus 4 isn't as smooth as my iPod Touch 5, which is a generation behind the iPhone 5 processor wise. You can just go to the home screen and wiggle your finger back and forth, and the N4 lags following your finger like it's had a drink or two too many and shouldn't be allowed to drive home. I think a lot of the "smoothness" impression of the UI comes from things like the bounce back feature of iOS - it's simply more pleasant to use than hitting the jarring stop in Android. I don't consider the N4 Ui overly laggy, just not as consistently smooth as my Touch 5.

... of course some people might just have lower standards, and be perfectly content with a lesser user experience ...

One area where I've found Android to be actually bad at, is dealing with long documents. I haven't found an android PDF reader or word processor that handles scrolling or navigating to a point in long documents well at all. Perhaps KLP, better apps, or the current generation of Android super phones just being released will be better at this.

I have never experienced lag like what you are talking about on the home screens. Do you have some kind of crazy live wallpaper or something? What kind of widgets are you using? There should be no lag. I for one never had this issue.

 

[jrswizzle]

I have never experienced lag like what you are talking about on the home screens. Do you have some kind of crazy live wallpaper or something? What kind of widgets are you using? There should be no lag. I for one never had this issue.

Lol - bmac, just like his story you offer anecdotal evidence. Try to not to take it to seriously when people say things like that. Anecdotal evidence should be taken with MOUNDS of salt....

I find my iPhone 5 a bit more responsive than my Nexus 4, but the N4 is certainly not laggy. I never would've given Android a chance if it lagged like it did back in the pre-ICS (Project butter) days.

Since this thread is an iPhone or Android thread, I feel I can ask this question here....

Why do people (1) not understand there is a difference in philosophy between the two OSes (as it should be - I'd hope they don't end up becoming the same) and (2) dismiss one as inferior to the other simply because they don't prefer it?

I legitimately want someone to answer those two questions for me please. And be specific and concise, try to not attack anyone.

 

[hexonxonx]

I have never experienced lag like what you are talking about on the home screens. Do you have some kind of crazy live wallpaper or something? What kind of widgets are you using? There should be no lag. I for one never had this issue.

My Nexus 4 is the fastest phone I have ever used. Like you, there is no lag. I get an email notification, open it and the email opens almost instantly. It's insane how fast this thing is.

I wish my Nexus were this fast but it's still not bad speed wise.

 

[knucklehead]

I have never experienced lag like what you are talking about on the home screens. Do you have some kind of crazy live wallpaper or something? What kind of widgets are you using? There should be no lag. I for one never had this issue.

Did you actually try wiggling your finger back and forth? On my Touch, the screen stays pretty well stuck to my finger as it reverses direction - not nearly so much on my N4 (or my N7). Yes, It's pretty much like a drunk test.

No live wallpaper. Just Evernote widget. Fresh restart. No background apps running (I think the thing about lag being OK because it just means the little elves are working so hard for you in the background, is leftover Android Koolaid for the days when lag was a big problem).

Is it a problem? No. It's pretty insignificant, but real none the less. The other point about bounce back is more significant, but still just a preference for "feel".

The large document issue _is_ significant.

 

[bmac4]

Lol - bmac, just like his story you offer anecdotal evidence. Try to not to take it to seriously when people say things like that. Anecdotal evidence should be taken with MOUNDS of salt....

I find my iPhone 5 a bit more responsive than my Nexus 4, but the N4 is certainly not laggy. I never would've given Android a chance if it lagged like it did back in the pre-ICS (Project butter) days.

Since this thread is an iPhone or Android thread, I feel I can ask this question here....

Why do people (1) not understand there is a difference in philosophy between the two OSes (as it should be - I'd hope they don't end up becoming the same) and (2) dismiss one as inferior to the other simply because they don't prefer it?

I legitimately want someone to answer those two questions for me please. And be specific and concise, try to not attack anyone.

1. People that have iOS or android want to feel like they have the best phone, so they want to believe the other OS is trying to be like the OS they have. It makes people think they have something special if they have what everything else wants to be. I guess that is just human nature. I for one prefer android, but I understand iOS is something completely different that is for different user than me. Some people just will never get this.

2. Again it goes back to them wanted their phone to be the best. We want to be believe we have the best of the best. I choose to believe that android is better for me, but iOS is better for a lot of people. Take my mom for example. She loves her iPhone and that was the phone I told her to get. I would never try to get her to get android. She barely uses half of the features on the iPhone, and that is because those are the ones she understands. She is not stupid she just could careless about technology. IOS more times than not works well for people like my mom. The cool thing about iOS is that is can be a very easy to use OS, but also you can do some pretty cool things if you know what you are doing. Android I really do think is a bit more complex to work with. It is by no means hard just more complex.

I like both and appreciate for what they have done. All I can say is what is better for me.

 

[bmac4]

Did you actually try wiggling your finger back and forth? On my Touch, the screen stays pretty well stuck to my finger as it reverses direction - not nearly so much on my N4 (or my N7). Yes, It's pretty much like a drunk test.

No live wallpaper. Just Evernote widget. Fresh restart. No background apps running (I think the thing about lag being OK because it just means the little elves are working so hard for you in the background, is leftover Android Koolaid for the days when lag was a big problem).

Is it a problem? No. It's pretty insignificant, but real none the less. The other point about bounce back is more significant, but still just a preference for "feel".

The large document issue _is_ significant.

Look at these two videos and tell me there is a difference and there is lag.

 

[Dontazemebro]

Lol - bmac, just like his story you offer anecdotal evidence. Try to not to take it to seriously when people say things like that. Anecdotal evidence should be taken with MOUNDS of salt....

I find my iPhone 5 a bit more responsive than my Nexus 4, but the N4 is certainly not laggy. I never would've given Android a chance if it lagged like it did back in the pre-ICS (Project butter) days.

Since this thread is an iPhone or Android thread, I feel I can ask this question here....

Why do people (1) not understand there is a difference in philosophy between the two OSes (as it should be - I'd hope they don't end up becoming the same) and (2) dismiss one as inferior to the other simply because they don't prefer it?

I legitimately want someone to answer those two questions for me please. And be specific and concise, try to not attack anyone.

I don't think it really has anything to do with differing philosophies and I've said this before. At the end of the day, Android can just do more. Whether it's their philosophy or not it's just the point blank truth.

What I want to know is, why do people get so butt hurt when you say this.

To be honest, my one x+ feels like a mini laptop while my iphone 4 just feels like an overpriced mp4 player. It is what it is.

 

[Tinmania]

Did you actually try wiggling your finger back and forth?

You have got to be kidding. Good lord.




Michael

 

[maxosx]

My Nexus 4 is the fastest phone I have ever used. Like you, there is no lag. I get an email notification, open it and the email opens almost instantly. It's insane how fast this thing is.

I too am very impressed with the speed, as well as many other advantages of my Nexus 4.

If only Apple would do what I _KNOW_ they are capable of, I could be praising Apple instead of the competition.

My iPhone 5 is a poor second place as compared to not only my Nexus 4, but also my Note II, and Galaxy S3.

But it's a new day, and I'm hopeful that Apple will wake up at some point and get back to doing what they do best. Building world class products in all categories.

I would like nothing better than to buy a new iPhone (whatever model name) with a modern sized display.

Then promote it to my _Primary_ smartphone.

A position that each of my prior iPhones have occupied until Android surpassed iOS's usefulness with true multitasking efficiency and other great features that only Android has at this juncture.

Apple's iOS being sandboxed, has a real challenge on their hands.

 

[knucklehead]

You have got to be kidding. Good lord.




Michael

Nope.

Apparently, a lot of people need help seeing lag ...

 

[Tinmania]

Nope.

Apparently, a lot of people need help seeing lag ...

Step away from the keyboard and look at what you are writing, man. Seriously.

The N4 doesn't have lag. If you want to stand on one foot and jump up and down to make it seem like it does what the heck does it matter?



Michael

 

[bmac4]

Nope.

Apparently, a lot of people need help seeing lag ...

No you just seem to be the only one that is making claims like this. I guess you have messed something up on your nexus 4. Only thing I can think of.

 

[bmac4]

So this could answer part of our discussion.
http://m.gizmodo.com/5995260/the-only-thing-apple-really-sells

People buy into an ecosystem and the person writing this article is right Apple has the biggest one of all. Now I switch back and forth with no problems, but I think most people have bought into the thought that once you have gone with Apple you need to stay because all your apps are there. I again I am on the minority on this, but I still think this rings true.

 

[jrswizzle]

I don't think it really has anything to do with differing philosophies and I've said this before. At the end of the day, Android can just do more. Whether it's their philosophy or not it's just the point blank truth.

Then you don't understand iOS.

What I want to know is, why do people get so butt hurt when you say this.

Because its nonsense and what is implied is that someone's choice/preferences in smartphone (and the activities they do) are trivial because the iPhone can't do any REAL tasks - whether you mean it that way or not.

To be honest, my one x+ feels like a mini laptop while my iphone 4 just feels like an overpriced mp4 player. It is what it is.

To be honest both my smartphones feel like smartphones. I'd hate to have to type long papers on either device and there is limited real estate - of course I could hook up a keyboard to either but as a device, my phone does what it does.

And both devices do the same tasks - your example of torrent streaming (ethics aside) doesn't prove anything - I can just as easily rent/buy and watch the same movie on my iPad and iPhone.

Like I've said before - the process in completing the action may differ - but generally speaking, you tell me an end result you want done and ill be able to do it on my iPhone.

Whether or not the way I do it is better or worse is completely up to preference. There are things I prefer on iOS and things I prefer on Android. For instance I had to switch to my iPhone to respond to you because selecting text on my N4 is about the most infuriating thing I've ever done...

Neither is perfect - both will continue to evolve - but the fallacy that iOS is some little kid OS while Android is superior perfection is complete horse-sh**. Can you really not see how such a comment might offend someone? Smartphones are relatively personal devices.....

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So this could answer part of our discussion.
http://m.gizmodo.com/5995260/the-only-thing-apple-really-sells

People buy into an ecosystem and the person writing this article is right Apple has the biggest one of all. Now I switch back and forth with no problems, but I think most people have bought into the thought that once you have gone with Apple you need to stay because all your apps are there. I again I am on the minority on this, but I still think this rings true.

You hit the nail on the head Bmac - there's more to a smartphone purchase than specs and "features".

 

[maxosx]

Now I switch back and forth with no problems, but I think most people have bought into the thought that once you have gone with Apple you need to stay because all your apps are there. I again I am on the minority on this, but I still think this rings true.

I don't let my relatively major investment in apps influence what I use.

In fact I've spent a lot on apps for both platforms. Not because I like to have lots of apps. To the contrary, it's not until I have purchased and used the app that I know whether it's a good one for my needs.

It's a fact of life whether you are talking about computer software applications, or smartphone apps. If one cannot afford to migrate at will, then perhaps it's another issue that is stopping them.

If I used the excuse "I've got too much invested in Windows Software to switch to a Mac" I would have cheated myself drastically.

If others are completely happy with the iPhone and how it serves them, then that is a valid and good reason not to switch to another platform. Just say so. Overcome the fear to be honest.

But to say "I don't switch because I have too much invested in apps" or words to that affect is a response that seems like a weak excuse to me.

Why not just admit you either cannot afford to switch, or don't really want to.

 

[bmac4]

Then you don't understand iOS.



Because its nonsense and what is implied is that someone's choice/preferences in smartphone (and the activities they do) are trivial because the iPhone can't do any REAL tasks - whether you mean it that way or not.



To be honest both my smartphones feel like smartphones. I'd hate to have to type long papers on either device and there is limited real estate - of course I could hook up a keyboard to either but as a device, my phone does what it does.

And both devices do the same tasks - your example of torrent streaming (ethics aside) doesn't prove anything - I can just as easily rent/buy and watch the same movie on my iPad and iPhone.

Like I've said before - the process in completing the action may differ - but generally speaking, you tell me an end result you want done and ill be able to do it on my iPhone.

Whether or not the way I do it is better or worse is completely up to preference. There are things I prefer on iOS and things I prefer on Android. For instance I had to switch to my iPhone to respond to you because selecting text on my N4 is about the most infuriating thing I've ever done...

Neither is perfect - both will continue to evolve - but the fallacy that iOS is some little kid OS while Android is superior perfection is complete horse-sh**. Can you really not see how such a comment might offend someone? Smartphones are relatively personal devices.....

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You hit the nail on the head Bmac - there's more to a smartphone purchase than specs and "features".

Me or you buy based on specs and features because we like technology. My mom and sister could careless. They want Apple because they have heard they have the most apps, and now that they are invested in iOS they will stay.

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I don't let my relatively major investment in apps influence what I use.

In fact I've spent a lot on apps for both platforms. Not because I like to have lots of apps. To the contrary, it's not until I have purchased and used the app that I know whether it's a good one for my needs.

It's a fact of life whether you are talking about computer software applications, or smartphone apps. If one cannot afford to migrate at will, then perhaps it's another issue that is stopping them.

If I used the excuse "I've got too much invested in Windows Software to switch to a Mac" I would have cheated myself drastically.

If others are completely happy with the iPhone and how it serves them, then that is a valid and good reason not to switch to another platform. Just say so. Overcome the fear to be honest.

But to say "I don't switch because I have too much invested in apps" or words to that affect is a response that seems like a weak excuse to me.

Why not just admit you either cannot afford to switch, or don't really want to.

Look at people that don't really care about technology. Someone that just wants a phone that can connect to the internet on the go and check email. They heard the iPhone was the best. They buy it and start to download apps. They are now invested in ios, and they want nothing to do with trying to worry about getting the apps on another OS. It would be more work then they want to put in.

 

[jrswizzle]

Me or you buy based on specs and features because we like technology. My mom and sister could careless. They want Apple because they have heard they have the most apps, and now that they are invested in iOS they will stay.

I actually don't buy based on specs or a feature list.

 

[bmac4]

I actually don't buy based on specs or a feature list.

Oh ok. Well I am not so invested in one that I cant switch when I want to. If a phone has poor specs I want buy it. That is not all that I base my decision on, but it can be a factor. The reason I got the nexus 4 was not based just on specs or features. I trust the nexus line of phones and it has only been good to me. I like android and this is the purest form of it. That is the main thing that I like about the phone is pure android. No carrier in the way to tell me I can't do this and that. So I guess android is what sold me. For you I would assume iOS is what you want, and the iPhone 5 offers the fastest experience of iOS. I don't buy because of am invested. I buy because of the OS, and well the phone has to run the OS well. That is were the specs come into play.

 

[jrswizzle]

Oh ok. Well I am not so invested in one that I cant switch when I want to. If a phone has poor specs I want buy it. That is not all that I base my decision on, but it can be a factor. The reason I got the nexus 4 was not based just on specs or features. I trust the nexus line of phones and it has only been good to me. I like android and this is the purest form of it. That is the main thing that I like about the phone is pure android. No carrier in the way to tell me I can't do this and that. So I guess android is what sold me. For you I would assume iOS is what you want, and the iPhone 5 offers the fastest experience of iOS. I don't buy because of am invested. I buy because of the OS, and well the phone has to run the OS well. That is were the specs come into play.

Oh sure, specs play a role - for me, any of the flagship phones can do everything I need to do and more. Other things like customer support, software updates/support, look and feel of the device, the quality of apps (and if they are available or not - in what form/version) and to be honest, how I feel about the company selling them all come into play.

Otherwise, I doubt I'd ever make a decision on one - they (flagships) are all great, fast with nice displays especially this year. Hard choices lie ahead!

 

[LIVEFRMNYC]

I actually don't buy based on specs or a feature list.

Then what do you buy for?

Design, screen size, reliability, functionality(besides features), etc?

 

[bmac4]

Oh sure, specs play a role - for me, any of the flagship phones can do everything I need to do and more. Other things like customer support, software updates/support, look and feel of the device, the quality of apps (and if they are available or not - in what form/version) and to be honest, how I feel about the company selling them all come into play.

Otherwise, I doubt I'd ever make a decision on one - they (flagships) are all great, fast with nice displays especially this year. Hard choices lie ahead!

I did a test today on my nexus 4's battery. I normally just keep WiFi on all the time because I can get it at my house and at work. Well I am going to lose about 2 hours being off the charger. Like I said yesterday I get about 15-16 hours battery life. Today it is looking more like 13-14.

 

[jrswizzle]

I did a test today on my nexus 4's battery. I normally just keep WiFi on all the time because I can get it at my house and at work. Well I am going to lose about 2 hours being off the charger. Like I said yesterday I get about 15-16 hours battery life. Today it is looking more like 13-14.

I will say - without JuiceDefender on, my battery is draining more quickly. Despite the assertion from another poster that I'm clueless, I do actually know a few things....

I don't have wifi here at work so my phone is always on the data network. JD continuously polls the network (off, then on) instead of leaving the connection on all the time. What it does is limits the amount of times my phone searches for a stronger signal (the signal isn't always that great here) while still allowing texts and emails to come through regularly.

A drawback is that, upon waking the device, it sometimes takes a few seconds to reconnect fully to the data network. Not really a huge deal for me.

Because of all this JD is a big battery saver when the phone is in standby mode - not really when its in use. It also turns my wifi on for me when I get home, and turns it off when I leave - something people use NFC tags for (which is why I brought it up in the first place in that NFC thread that derailed really quickly).

I haven't used my personal phone hardly at all today - I'm at 71% just from being in standby mode with everything (wifi, bluetooth, gps) off.

I was still about 80% by the time I got home yesterday which is another 5 hours from now.....

Also - not really noticeable increase in battery drain through the Android system (something people had reported happening with JD).

All-in-all, if you run stock, I'd recommend JuiceDefender Plus (the version I have).

EDIT: You get better battery life than I do because you are always on wifi.....much less standby drain when on wifi than on a data connection (which I am on at work).

 

[Essenar]

I actually don't buy based on specs or a feature list.

lol. You'd buy a bag of poop if it had the Apple logo on it and claim it's 100% better than Android's bag of oranges. "Oh but you can eat the oranges? I can eat poop too! Anything you can do with those oranges, I can do with this poop!"

There's a difference between blind loyalty and acknowledging glaring differences.

Widgets:
Can you check your news feeds on an iPhone? Yes. But I see mine as soon as I unlock my screen. Right there in my Pulse widget. Engadget's new reviews, the results of the UFC last weekend, did they catch the Boston criminal? All of it right on my screen on a widget. I just scroll left and right and quickly check through.
You have to click an icon. And your icon, if you're organized, is inside a folder. So for you it's: click, swipe, pin, swipe, click, click. (Reduced to 5 if your pulse is in a folder on your first screen, not likely)
For me it's: click, drag, pin and there it is.
But wait, right underneath my Pulse widget is my calendar. Oh I have an appointment in 30 minutes? What else do I have today? Just scroll and check.

For you, you have to exit out of the app and then go to your Calendar icon. Everything you need to do or view requires you to go back to the home screen. That home button is so necessary.

The best part is, I don't need notifications for my lock screen to be useful. My lockscreen has weather, my email and how far I am from home in both distance and time based on traffic conditions.

I loved my iPhone 5. It is, and I say this in 100% confidence, the BEST built phone in the market. Period. The brushed diamond-cut aluminum and thin bezel. It's a gorgeous phone and I was hard struck trying to justify getting rid of it. A lot of what it came down to was that, I was just proud to hand it to people when I wanted to get their number or email. It ALWAYS got complements. "Wow this is the iPhone 5? It's so _______." And the blank was ALWAYS quite a compliment, ranging from "pretty" to "slick" to "badass". But at the end of the day, my $200 Nexus 7 tablet made me more productive than my $650 smart phone.

So I got a Nexus 4 and now I'm at least 30-40% more productive with my phone.

(I'll die before I sell my iPad though)

 

[jrswizzle]

Then what do you buy for?

Design, screen size, reliability, functionality(besides features), etc?

I meant that to say I don't buy solely on specs - obviously I won't go out to get a 4 year old phone.

Frankly though, pretty much all the flagship devices of the major OEMs (Samsung, Apple, HTC, Sony, LG, hell even BB and Nokia) would do what I need them to do (specs wise).

For me customer service/support, software updates and support, overall ecosystem (how my smartphone interacts with my other devices), app quality, design of the hardware (the way it looks and feels) all play a role in my decision making.

I haven't come across a task yet that I couldn't complete using my iPhone - whether or not the method to complete certain tasks needs updating or improving however is an entirely different story. There are plenty of things that need updating/improving both in iOS and Android.

Using both simultaneously, I've grown to appreciate each for its strengths. Looking forward to trying out some of the skinned Android experiences - the HTC One will be my next upgrade and I'm looking at picking up a used GS3 either from my brother-in-law (who's eyeballing the GS4) or on eBay.